Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
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Start and finish.
So factor this is on a Turbo S.
Had both front cooling seats on full, air con running at 15 to 18 degrees, sat nav and burmeister running.
Made no attempt to hypermile and drove it at same pace I’d drive my ICE which usually involves overtaking just about everyone at a perfectly legal cruising speed officer.
Have done the same journey in my Alfa and it managed 180-190 miles range on a tank of super unleaded which would cost more than even public charging at this price. According to Porsche I only really needed to stop 6 mins to get home with 25 percent charge so home charging cost and minimal public charge could have probably done in for less than 20 quid all in.
So factor this is on a Turbo S.
Had both front cooling seats on full, air con running at 15 to 18 degrees, sat nav and burmeister running.
Made no attempt to hypermile and drove it at same pace I’d drive my ICE which usually involves overtaking just about everyone at a perfectly legal cruising speed officer.
Have done the same journey in my Alfa and it managed 180-190 miles range on a tank of super unleaded which would cost more than even public charging at this price. According to Porsche I only really needed to stop 6 mins to get home with 25 percent charge so home charging cost and minimal public charge could have probably done in for less than 20 quid all in.
Mobile charger connect on a 3 pin drawing 10 amps.
Delivering 2kwh so not the fastest thing in the world but I arrived back at 4pm and it’s going to be fully charged by 11am estimate at 2kwh.
Wanted to test this as worse case scenario if I’m at a Airbnb or friends and need to overnight slow charge it.
Certainly a very useful thing to have in the frunk
Delivering 2kwh so not the fastest thing in the world but I arrived back at 4pm and it’s going to be fully charged by 11am estimate at 2kwh.
Wanted to test this as worse case scenario if I’m at a Airbnb or friends and need to overnight slow charge it.
Certainly a very useful thing to have in the frunk
Charge speed, even on cars with the stock, standard on board system, is impressive on fast chargers, like the ones at most OPCs. Charging in mid range of battery (i.e. above and below 50%) is IME often over 50kW. Obviously slows as you head up to 100% charged, but it's still at a fair lick even then.
As for the 'Pendolino cruising' comparison, yes, it is something I have perceived also.
As for the 'Pendolino cruising' comparison, yes, it is something I have perceived also.
theboss said:
FFS
I keep thinking I *need* something bigger than a CT
(3 year old + baby on the way + older teenagers some of the time)
It's so tempting to just get one of these for fun.
I really dont think you need something bigger, my best friend has 3 under 10's and a labrador and is confident he can pack the lot in with a roof box for luggage and a bike carrier on the back to take their 3 bikes.I keep thinking I *need* something bigger than a CT
(3 year old + baby on the way + older teenagers some of the time)
It's so tempting to just get one of these for fun.
He is 6 foot and said he'd be quite comfortable in the back on a run down to the Alps.
Given my uncle had a Ford Cortina estate which was smaller and he managed to pack him, my aunt, my mum, me and my sister and a weeks worth of supplies and luggage on our Cornwall trips I'm pretty sure we all managed perfectly well before the era of monster SUVs.
Also an excuse to persuade your wife you need a Porsche Recaro pram
In your position I'd get the taycan for general duties and pick up a cheap Eapace family bus for when teenagers stop sulking in their rooms on Facetok.
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on Friday 4th August 15:31
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on Friday 4th August 15:33
MisterBigglesworth said:
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Given my uncle had a Ford Cortina estate which was smaller and he managed to pack him, my aunt, my mum, me and my sister and a weeks worth of supplies and luggage on our Cornwall trips I'm pretty sure we all managed perfectly well before the era of monster SUVs.
A mkII Cortina had 70 cubic feet of boot capacity (seats down). A Taycan has 45....they're both roughly similar seats up IF you include the frunk on the Taycan.Given my uncle had a Ford Cortina estate which was smaller and he managed to pack him, my aunt, my mum, me and my sister and a weeks worth of supplies and luggage on our Cornwall trips I'm pretty sure we all managed perfectly well before the era of monster SUVs.
MisterBigglesworth said:
I really dont think you need something bigger, my best friend has 3 under 10's and a labrador and is confident he can pack the lot in with a roof box for luggage and a bike carrier on the back to take their 3 bikes.
He is 6 foot and said he'd be quite comfortable in the back on a run down to the Alps.
Given my uncle had a Ford Cortina estate which was smaller and he managed to pack him, my aunt, my mum, me and my sister and a weeks worth of supplies and luggage on our Cornwall trips I'm pretty sure we all managed perfectly well before the era of monster SUVs.
Also an excuse to persuade your wife you need a Porsche Recaro pram
In your position I'd get the taycan for general duties and pick up a cheap Eapace family bus for when teenagers stop sulking in their rooms on Facetok.
It's not just the full fat TS either (although I keep gravitating back to them), there's plenty of 4 and 4S CT's starting from £70k which seems like a hell of a lot of comfortable, stylish EV family estate for the money and not too shabby on performance either. Could *almost* justify getting one for the wife who now needs a bigger car than a Mini, and still leaving justification to get a bigger car separately.He is 6 foot and said he'd be quite comfortable in the back on a run down to the Alps.
Given my uncle had a Ford Cortina estate which was smaller and he managed to pack him, my aunt, my mum, me and my sister and a weeks worth of supplies and luggage on our Cornwall trips I'm pretty sure we all managed perfectly well before the era of monster SUVs.
Also an excuse to persuade your wife you need a Porsche Recaro pram
In your position I'd get the taycan for general duties and pick up a cheap Eapace family bus for when teenagers stop sulking in their rooms on Facetok.
Very interesting propositions now they've suddenly gone from mega long waiting lists and no discounts whatsoever to readily available and losing a packet from list quickly.
MisterBigglesworth said:
Mobile charger connect on a 3 pin drawing 10 amps.
Delivering 2kwh so not the fastest thing in the world but I arrived back at 4pm and it’s going to be fully charged by 11am estimate at 2kwh.
Wanted to test this as worse case scenario if I’m at a Airbnb or friends and need to overnight slow charge it.
Certainly a very useful thing to have in the frunk
I have a trip in a few weeks and want to use this at the airbnb Delivering 2kwh so not the fastest thing in the world but I arrived back at 4pm and it’s going to be fully charged by 11am estimate at 2kwh.
Wanted to test this as worse case scenario if I’m at a Airbnb or friends and need to overnight slow charge it.
Certainly a very useful thing to have in the frunk
however, I'm only getting 1.3kw/h out of it. It says 50%. Also, think it's an earlier model as it looks a bit different to your one.Anyone have any ideas why it's not doing 100%?
Just got this from my OPC....
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
JJMatrixx said:
Just got this from my OPC....
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
I'm surprised that people are shocked by the depreciation."With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
This is not a car, it's a piece of tech. And tech has terrible residual value once it is obsolete.
DMC2 said:
JJMatrixx said:
Just got this from my OPC....
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
I'm surprised that people are shocked by the depreciation."With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
This is not a car, it's a piece of tech. And tech has terrible residual value once it is obsolete.
Most of these are (sensibly) bought as a good benefit in kind perk. In order to get full write-downs, they currently need to be bought new, no used. The numbers of private buyers with sufficiently deep pockets, who are not also powerfully built (gender non specific) company directors are few.
What these pan out to be longer term is another matter I guess. At least, bought through a business, any depreciation realised is deductible against corporation tax.
Digga said:
DMC2 said:
JJMatrixx said:
Just got this from my OPC....
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
I'm surprised that people are shocked by the depreciation."With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
This is not a car, it's a piece of tech. And tech has terrible residual value once it is obsolete.
Most of these are (sensibly) bought as a good benefit in kind perk. In order to get full write-downs, they currently need to be bought new, no used. The numbers of private buyers with sufficiently deep pockets, who are not also powerfully built (gender non specific) company directors are few.
What these pan out to be longer term is another matter I guess. At least, bought through a business, any depreciation realised is deductible against corporation tax.
JJMatrixx said:
Fortunately my lease is going to cost me £15k after the tax saving for the 2 years. Can someone work me through the numbers if I was to have bought the car for £98k and sold it for £63k with all the CT tax and deferred tax charge implications?
Your accountant (In all seriousness, it will depend on other aspects to do with your business).
JJMatrixx said:
Fortunately my lease is going to cost me £15k after the tax saving for the 2 years. Can someone work me through the numbers if I was to have bought the car for £98k and sold it for £63k with all the CT tax and deferred tax charge implications?
I’m pretty sure you need to own the car rather than lease it to make CT savingsJJMatrixx said:
Just got this from my OPC....
"With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
Not really that big a deal. My June 22 4S would be thousands more now due to price increases and the interest over 3-4 years would be c£12-15k more. So still historically very expensive to buy compared to what it would have cost just over a year ago. In reality it’s just an couple of percentage interest rate reduction to shift the metal. Manufacturers (including Porsche) have been doing this for years; just not since Covid. "With every finance package on a new Taycan, we will give a £5,000 retailer deposit contribution. Take a look at the finance example below."
The arse appears to be falling out the market on these, as this was a far cry off a year ago. Absolutely unheard of.
DMC2 said:
JJMatrixx said:
Fortunately my lease is going to cost me £15k after the tax saving for the 2 years. Can someone work me through the numbers if I was to have bought the car for £98k and sold it for £63k with all the CT tax and deferred tax charge implications?
I’m pretty sure you need to own the car rather than lease it to make CT savingsIf you buy then writedwons apply:
https://www.gov.uk/capital-allowances/business-car...
DMC2 said:
I’m pretty sure you need to own the car rather than lease it to make CT savings
Yeah, that's what I mean. I lease but have I'd like to understand the true cost if bought when rolling in the CT savings etc. My guess would be that given the depreciation cost it must surely be significantly more expensive than the effective lease cost.JJMatrixx said:
DMC2 said:
I’m pretty sure you need to own the car rather than lease it to make CT savings
Yeah, that's what I mean. I lease but have I'd like to understand the true cost if bought when rolling in the CT savings etc. My guess would be that given the depreciation cost it must surely be significantly more expensive than the effective lease cost.Gassing Station | Porsche EVs | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff