Porsche Taycan and future Porsche EVs and values

[kmpowell]

AMVSVNick said:

Folks,

I've decided to take the plunge. To save me trawling through every thread can someone briefly list the "must have" options. To be clear the car will do circa 25k miles per annum and I'll keep it at least 6 years so resale is not a consideration.

Cheers,

Nick

Depending on the model and/or bodystyle you want, will depend what's standard, but IMO the following for a car doing that kind of milage are the must-haves:

- Performance battery plus (for the range)
- Air suspension (option on base model, standard on the rest)
- 20" Wheels (not 21's as they hammer range by 5-10%)
- 4+1 seating
- Adaptive Cruise (makes motorway/long-range driving so much more relaxing)
- Surround view (it's a big car, so parking is tricky)
- Driver Memory package
- Ambient lighting
- Lane change assist (for the motorway driving becasue you are sat quite low down)
- Panoramic roof ( it's a long car so can feel claustrophobic)
- Full leather interior (to eliminate the acres of nasty cheap plastic on the dash and centre tunnel).)
- Electric Charging cover (not necessarily a must-have, but the button on the inside of teh car allows you to open it when the cars dirty without getting dirty fingers/hands)
- Auto-dimming mirrors (for night-time motorway driving)
- Electric Sport sound (it[s a quite a soulless driving experience without it, but it can be tuned off when you want complete peace & quiet)
- Sport Chrono (to switch between 'range' 'normal' and other modes, easily, using a jog dial on the steering wheel)
- Matrix headlights (as it says on the tin)
- BOSE or Burmester (the standard system is ste so if you do long journeys and like your music, this is a must)
- 150kw DC-DC converter (an absolute must if you want to use rapid chargers on the go as they differ (some are 400v))
- 22kW on-board AC charger (if you plan to charge at the office)

HTH

[AMVSVNick]

kmpowell said:

AMVSVNick said:

Folks,

I've decided to take the plunge. To save me trawling through every thread can someone briefly list the "must have" options. To be clear the car will do circa 25k miles per annum and I'll keep it at least 6 years so resale is not a consideration.

Cheers,

Nick

Depending on the model and/or bodystyle you want, will depend what's standard, but IMO the following for a car doing that kind of milage are the must-haves:

- Performance battery plus (for the range)
- Air suspension (option on base model, standard on the rest)
- 20" Wheels (not 21's as they hammer range by 5-10%)
- 4+1 seating
- Adaptive Cruise (makes motorway/long-range driving so much more relaxing)
- Surround view (it's a big car, so parking is tricky)
- Driver Memory package
- Ambient lighting
- Lane change assist (for the motorway driving becasue you are sat quite low down)
- Panoramic roof ( it's a long car so can feel claustrophobic)
- Full leather interior (to eliminate the acres of nasty cheap plastic on the dash and centre tunnel).)
- Electric Charging cover (not necessarily a must-have, but the button on the inside of teh car allows you to open it when the cars dirty without getting dirty fingers/hands)
- Auto-dimming mirrors (for night-time motorway driving)
- Electric Sport sound (it[s a quite a soulless driving experience without it, but it can be tuned off when you want complete peace & quiet)
- Sport Chrono (to switch between 'range' 'normal' and other modes, easily, using a jog dial on the steering wheel)
- Matrix headlights (as it says on the tin)
- BOSE or Burmester (the standard system is ste so if you do long journeys and like your music, this is a must)
- 150kw DC-DC converter (an absolute must if you want to use rapid chargers on the go as they differ (some are 400v))
- 22kW on-board AC charger (if you plan to charge at the office)

HTH

I’m a muppet. It will be a GTS Sport Turismo

And 99% of charging will be at home on a 3 phase system

Edited by AMVSVNick on Saturday 27th January 12:17

[kmpowell]

AMVSVNick said:

kmpowell said:

AMVSVNick said:

Folks,

I've decided to take the plunge. To save me trawling through every thread can someone briefly list the "must have" options. To be clear the car will do circa 25k miles per annum and I'll keep it at least 6 years so resale is not a consideration.

Cheers,

Nick

Depending on the model and/or bodystyle you want, will depend what's standard, but IMO the following for a car doing that kind of milage are the must-haves:

- Performance battery plus (for the range)
- Air suspension (option on base model, standard on the rest)
- 20" Wheels (not 21's as they hammer range by 5-10%)
- 4+1 seating
- Adaptive Cruise (makes motorway/long-range driving so much more relaxing)
- Surround view (it's a big car, so parking is tricky)
- Driver Memory package
- Ambient lighting
- Lane change assist (for the motorway driving becasue you are sat quite low down)
- Panoramic roof ( it's a long car so can feel claustrophobic)
- Full leather interior (to eliminate the acres of nasty cheap plastic on the dash and centre tunnel).)
- Electric Charging cover (not necessarily a must-have, but the button on the inside of teh car allows you to open it when the cars dirty without getting dirty fingers/hands)
- Auto-dimming mirrors (for night-time motorway driving)
- Electric Sport sound (it[s a quite a soulless driving experience without it, but it can be tuned off when you want complete peace & quiet)
- Sport Chrono (to switch between 'range' 'normal' and other modes, easily, using a jog dial on the steering wheel)
- Matrix headlights (as it says on the tin)
- BOSE or Burmester (the standard system is ste so if you do long journeys and like your music, this is a must)
- 150kw DC-DC converter (an absolute must if you want to use rapid chargers on the go as they differ (some are 400v))
- 22kW on-board AC charger (if you plan to charge at the office)

HTH

I’m a muppet. It will be a GTS Sport Turismo

Ok from that list then I’ve removed the GTS standard kit and left the options…

- Standard 20" Wheels (not optional 21's as they hammer range by 5-10%)
- 4+1 seating
- Adaptive Cruise (makes motorway/long-range driving so much more relaxing)
- Surround view (it's a big car, so parking is tricky)
- Ambient lighting
- Lane change assist (for the motorway driving becasue you are sat quite low down)
- Panoramic roof ( it's a long car so can feel claustrophobic)
- Electric Charging cover (not necessarily a must-have, but the button on the inside of teh car allows you to open it when the cars dirty without getting dirty fingers/hands)
- Auto-dimming mirrors (for night-time motorway driving)
- BOSE or Burmester (the standard system is ste so if you do long journeys and like your music, this is a must)
- 150kw DC-DC converter (an absolute must if you want to use rapid chargers on the go as they differ (some are 400v))
- 22kW on-board AC charger (if you plan to charge at the office)

[AMVSVNick]

kmpowell said:

Ok from that list then I’ve removed the GTS standard kit and left the options…

- Standard 20" Wheels (not optional 21's as they hammer range by 5-10%)
- 4+1 seating
- Adaptive Cruise (makes motorway/long-range driving so much more relaxing)
- Surround view (it's a big car, so parking is tricky)
- Ambient lighting
- Lane change assist (for the motorway driving becasue you are sat quite low down)
- Panoramic roof ( it's a long car so can feel claustrophobic)
- Electric Charging cover (not necessarily a must-have, but the button on the inside of teh car allows you to open it when the cars dirty without getting dirty fingers/hands)
- Auto-dimming mirrors (for night-time motorway driving)
- BOSE or Burmester (the standard system is ste so if you do long journeys and like your music, this is a must)
- 150kw DC-DC converter (an absolute must if you want to use rapid chargers on the go as they differ (some are 400v))
- 22kW on-board AC charger (if you plan to charge at the office)

Cheers matey, extremely useful.

Been shopping and will have to wait until Monday to see if a deal can be done.

The huge December discounts have disappeared so I'm relying on an ex demo to my spec.

[AMVSVNick]

Last question, I promise.

As mentioned previously, I have 3 phase at home.

Very few cars are specced with 22kw on board charger. So, how long will it take to fully charge the car at home from near empty?

Cheers,

Nick

[red_duke]

AMVSVNick said:

Last question, I promise.

Very few cars are specced with 22kw on board charger. So, how long will it take to fully charge the car at home from near empty?

10% to 100% on my Zappi 7.6kW charger takes 11 hours.

[kmpowell]

AMVSVNick said:

As mentioned previously, I have 3 phase at home. Very few cars are specced with 22kw on board charger. So, how long will it take to fully charge the car at home from near empty?

If you have 3 phase at home, but don't have the optional 22kW on-board the Taycan, then it's 11kW max.

[AMVSVNick]

red_duke said:

AMVSVNick said:

Last question, I promise.

Very few cars are specced with 22kw on board charger. So, how long will it take to fully charge the car at home from near empty?

10% to 100% on my Zappi 7.6kW charger takes 11 hours.

Thank you.

I assume there is no way of upgrading a car to 22kw?

Another question I know

[red_duke]

AMVSVNick said:

I assume there is no way of upgrading a car to 22kw?

You can retrofit the 3-phase charger but it’s not considered ‘cost effective’ to do so. This is the workshop procedure which takes 6.4 hours.

[AMVSVNick]

red_duke said:

AMVSVNick said:

I assume there is no way of upgrading a car to 22kw?

You can retrofit the 3-phase charger but it’s not considered ‘cost effective’ to do so. This is the workshop procedure which takes 6.4 hours.

Brilliant, thank you.

Given my mileage and the time I expect to keep it may well be worthwhile

[red_duke]

The charger itself is £3,530.56 incl VAT by the way and looks like this …

[AMVSVNick]

red_duke said:

The charger itself is £3,530.56 incl VAT by the way and looks like this …

Thank you. Good to know it’s doable.

[Frankychops]

AMVSVNick said:

Folks,

I've decided to take the plunge. To save me trawling through every thread can someone briefly list the "must have" options. To be clear the car will do circa 25k miles per annum and I'll keep it at least 6 years so resale is not a consideration.

Cheers,

Nick

a used one since they've tanked in value would be the most sensible, 50ish K. worth noting that at our work its been a challenge to get one of them to do 25k in a year. its been spread between the 2 cars and the varous hire cars that the workshop gives.

[AMVSVNick]

Frankychops said:

a used one since they've tanked in value would be the most sensible, 50ish K. worth noting that at our work its been a challenge to get one of them to do 25k in a year. its been spread between the 2 cars and the varous hire cars that the workshop gives.

As in reliability?

[PinkHouse]

Once these drop into the £30ks like the BMW i8, they would be impossible to resist for many, myself included

[theboss]

AMVSVNick said:

red_duke said:

AMVSVNick said:

I assume there is no way of upgrading a car to 22kw?

You can retrofit the 3-phase charger but it’s not considered ‘cost effective’ to do so. This is the workshop procedure which takes 6.4 hours.

Brilliant, thank you.

Given my mileage and the time I expect to keep it may well be worthwhile

22kW is nice to have if you can take advantage of it, but its value really depends on whether you expect you will need to charge at that rate. i.e. if you have a regular journey profile that puts to at the 3-phase site whereby you need to get as much charge in a short space of time. You might find you don't deplete the battery heavily as much as you expected, or that you do so overnight when it doesn't matter if it's charging at 22 or 11.

I only say this because I have it on one of my cars (iX M60), it's standard so I didn't have to seek it out, but now having done 11k miles in the car there have only been 2 or 3 occasions when it was of any real benefit. It was quite handy on those occasions, but not to the extent I might think it worth spending thousands of pounds for.l

[AMVSVNick]

theboss said:

22kW is nice to have if you can take advantage of it, but its value really depends on whether you expect you will need to charge at that rate. i.e. if you have a regular journey profile that puts to at the 3-phase site whereby you need to get as much charge in a short space of time. You might find you don't deplete the battery heavily as much as you expected, or that you do so overnight when it doesn't matter if it's charging at 22 or 11.

I only say this because I have it on one of my cars (iX M60), it's standard so I didn't have to seek it out, but now having done 11k miles in the car there have only been 2 or 3 occasions when it was of any real benefit. It was quite handy on those occasions, but not to the extent I might think it worth spending thousands of pounds for.l

Surely the benefit is being able to charge within the cheap overnight tariff hours? Happy to be corrected as I’m new to this as you may have gathered.

[b0rk]

AMVSVNick said:

Surely the benefit is being able to charge within the cheap overnight tariff hours? Happy to be corrected as I’m new to this as you may have gathered.

You’d need a domestic three phase supply for that to be a benefit which are somewhat rare. If you want a three phase supply then contact your DNO and ask for a quote, typical costs are in the range £3.5k to £7k. You also need to be racking up the miles per day for a normal slow 11kw charge to not provide enough of a top up.

[AMVSVNick]

b0rk said:

AMVSVNick said:

Surely the benefit is being able to charge within the cheap overnight tariff hours? Happy to be corrected as I’m new to this as you may have gathered.

You’d need a domestic three phase supply for that to be a benefit which are somewhat rare. If you want a three phase supply then contact your DNO and ask for a quote, typical costs are in the range £3.5k to £7k. You also need to be racking up the miles per day for a normal slow 11kw charge to not provide enough of a top up.

As stated before, I have 3 phase

[theboss]

AMVSVNick said:

theboss said:

22kW is nice to have if you can take advantage of it, but its value really depends on whether you expect you will need to charge at that rate. i.e. if you have a regular journey profile that puts to at the 3-phase site whereby you need to get as much charge in a short space of time. You might find you don't deplete the battery heavily as much as you expected, or that you do so overnight when it doesn't matter if it's charging at 22 or 11.

I only say this because I have it on one of my cars (iX M60), it's standard so I didn't have to seek it out, but now having done 11k miles in the car there have only been 2 or 3 occasions when it was of any real benefit. It was quite handy on those occasions, but not to the extent I might think it worth spending thousands of pounds for.l

Surely the benefit is being able to charge within the cheap overnight tariff hours? Happy to be corrected as I’m new to this as you may have gathered.

Yes its a good point certainly, being able to maximise your charge rate to get as much as possible during off peak pricing windows.

In reality for me at least, I find I am rarely wanting to add more than 50% or so of the battery overnight. If you know you’re going to be smashing through 90% of the battery regularly on consecutive days it will certainly have value.

Another point is that a smart tarrif like Intelligent Octopus will just allocate off-peak charging slots until its reached the desired charge level, its not guaranteed but in practice you can be reasonably assured that if you plugged in needing a full charge at 11kW it would all be done at the low rate.

22kW AC is also near ubiquitous on the continent and very handy to be able to get a useful charge whilst parked on street for a few hours. The one time I really thought it useful was when checking into a hotel late in France on 2% charge (I don’r mess around ) needing to leave early the next morning, being told I could use their AC charger for free and then ripping 115kWH out of it in a little over 5 hours whilst sleeping. Most comparable AC setups in the UK seem to he 7.4kW or 11kW, you don’t see as many 22kW. Worth knowing if you travel over the channel a lot.