Porsche Taycan and future Porsche EVs and values
Discussion
Discombobulate said:
Our local dealer has sold at least 4 Taycans that I know of in the last 3 weeks, and prices are starting to firm.
Similar story here, I’ve been thinking about trading my 4S for a GTS and had a chat thinking that there might be some serious discounts, but not to be. My 4 is a high spec and I just can’t justify the move, in the end I’m not too bothered, it’s a great car, just wish I could squeeze a few more miles out of it in this cold weather. Blue62 said:
Discombobulate said:
Our local dealer has sold at least 4 Taycans that I know of in the last 3 weeks, and prices are starting to firm.
Similar story here, I’ve been thinking about trading my 4S for a GTS and had a chat thinking that there might be some serious discounts, but not to be. My 4 is a high spec and I just can’t justify the move, in the end I’m not too bothered, it’s a great car, just wish I could squeeze a few more miles out of it in this cold weather. 
garystoybox said:
No it’s not, it’s subsidised at 30p for the first 3 years. You see it invoiced at the end of each month against the credit card you give when you set up your Porsche account.
I thought it was to good to be true and apologies if I misled anyone.I only used it for the first time on Thursday and I can see from the app what I've been charged, which is still a good rate.
I'm still getting used to this EV charging lark.
It looks like it's going to be very important to maintain the Porsche extended warranty on Tacans ... in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...
By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
Ballistic said:
II bought a used Taycan Turbo S ST at the beginning of the year.
If your going to get a Taycan, my recommendation is get one with the 93.4kWh battery and 150kW DC-DC converter. This will give you access to high speed public charging.
I was able to charge at 240kWh with Ionity yesterday for free with my Porsche charge card and managed 210 miles on a full charge and it was below freezing all day.
I do similar miles to you and have to rely on public charging, which is getting better, for the longer trips, although 2 out of the 6 Ionity high speed chargers that I used yesterday were out of action for whatever reason.
The 150kW DC converter is not required for high speed charging at Ionity etc, you will still get up to the full 270kw with the standard 50kw. The 150kw upgrade only applies for 400v charger like Tesla.If your going to get a Taycan, my recommendation is get one with the 93.4kWh battery and 150kW DC-DC converter. This will give you access to high speed public charging.
I was able to charge at 240kWh with Ionity yesterday for free with my Porsche charge card and managed 210 miles on a full charge and it was below freezing all day.
I do similar miles to you and have to rely on public charging, which is getting better, for the longer trips, although 2 out of the 6 Ionity high speed chargers that I used yesterday were out of action for whatever reason.
ChrisW. said:
It looks like it's going to be very important to maintain the Porsche extended warranty on Tacans ... in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...
By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
I struggle to believe those figures from Which. Complete batteries? Or module replacement? The percentage seems very high even for the latter. By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
Do you have a link please?
Discombobulate said:
ChrisW. said:
It looks like it's going to be very important to maintain the Porsche extended warranty on Tacans ... in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...
By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
I struggle to believe those figures from Which. Complete batteries? Or module replacement? The percentage seems very high even for the latter. By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
Do you have a link please?
I’d be far more worried about a hybrid’s warranty.
Discombobulate said:
ChrisW. said:
It looks like it's going to be very important to maintain the Porsche extended warranty on Tacans ... in the latest analysis of reliability by Which? 28% of Audi e-tron owners had to have their complete batteries replaced during their ownership ...
By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
I struggle to believe those figures from Which. Complete batteries? Or module replacement? The percentage seems very high even for the latter. By comparison, Kia failures were almost zero, and the replacements for all during ownership were 6% ... Tesla being 17% of Model S and 37% of Model X.
Might it be that fast charge and very fast discharge is a contributing factor ?
Do you have a link please?
Page 6 of the latest Which? Car review 2024
ChrisW. said:
Page 6 of the latest Which? Car review 2024
It’s a survey of 50,000 people. You’d need EVangelist sized blinkers on to ignore that. But yes, it’s an EV, the motoring holy grail, couldn’t possibly be a major design flaw, must only be four people. 
The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
ChrisW. said:
Page 6 of the latest Which? Car review 2024
Maybe these are new packs, maybe remanufactured ones? I’d guess that long term pack swaps will be for remanufactured units rather than new.
Out of warranty over time specialists will pop up that can do individual module replacements and eventually cell replacements. There is a small but growing industry for Tesla’s doing this already.
Sorry, this is a review of car owners who care to tell Which? how please they are with their cars.
Many had almost no faults ... see Kia ... I stick to my numbers.
What I would accept is that people with a problem are more likely to respond to a consumer survey than those who have had no problems ... though I did and we have had no problems other than the 12v battery on our Kia.
I have also been told of faulty Taycan batteries stacked up at OPC's ... would anybody hazard a guess at the potential fire risk in that ? Imagine if a faulty one of them set-off the others ?
Many had almost no faults ... see Kia ... I stick to my numbers.
What I would accept is that people with a problem are more likely to respond to a consumer survey than those who have had no problems ... though I did and we have had no problems other than the 12v battery on our Kia.
I have also been told of faulty Taycan batteries stacked up at OPC's ... would anybody hazard a guess at the potential fire risk in that ? Imagine if a faulty one of them set-off the others ?
If I had an almost new car with a significant battery fault, I would ask for a new battery which, to be fair, is what Porsche did with the 991 GT3 engines before the re-manufacturing option was available.
I also agree that it is essential that battery patches are available ... accepting that as batteries age just installing a new group of cells may not be a complete repair ... depending upon how the cell charge and discharge is managed.
Where are the manufacturers advising consumers how the most expensive part of their car is going to be managed as the car ages beyond the warranty period (which I believe is around 70% of the original capacity at 8 years ?).
I also agree that it is essential that battery patches are available ... accepting that as batteries age just installing a new group of cells may not be a complete repair ... depending upon how the cell charge and discharge is managed.
Where are the manufacturers advising consumers how the most expensive part of their car is going to be managed as the car ages beyond the warranty period (which I believe is around 70% of the original capacity at 8 years ?).
stanlow45 said:
It’s a survey of 50,000 people. You’d need EVangelist sized blinkers on to ignore that. But yes, it’s an EV, the motoring holy grail, couldn’t possibly be a major design flaw, must only be four people.
The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
Erm. The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
1. I am not an EV evangelist but I do drive one, as well as a 911 and a 2CV
2. As I wrote, I could not see any mention of sample numbers
3. How many of the sample were the Audi e-trons mentioned in the original post?
4. I am a scientist and well aware of what can be extrapolated from what, and you can't conclude from this survey, as original post did, that 28% of Audi E-tron owners have had to have their complete battery replaced. As above, I would be surprised if it was 2.8%.
Edited to add: actually it's not worth arguing about. Let's agree to disagree.
Edited by Discombobulate on Saturday 20th January 15:57
Discombobulate said:
stanlow45 said:
It’s a survey of 50,000 people. You’d need EVangelist sized blinkers on to ignore that. But yes, it’s an EV, the motoring holy grail, couldn’t possibly be a major design flaw, must only be four people.
The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
Erm. The speed with which EVangelists try to dismiss leading UK consumer surveys is quite incredible.
1. I am not an EV evangelist but I do drive one, as well as a 911 and a 2CV
2. As I wrote, I could not see any mention of sample numbers
3. How many of the sample were the Audi e-trons mentioned in the original post?
4. I am a scientist and well aware of what can be extrapolated from what, and you can't conclude from this survey, as original post did, that 28% of Audi E-tron owners have had to have their complete battery replaced. As above, I would be surprised if it was 2.8%.
Edited to add: actually it's not worth arguing about. Let's agree to disagree.
Edited by Discombobulate on Saturday 20th January 15:57
As an aside, it appears that 75% of Alpine 110 owners have had trouble with their cars, now that must be a small sample ...
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