Alpine A110S vs GT/Base Models

Alpine A110S vs GT/Base Models

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tobi.mimoto

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Friday 14th July 2023
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Hi Everyone,

Brand new here as I've just ordered my Alpine, so very excited.

I was just wondering whether any of you had any thoughts on the comparison between the S and the other two base models (2022-on) - To give you some context, I have been wanting a modern A110 since it was first released, and saw multiple journalists and YouTubers comment on the suspension setup/ride quality of the S being inferior to the other models in their opinions. It wasn't until I test-drove the GT and the S back to back that I realised I actually disagree (on personal preference) and far prefer the setup of the S to the other two! It depends on your driving style and what you're using the car for, so there's an Alpine for everyone.

As for my personal impressions, the S definitely had a fruitier exhaust note, despite having presumably the same tune as the GT. This was further echoed by the dealer spokesperson who agreed that there's a marked difference in sound between the two. Primarily however, the S gave me a beaming smile on my face from start to finish, whereas the other two did less so. The S had little to no body roll, which I prefer, and feels a lot more agile, feeling like it's taking full advantage of the Alpine's incredible chassis and lightness. I felt more connected to the S. For me, the other two felt more sluggish and disconnected as a result of their more forgiving setups, and importantly, less dialed in. Now, of course, the trade-off is that the S does not soak up the British road quality as well as the other two models, however, I did not find the S uncomfortable as a result. I found that slight decrease in 'suppleness' to be an easy trade for the driving dynamics afforded by the S's tighter suspension setup. To me, the S's setup was not out of place on British roads, and in many areas excelled!

I will not be using the car on track, I am an avid British/European road-tripper and twisty road seeker, while also happily using the car as my daily driver. I would be interested to hear other Alpine owners/testers perspectives on the matter! Any thoughts, opinions, or observations are welcomed - as I know that the holistic driving experience is very subjective. smile

tobi.mimoto

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Hi John! Thank you - no, I was interested in people's experiences out of interest, I am going for a third set of test drives next month and so would be interesting to hear other perspectives before experiencing it first-hand myself once again. (Different lenses are useful!)

The car is on order but the spec isn't finalized (hence the final set of test drives), and I couldn't find any threads on specifically the suspension set-up comparison, particularly for the 2022 generation onwards.

tobi.mimoto

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Thanks for the input Simon - definitely a personal preference. You bring up a super interesting point about 'speed enjoyment', it's definitely a factor and probably the primary reason why your particular driving style dictates your suspension preference!

I believe the Life360 suspension upgrade is closer to S stiffness but without the anti-rollbars, so it makes perfect sense that it sits between the two setups as a 'middle' option.

tobi.mimoto

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Hi Keith,

Your answer is extremely helpful, thank you! You seem to have had the same experience as myself (except rather than just test drives, you've experienced this with extensive ownership!) Totally right, it is a pure preference thing.

Out of interest, what winter tires have you chosen? Do you have separate 'winter wheels'? Do you use Cup 2's in the summer or PS4's (or alt)?

P.S I don't believe it's your imagination, the S has a clearly different exhaust characteristic! Just not sure *Why*.

Tobi

tobi.mimoto

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I have heard of these! Though I don't have neither the spare cash nor the interest in tracking the car - looks like an quality experience for someone who is mind you

tobi.mimoto

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One thing I've never done is driven the S on PS's, only driven Cup 2's. Would you say there's a marked disadvantage to PS's? (I guess I'm asking, in your opinion, is it worth optioning the Cup 2's?)

tobi.mimoto

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Thank you for the 2 pence Hokum!

Very interesting and fully get you. You definitely can't extract as much potential from the S without getting to the sketchy speeds. So both your skill level and your confidence (or potentially stupidity) will influence the decision, as well as your preference for car capability vs lower speed enjoyment.

I will definitely be looking out for these differences at the next test drive so thank you greatly. Enjoy your R, now that's a track car!!

tobi.mimoto

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kdempsie said:
I’m afraid I’ll only know next week! The demo car I tried was also on Cup 2 tyres.

I suspect they add a lot to the experience and would be great on track. I’ll let you know when I get them (PS5) on and bedded in a bit.

Edited by kdempsie on Friday 14th July 20:42
Oooh well have fun! Yes I imagine so, tyres can have such a huge impact on the feel of a car (obviously), I'd like to go for PS5's because it's more affordable, but if the difference is night and day then I'll 100% commit to the Cup 2's.

I look forward to hearing how you find them!

tobi.mimoto

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For sure, I think if someone wanted to track the S they could have a lot of fun with it, but any track-day enthusiasts would want a lot more of a focused setup I imagine. Be interested to see how much fun the R is on track, it's 'home" enviroment.

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tobi.mimoto

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Rob_RCF said:
Welcome! I currently have a GT on order and recently went through the exact same dilemma as you - believe me, I was torn between the S and GT. I can give a bit more background about my test drives and experiences of the different cars if you like, but I will say straight off the bat that it was very close between the newest S and GT.

Here's my experience:

The first one I drove was the GT. I didn't even plan for it really, I just popped into the Winchester branch one (rainy) day to have a look at the cars and they ended up handing me the keys to their new demonstrator which was a GT. I loved it, it put a huge smile on my face, I was so impressed at how it put power down even in the wet and how well it rode over any surface at speed. The noise was great, the car felt light and agile. I didn't jump in to a purchase or anything, but it stuck with me and over the next few days I realised I had fallen for the car and really wanted one, it was just a case of which one.

I went back a week later and drove a base car, this didn't impress me as much, it didn't sound as good, it didn't accelerate with the same urgency, it was still fun and rode really well, but it felt a bit lacklustre. I knew I wanted the extra power that I'd experienced in the GT.

Next I visited another dealership to look at some other cars and drove the A110 S, but the older version with the 320Nm. I did not get on as well with this car, it felt so unsettled at speed over bumpy road and it made me feel nervous pushing it hard. The acceleration also didn't feel as forceful as I remembered from the GT. I came away understanding what the journalists meant that it was a great track car, but too firm for the road, especially compared to the base model. I jumped straight out of that S into another GT and had the same great experience all over again. The more urgent acceleration from the 340Nm engine was back and the car had no trouble driving at speed over the same bits of road that I had just driven the S down.

Now here's where it gets interesting, Alpine Winchester (where I first drove the GT) emails me, they have a new A110 S in and it's ready for test drives. I turned up and tried the car. It was the most compelling version of the S for sure, it felt planted but not too firm like the previous S I'd driven. Cornering on smooth roads was great, and the acceleration had the same urgency as the GT. I drove the GT and the S back to back a couple of times and I was a little bit stumped. The S was "better" as in more capable, but the GT still definitely felt a bit smoother and flowed down the road better. I also liked how the comfort seats seemed to get me that tiny bit lower, even lower than the buckets on their lowest bolt setting. But the S definitely looked better and I'd already been speccing out my car on the configurator with white paint and all the orange accents.

In the end I decided to go with the GT. The thing that won me over was the seats seeming to go just a touch lower (I'm 6'4 so every mm of headroom counts). I wanted to like the buckets more, but every time I got back into the comfort seats I had this feeling of "that's better". Height adjustable is good too, my partner likes her seat raised up and I certainly didn't want to be messing around with a torx every time I had different passengers in the car. The other main thing that won me over was just the fact that the GT seemed more driveable day to day. I would never be nervous about taking it out in the rain as I already knew it was great, I knew it would handle bumpy roads better and it didn't really feel like there was much penalty, for road driving it was more than capable.

I sometimes think about the S again or even the base car, which can be a bit anxiety-inducing when you've already passed the cut-off (and don't even get me started on choosing options). But, every time I always come back to the GT. I'm sure I've made the right choice. Other people will have different preferences. I can absolutely see why people would choose the base car, or the S just as much.

Tldr; GT has the wow factor acceleration combined with the soft chassis and put a smile on my face every time I drove it. It was also the most comfortable to me personally (because I'm tall). The newer S was great as well with just as good acceleration, but definitely felt more at home on smooth roads. The older S felt quite bad on bumpy roads and didn't have as urgent acceleration. The base model still felt quick, but lacked top-end power and I really noticed it when putting my foot down at higher speeds (like 4th gear). It did ride really well though and of course it's the best value.
Hi Rob, thank you so much for taking the time to share this, it was super helpful and insightful listening to your journey through the test drives. Interesting that the older S was inferior for you, I think the upgrade from the 'pre' to 'post' 2022 A110 has been greatly underestimated, at least from an outsider's point of view. It seemed the difference was just a new naming system and the infamous Carplay - in fact, I think the differences/refinement are quite major!

Your seat preference makes a lot of sense! I'm vertically challenged (5ft6) and slender/athletic in build, so the comfort seats were (ironically) uncomfortable for me, and the bucket seats were perfect for my size and build. People like you and myself (with our 'end of the spectrum' heights) probably have an easier time picking between the two seats, vs someone of average height and build who would probably fit both very comfortably. The buckets were wonderful for me, but I am very jealous of your adjustability/seat heating!! biggrin

As for my test drives, my two sessions of comparison so far (starting in a GT and moving to an S) have been largely measured through the subjective 'Smiles Per Gallon' unit. I will definitely keep your observations in mind for my test drives later this month. I'll be using this car as a daily driver as well, so I need to be sure that the S's 'dialed-in' nature isn't going to irritate me!

It's also worth noting that my previous cars have all been quite racey, with the most comfortable in recent years being a firm Golf GTI, so my preference was always likely to lean towards the S. This really shows that personal preference and driving taste is the biggest deciding factor, easily pushing us one way or the other.

From everything you've said, I'm absolutely certain you've made the right choices for yourself. There definitely isn't a wrong answer, but being safe in the knowledge that you "always come back to the GT"; well that's all the evidence you need, got to listen to those instincts. wink

When is your delivery date? Also, out of interest, how long before this date did you 'lock in' the spec?

All the best Rob, and congratulations on the new car!!

tobi.mimoto

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Sunday 16th July 2023
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Rob_RCF said:
Hi Tobi, I'm glad you found my write-up helpful! I completely agree about the difference with the newer cars being underestimated, even some of the sales guys at the Alpine dealerships have told me that "you can't feel the difference" between the GT and the base model. But in my experience the GT has significantly more shove and urgency in the way it accelerates, to the point where the torque and power figures don't seem to tell the whole story. And yes I do think the newer S has better suspension, although I drove the old S and the new S on different roads so take that for what it's worth.

The fixed buckets look great, I know they are a few KG lighter and I wanted them more, but after driving in them a few times I wasn't super convinced about how supportive they were. I felt there was not enough support around my hips and thighs and I wished the sides came up a bit higher so that I was sat in them rather than on them. The comfort seats I never really thought about, they just dissolved into the driving experience.

Yeah the S felt more "capable" than the GT as in faster in corners and more planted, but also more serious. The GT felt more playful and put a smile on my face more often. If you're doing more test drives I would encourage you to take the S down some bumpy B roads at speed and see how it feels. Then do the same with the GT. If that doesn't convince you then the S must be the one for you.

Like you I've have had some performance cars and the sales guy said the same thing that the S might suit me better. But it turned out it was kind of the other way around, since I'm used to driving a very fast and capable car which often feels too fast for the road, I wanted to move away from that. The GT felt the more suitable car given how fun it was at lower speeds, while still managing to have better acceleration than my RCF so I certainly don't feel like I'm losing out.

Yeah I'm sure I made the right choice for me, the GT seems like the more versatile car that you can have fun with on almost any road dry or wet. It's the first time I've bought a brand new car and the most expensive thing I've ever bought apart from my house, so I really wanted to get it right. When you do so many test drives and overthink something enough, you can end up more confused than when you started, but you eventually loop back around and realise that your initial instincts were generally correct and you suddenly feel comfortable with your decision. At least that's how it was for me, but I'm quite indecisive.

And thanks, my build got locked in at the end of May and I don't have a delivery date yet, just a "date range" from late August to mid September. Still seems like quite a long way off, but I have my RCF to enjoy so I can't complain too much. Congrats on yours as well, do you have an estimated delivery date? And how confident do you feel about your chosen build? I changed mine a few times.
For sure, being someone who favors the S, you can imagine how empty I felt driving the base model! The GT's definitely got the grunt and engine character to boot, so for me personally, it's always between the S and GT. Funny that Alpine dealers have been telling you that, mine have told me the opposite, which I think proves the point quite well: TEST DRIVE!! It's so subjective, and well worth collecting your own 'smiles per gallon' data. wink

I actually like the look of both seats! Comforts definitely suit the vibe of the GT more. Where the S is so 'planted'/'corner' focused, I feel the buckets are essential to get the most enjoyment out of it! (as mentioned previously on the forum, you have to be going a little faster in the S to extract maximum smiles per gallon, vs the GT and Base models that feel more playful at lower speeds.

100% a golden recommendation, I did actually do this (B-Road back-to-back test) last time and found the S's less forgiving suspension absolutely fine for me. I want to do exactly the same thing again and try and make sure my rose-tinted goggles are off.

Ahaa I can relate to you my friend, this is definitely more of a heart than head decision, and for sure the most expensive thing I've owned. I'll say again, from everything you've said, you've made the right decision for sure! Having 'fun' in a sports car is the most important factor to consider (highly dependent on personal preference), and you'll be able to extract a lot more fun and performance out of the GT in the wet where the S may be a bit unhinged. I tend to prefer an unhinged vehicle, which is probably a sign of my stupidity!! So I am still almost certain the S is the model variant for me, my taste and the style of driving I enjoy.

Delivery estimate is March-April 2024 (ish) I believe. Regarding my spec, I am very happy with it - I have spent more time on the configurator over the last 3 years than I have sleeping, so I've had a lot of thinking time! It was actually only recently that I truly 'fell in love' with a spec (thanks to an Atelier colour) and that's why I made the decision to get it ordered! The remainder of 'speccing' will be minor tweaking, removing unnecessary options, choosing tires and accessories. The test drives coming up will iron out a few decisions for me (microfibre or leather, mirror pack or no mirror pack, storage pack or no storage pack etc etc), but I also want to 'confirm' that the S is what I remember it to be. I will update this forum with my final subjective conclusion on the matter! biggrin

tobi.mimoto

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Rob_RCF said:
Ah yes the spec. Regarding the microfiber I went to look at some Porsches around the same time as I was looking at the A110 and most of them had the microfibre steering wheel specced. In the used cars they were horrible and felt so gross to touch. I'm of the opinion that though it may look and feel nice when new, it's not a material that ages well. Give me leather any day.

Sounds like you're pretty set on the S though. Good luck!
Very wise, I have been struggling to make my mind up in this regard, I will only make the decision for microfibre if I am confident I can look after the interior well enough to keep it looking smart. May see if there's a thread on this!

I'm mostly decided on the S as I said previously, however I wanted some other people's perspectives before my final test drive of the GT, to make sure my confirmation bias was balanced out with other lenses. 😉 (I was also just curious!)

This has all been extremely helpful, got to love this community!

tobi.mimoto

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kdempsie said:
I was pretty undecided on the microfiber interior, mostly for the reasons Rob mentions about the steering wheel. If it was possible I would have had microfiber seats and a leather dash and steering wheel.

I did want the seats though, so I do have the microfiber interior in mine. I bought a small brush to maintain the wheel and resolved to try and keep it regularly clean but also if that's a losing battle I will get it recovered at some point.


One thing about the wheel for me is that it's seems a bit more tiring to hold on to for a longer drives, I know that sounds odd but my hands have had more of a work out than with a leather wheel. I suspect the sweet spot for the wheel would be with competition gloves on - but I'm not going to do that on the road!
Thanks for the insight K - this is really interesting. Importantly, how long have you owned the car so far? (i.e: how long have you been adding wear to your microfibre interior!) Also, what is this brush? I have been made aware of microfibre cleaning sprays, but not of a brush? Also (one more question), when you say recovered, what do you mean specifically? Is there a service to refurbish, or do you mean re-trimming?

Very interesting about the steering wheel, and I can totally see that. Much like the 'S or GT' argument, I think it comes down to how much comfort you're willing to sacrifice for performance or driving feel benefits. I will definitely take note of your 'longer drives' observation for my next test day, do you know roughly how long it takes before you start noticing the extra fatigue?

Sorry to throw a bunch of questions at you, it's an option that's causing me the most amount of speculation at the moment. I think it adds so much to the 'feel' of the interior (like the centre console), but I'm concerned about practicality and maintenance for sure. Once again, I don't think there's a wrong answer! smile


tobi.mimoto

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Wednesday 19th July 2023
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Both good shouts! - Thanks for the links/recommendations, I'll keep these in mind. The steering wheel I'm not too worried about (as I'm aware of the ease of retrimming), it's the center console/dashboard/seating that's more of a concern.

Conflict of interest: I'm a massive fan of the microfibre but want to know that I can maintain it to some degree.

tobi.mimoto

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Oh! Thank you for the heads up Simon - wasn't aware!

Will be making a final model decision mid-august after final test drives! 👌

tobi.mimoto

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Friday 21st July 2023
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Whaleblue said:
It will depend on how your dealer does things. Mine had(s) multiple future orders placed that customers could pick up and reconfigure as required. The cut-off for being able to reconfigure a particular build slot is not entirely predictable, and my first config became locked-in unexpectedly early. I was about to make some changes, so my dealer (Martins Winchester) gave me a later build slot, and took the car I’d originally specced as stock.

In short if you’re thinking about making changes I’d do so as soon as is possible, and/or check with your dealer what the lay of the land is.
Thanks Whaleblue! Good advice, will definitely clarify this.

tobi.mimoto

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Thursday 27th July 2023
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Hi! I love the dichotomy!! What a superb selection, and I totally agree with you. biggrin

tobi.mimoto

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Thursday 27th July 2023
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Lovely spec Tim! Thank you for the info and experience story - Life110 is definitely a consideration if I wasn't going for an S for sure!

Glad you've fallen for your car, enjoy many smiles and miles to come smile

tobi.mimoto

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Friday 28th July 2023
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I've dealt with similar dilemmas! Let us know your thoughts once you've done the test drives, I would highly recommend giving the GT a go. It has more power, yes, but I would say that it doesn't prevent you enjoying the drive at lower speeds, the chassis/suspension setup of the GT and Base models are what make them feel more engaging at lower speeds.

From my perspective, the S needs to be driven with more 'beans' to extract the feeling of 'speed' out of it. However, I have a preference for a tighter car feel, and so also appreciate the feel of the S at lower speeds. The reason I suggest trying the GT is purely due to the extra character you get from the engine that you may not get in the base. For you, I'd make sure to test-drive all three!!

Hope you enjoy biggrin