Tyre wear

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Adam205

818 posts

188 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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I got 11k out of the rear PS4s, 24k out of the front. Switched to PS5s and got 20k out of the first pair of rears. Now running the slightly bigger A110S size PS5s for a bit better pothole protection, will see how they last!

The PS5s are much better in the cold and damp and wear more evenly.

Pedronopolis

4 posts

11 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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@neil-g8km6 I'd be interested in purchasing said wheels. Are they the PE Fuchs with the black insets?

neil-g8km6

195 posts

29 months

Friday 17th November 2023
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Pedronopolis said:
@neil-g8km6 I'd be interested in purchasing said wheels. Are they the PE Fuchs with the black insets?
They certainly are, from my 2018 PE which I purchased in December 2021 with 2800 miles on the clock
https://flic.kr/p/2pgexoZ
https://flic.kr/p/2pgfJA3
https://flic.kr/p/2pga4y4
https://flic.kr/p/2pggVbM
I live in the Midlands.

Pedronopolis

4 posts

11 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Thanks Neil, I dropped you a PM

bcr5784

7,181 posts

151 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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If you can't come to an agreement on the wheels please pm me.

Martyn P

Original Poster:

167 posts

82 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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Have now changed fronts but stayed with the ps4 DT1 tyres.
The extra tread has given a better feel to the front end, particularly in the wet - maybe not so surprising.
Tyre pressures a couple of psi higher than minimum really helps with straight line stability and turn in.
Thanks for the feedback on choosing the correct tyre.


LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Wednesday 17th July
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I've just replaced the second rear tyre, having picked up a puncture on our road trip in May; car is just shy of 17000 miles.
Kwik Fit did a 'vehicle health check' and suggest that the fronts (2 years old, fitted in manufacture) are perished; I think the appearance is due to scrubbing, as (a) the rubber does not seem dry, (b) grip is unaffected, and (c) the age of the tyre makes this unlikely. Oh, and (d) only the outside edge of each tyre is affected.
What do you think? All opinions welcome!


Note that what appear to be splits in the surface of the tyre just behind the scuffed area is in fact the tread.

Edited by LE62NDE on Wednesday 17th July 15:05

s111dpc

1,403 posts

235 months

Wednesday 17th July
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Looks like normal ‘enthusiastic’ wear and tear to me.

LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Wednesday 17th July
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s111dpc said:
Looks like normal ‘enthusiastic’ wear and tear to me.
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Terminator X

16,171 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th July
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3mm left on my rears apparently after 4k miles!

TX.

Miserablegit

4,163 posts

115 months

Thursday 18th July
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LE62NDE said:
I've just replaced the second rear tyre, having picked up a puncture on our road trip in May; car is just shy of 17000 miles.
Kwik Fit did a 'vehicle health check' and suggest that the fronts (2 years old, fitted in manufacture) are perished; I think the appearance is due to scrubbing, as (a) the rubber does not seem dry, (b) grip is unaffected, and (c) the age of the tyre makes this unlikely. Oh, and (d) only the outside edge of each tyre is affected.
What do you think? All opinions welcome!


Note that what appear to be splits in the surface of the tyre just behind the scuffed area is in fact the tread.

Edited by LE62NDE on Wednesday 17th July 15:05
I had a battle with Michelin on my original set of tyres when that appeared albeit they had about 10k on them. They eventually relented and agreed to change the set after a 5 month battle. The problem has not reappeared on my further 2 sets of tyres and so I’d be taking it up with Michelin.

MichaelW25

3 posts

13 months

Thursday 18th July
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I had this cracking on my PS4s when I bought the car. Again I assume they had been on the car since I bought it. They still had loads of tread left but the steering didn't feel like it should to me.

I reluctantly changed them - hard to throw away tyres that still have loads of tread - but very glad I did because the car feels much better. I have much more confidence in it mainly as it felt quite "floaty". I'm amazed it made that much difference. I have changed from PS4 to PS5 so could be that but always found PS4 to be really good.

LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Thursday 18th July
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I have contacted Michelin, but won't hold my breath. The odd thing is that the cracked surface only occurs on the shoulder of the outside edge of the tyre and not across the whole tread, or on the inside shoulder. The tyre is date stamped 3921, so is about two and a half years old.

7en

281 posts

17 months

Thursday 18th July
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Terminator X said:
3mm left on my rears apparently after 4k miles!

TX.
I'm not sure whether to commiserate or congratulate.

Aladoro69

107 posts

63 months

Friday 19th July
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Michelin and in particular Pilot Sports seem to have a tendency to get the perished/cracked finish on the surface after about 2 years whether normal or hard use. I've had it on a few sets of PS2 on Clio 172 and 182 and now on PS4 on the PE
Worst thing had been MOT advisories but never issues with tyre performance

LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Friday 19th July
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Aladoro69 said:
Michelin and in particular Pilot Sports seem to have a tendency to get the perished/cracked finish on the surface after about 2 years whether normal or hard use. I've had it on a few sets of PS2 on Clio 172 and 182 and now on PS4 on the PE
Worst thing had been MOT advisories but never issues with tyre performance
I have heard back from Michelin; they have a procedure, which requires me to go to a Michelin dealer, who will assess the tyres and send an online report. However, Michelin say that Kwik-Fit will only do this if I buy tyres from them; whether the new rear tyre counts, I don't know and the person at the local branch didn't know of the process. Kwik-Fit UK aren't taking calls due to the computer outage today, but it appears that they are offering a service that they can't deliver. Why would I replace the tyres I have an issue with if Michelin are going to replace them? banghead

timbo999

1,338 posts

261 months

Friday 19th July
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Usual process is that you replace the suspect tyres and they get sent to the manufacturer (Pirelli for my MINI a few years ago) who assess them. If they are found to be faulty the manufacturer re-imburses you for the new ones.

Miserablegit

4,163 posts

115 months

Friday 19th July
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LE62NDE said:
I have heard back from Michelin; they have a procedure, which requires me to go to a Michelin dealer, who will assess the tyres and send an online report. However, Michelin say that Kwik-Fit will only do this if I buy tyres from them; whether the new rear tyre counts, I don't know and the person at the local branch didn't know of the process. Kwik-Fit UK aren't taking calls due to the computer outage today, but it appears that they are offering a service that they can't deliver. Why would I replace the tyres I have an issue with if Michelin are going to replace them? banghead
I’m having flashbacks….I remember it was an absolute nightmare and involved about 20 emails- and thoroughly st service from the local Michelin dealer. I had to escalate it to a complaint which resulted in Michelin sending 4 new tyres to the Michelin dealer which I collected and had fitted locally as I was damned if I was gong to give the lazy b at the local Michelin delaer any money. I then dropped the old tyres at the Michelin dealer.
It had been a farcical situation of the dealer not knowing the procedure, Michelin sending them details of the procedure, dealer still pleading ignorance or saying they were too busy to take a look (even when I’d booked an appointment for them to do just that). This happened about 3 times until even the French thought it had become too much of a farce and gave me new tyres.
I didn’t have to buy new tyres for this to happen.
Send a complaint- it does seem to get them moving albeit slowly.


LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Monday 22nd July
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Miserablegit said:
I’m having flashbacks….I remember it was an absolute nightmare and involved about 20 emails- and thoroughly st service from the local Michelin dealer. I had to escalate it to a complaint which resulted in Michelin sending 4 new tyres to the Michelin dealer which I collected and had fitted locally as I was damned if I was gong to give the lazy b at the local Michelin delaer any money. I then dropped the old tyres at the Michelin dealer.
It had been a farcical situation of the dealer not knowing the procedure, Michelin sending them details of the procedure, dealer still pleading ignorance or saying they were too busy to take a look (even when I’d booked an appointment for them to do just that). This happened about 3 times until even the French thought it had become too much of a farce and gave me new tyres.
I didn’t have to buy new tyres for this to happen.
Send a complaint- it does seem to get them moving albeit slowly.
It looks like a complaint may be easier! Michelin have confirmed that I have to buy two new tyres from Kwik-Fit and they will then send off the two suspect ones for assessment. I pointed out that were the tyres to be serviceable (which I believe they are), then this would not be an environmentally acceptable answer.
I can take the tyres to another Michelin dealer for assessment, but they are not obliged to undertake the assessment. ATS aren't answering the phone, National say no, Kwik-Fit is a blind alley. I really don't want to give such a clunky, unhelpful, un customer-centred procedure any more time by phoning tyre centres who have no interest in helping. rantingflames

LE62NDE

348 posts

26 months

Tuesday 6th August
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I am pleased to say that the process got easier! I was contacted by Lea from Michelin UK who offered to contact a local dealer who would undertake the assessment -in this case, ATS in Welwyn Garden City. When I phoned to book in they knew who I was, and were welcoming when I went, despite it being 5pm last Friday. Their technician said he thought the cracking was due to sun damage, which would explain why only the outside edges were affected.

I have just heard that Michelin accept the claim and will replace the tyres -this I'd despite them having 17k miles on them. They are contacting ATS for me, and I'm happy for them to have the work, the assessment being something of a loss-leader for the branch. Needless to say, I am very pleased with the outcome.