Anyone placed an Order for the Taycan yet?
Discussion
Yorkshirepuds said:
I have a deposit down on a Taycan ST for next year so am casually keeping an eye on things until it's launched.
I've just noticed that the PSCB (surface coated brakes) are no longer an option on the 4S... is this new? So if you want the Mission E wheels on a 4S you now have to have the full ceramic brakes as well (with yellow callipers which I don't think looks as nice on a white car with white painted wheels)... a total of over £9K option!
Is this a move to try and push more buyers away from 4S to the turbo?
I would say almost certainly. The 4S demonstrator I had was equipped with the PSCB's and the Mission E wheels....the latter were badly kerbed and I imagine not easy to repair. I've just noticed that the PSCB (surface coated brakes) are no longer an option on the 4S... is this new? So if you want the Mission E wheels on a 4S you now have to have the full ceramic brakes as well (with yellow callipers which I don't think looks as nice on a white car with white painted wheels)... a total of over £9K option!
Is this a move to try and push more buyers away from 4S to the turbo?
As Taffy has pointed out the big wheels decrease range so they wouldn't be something I would specify especially now they can only be had as part of a £10k upgrade with PCCB's which add's 10% to the cost of the car. And would be the financial equivalent of setting fire to £10k in £20 notes.
Kent Border Kenny said:
I emailed Porsche yesterday to cancel my Taycan order.
Between the issues I had with the order process, the new cars I’ve bought since, the problems with the early cars and the lack of infrastructure I prefer to wait a year or two and then look again.
I had an early deposit for a Turbo S, thinking it could be my only car, but it’s now not as sporty as my sports car, and not as good a family car as my Range Rover.
I may actually switch to the Audi if it looks anything like the renderings suggest.
I think your point about it not being as good a family car as your Range Rover is the key one...I think you need to run another car alongside it and personally in my case if I don’t want to be doing a drive for our skiing holiday in £30k runabout.....so it it means having another nice family car alongside it. Between the issues I had with the order process, the new cars I’ve bought since, the problems with the early cars and the lack of infrastructure I prefer to wait a year or two and then look again.
I had an early deposit for a Turbo S, thinking it could be my only car, but it’s now not as sporty as my sports car, and not as good a family car as my Range Rover.
I may actually switch to the Audi if it looks anything like the renderings suggest.
You got away lightly. We’ve just had pretty much the same conversation over dinner with the wife, whose car has now arrived at the OPC, wondering if she’ll miss her big car (SUV). I’m now in the dog house for saying I think she will... Apparently it’ll all be ok as she’ll just borrow my Range Rover when she needs to move bigger things (like for the horses, bikes, etc) which is basically every other day, but this won’t be a problem because I can use the Taycan...
LooneyTunes said:
You got away lightly. We’ve just had pretty much the same conversation over dinner with the wife, whose car has now arrived at the OPC, wondering if she’ll miss her big car (SUV). I’m now in the dog house for saying I think she will... Apparently it’ll all be ok as she’ll just borrow my Range Rover when she needs to move bigger things (like for the horses, bikes, etc) which is basically every other day, but this won’t be a problem because I can use the Taycan...
I bought a 911 GTS Cabriolet some years ago, thinking it could replace both my RS4 and SLK55. It actually couldn’t replace either.Maybe I’m just not at the right stage of life where one car can make me happy.
The two I keep where I am now, the RR Sport and a fast sports car / supercar can’t really be rolled into one.
LooneyTunes said:
We have a reasonable number of cars so know what you mean, but I’m going to be a bit annoyed if my wife effectively sequesters my daily...
Fortunately my wife isn’t happy driving any of mine.We’ve the opposite problem, I’d like her to swap her Smart for a Honda E thingy, as I think that they look like fun.
Kent Border Kenny said:
LooneyTunes said:
We have a reasonable number of cars so know what you mean, but I’m going to be a bit annoyed if my wife effectively sequesters my daily...
Fortunately my wife isn’t happy driving any of mine.We’ve the opposite problem, I’d like her to swap her Smart for a Honda E thingy, as I think that they look like fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3CPhPMFCo
Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
AB said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3CPhPMFCo
Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
I've done it three times (in a 997 turbo, a 991 Carrera S and a Macan)... more fun in the 911s (especially the rear wheel drive one) than it was in the Macan but well worth doing.Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
Not sure what it would be like without the instructor sitting next to you though, might be worth waiting to see if all the social distancing malarkey goes away next year... IIRC the invitations last for two years (you'd better check that though!).
In case it ends up helping others, here’s what we have decided to do on financing:
3yr @ 6k pa gave a gfmv of approx £57k (car a touch over £100k)
Putting in the max deposit (purchase price minus gfmv) took the monthlies to £340.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to prepay to the extent where you end up with £0/mth but what you can do is make a prepayment during the term in order to reduce overall cost and take the monthly down to say £50-100 and see an interest saving overall.
3yr @ 6k pa gave a gfmv of approx £57k (car a touch over £100k)
Putting in the max deposit (purchase price minus gfmv) took the monthlies to £340.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to prepay to the extent where you end up with £0/mth but what you can do is make a prepayment during the term in order to reduce overall cost and take the monthly down to say £50-100 and see an interest saving overall.
AB said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3CPhPMFCo
Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
It’s closed for lockdown, but we went just before it shutdown, me for the GT4 and stuck my better half in a 992 2S. Just had my invite to this, has anyone been on one? Worth the trip to Silverstone?
I’ve been twice before and this time I’d say was even better. More space out there, quieter, best it’s been really.
LooneyTunes said:
In case it ends up helping others, here’s what we have decided to do on financing:
3yr @ 6k pa gave a gfmv of approx £57k (car a touch over £100k)
Putting in the max deposit (purchase price minus gfmv) took the monthlies to £340.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to prepay to the extent where you end up with £0/mth but what you can do is make a prepayment during the term in order to reduce overall cost and take the monthly down to say £50-100 and see an interest saving overall.
That sounds decent. What’s the apr? I’m considering a option like this. Is the gfmv percentage different between 4S and Turbo do you know?3yr @ 6k pa gave a gfmv of approx £57k (car a touch over £100k)
Putting in the max deposit (purchase price minus gfmv) took the monthlies to £340.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to prepay to the extent where you end up with £0/mth but what you can do is make a prepayment during the term in order to reduce overall cost and take the monthly down to say £50-100 and see an interest saving overall.
arcamalpha said:
That sounds decent. What’s the apr? I’m considering a option like this. Is the gfmv percentage different between 4S and Turbo do you know?
Sorry, no idea on 4S vs Turbo gfmv percentages, but wife thinks the finance is at 6.4%. Not an attractive rate really, but I’m looking at the interest cost as being downside protection. Interestingly the dealer said we’re the first people he’s had take one privately, which gives me further concern about how easy they’ll be to sell used in 3 years time, especially if trying to trade in against anything other than another Porsche. Got to say, I'm in a real quandary at the moment, and I've just read this thread end to end for inspiration.
Option 1:
Keep my 992 C2S, a lovely thing, but rarely used, purchased pre-Covid as a weekend toy, alongside a trusty shed for work (25k miles / year). Covid then happened, work miles have halved and the 992 has really held its value and will at least get deposit back a tiny bit more if I were to sell.
Chances of doing Euro tours before 2022, even with a vaccine are limited, oh, and my Wife has turned Vegan, so that kind of spoils the fun of eating and drinking my way across France and Italy, but that's another story. I'm spending - if I'm honest £250+ a month on the Shed - £150 fuel, £25 insurance, £15 tax, £60 servicing and tyres etc. Obviously, there is £40 tax a month on the 992, £50 on fuel as well.
Option 2:
As per option 1, but get rid of shed and hand back company car allowance and take a Tesla 3 LR at 0% BiK. Cost neutral, but I'm stuck with a company car for 4 years and I have a short attention span with regard to cars (expensive, I know). And I don't like Tesla 3's, think they look gawky. Unfortunately they don't run salary sacrifice lease schemes.
Option 3:
Sell / px 992 for a Taycan 4S with extended batteries and a few bits - c. £95k car. Monthlies will be roughly the same as the 992 with 12k pa miles on it, but get rid of shed and use Taycan as a daily. No road tax on either car (£50/month), no fuel on either (£200/month), insure one car (£25/month), service/tyres on one car not two (£50/month) but some electric (£25/month). BUT I CAN USE IT EVERY DAY, not just weekends.
I commute to work once a week - occasionally twice (200 mile round trip), but if its more than two, I stay over. I can charge at work for free most days (only 7kWh) but that covers half of the electric (charging at 10mph). Once a month, we do a 235 mile trip to Cornwall and stay for a few days, but always stop off for 45mins en route, so can easily charge on the way and can slow charge when we get there. Say £75 a month in electric.
I'm a sucker for 0-100 G-Forces and I love Tech. Top speed totally irrelevant and I'm frustrated by not being able to use the 992 on the public highway, it only comes alive when frankly you are doing stupid dangerous speeds in terms of public highway. Not into track days, done a few, bit meh, won't bother again.
Wife has just gone EV, a lowly Renault Zoe on a cheap lease, and if I'm honest, its just brilliant.
OPC approached, 4S+ test drive arranged for early Dec once lockdown is done...... just need to hand my PH Card in.
Option 1:
Keep my 992 C2S, a lovely thing, but rarely used, purchased pre-Covid as a weekend toy, alongside a trusty shed for work (25k miles / year). Covid then happened, work miles have halved and the 992 has really held its value and will at least get deposit back a tiny bit more if I were to sell.
Chances of doing Euro tours before 2022, even with a vaccine are limited, oh, and my Wife has turned Vegan, so that kind of spoils the fun of eating and drinking my way across France and Italy, but that's another story. I'm spending - if I'm honest £250+ a month on the Shed - £150 fuel, £25 insurance, £15 tax, £60 servicing and tyres etc. Obviously, there is £40 tax a month on the 992, £50 on fuel as well.
Option 2:
As per option 1, but get rid of shed and hand back company car allowance and take a Tesla 3 LR at 0% BiK. Cost neutral, but I'm stuck with a company car for 4 years and I have a short attention span with regard to cars (expensive, I know). And I don't like Tesla 3's, think they look gawky. Unfortunately they don't run salary sacrifice lease schemes.
Option 3:
Sell / px 992 for a Taycan 4S with extended batteries and a few bits - c. £95k car. Monthlies will be roughly the same as the 992 with 12k pa miles on it, but get rid of shed and use Taycan as a daily. No road tax on either car (£50/month), no fuel on either (£200/month), insure one car (£25/month), service/tyres on one car not two (£50/month) but some electric (£25/month). BUT I CAN USE IT EVERY DAY, not just weekends.
I commute to work once a week - occasionally twice (200 mile round trip), but if its more than two, I stay over. I can charge at work for free most days (only 7kWh) but that covers half of the electric (charging at 10mph). Once a month, we do a 235 mile trip to Cornwall and stay for a few days, but always stop off for 45mins en route, so can easily charge on the way and can slow charge when we get there. Say £75 a month in electric.
I'm a sucker for 0-100 G-Forces and I love Tech. Top speed totally irrelevant and I'm frustrated by not being able to use the 992 on the public highway, it only comes alive when frankly you are doing stupid dangerous speeds in terms of public highway. Not into track days, done a few, bit meh, won't bother again.
Wife has just gone EV, a lowly Renault Zoe on a cheap lease, and if I'm honest, its just brilliant.
OPC approached, 4S+ test drive arranged for early Dec once lockdown is done...... just need to hand my PH Card in.
Edited by dgswk on Monday 16th November 20:45
dgswk said:
...just need to hand my PH Card in.
Perhaps you should for the Zoe comment but not for buying a Taycan! 
I drove a base spec 4S last week and thought it was utterly brilliant. It's 100% Porsche, the handling and performance are extraordinary. EV charging limitations aside, I got out of that car thinking it's possibly the best car money can buy right now. How good a Turbo S must be is a bit mind boggling to be honest. Intrigued to hear how the test drive goes coming out of a 992.fblm said:
dgswk said:
...just need to hand my PH Card in.
Perhaps you should for the Zoe comment but not for buying a Taycan! I drove a base spec 4S last week and thought it was utterly brilliant. It's 100% Porsche, the handling and performance are extraordinary. EV charging limitations aside, I got out of that car thinking it's possibly the best car money can buy right now. How good a Turbo S must be is a bit mind boggling to be honest. Intrigued to hear how the test drive goes coming out of a 992.My wife's I-pace is superb. So good I'd almost consider us both having one, but for the fact I lug bikes and a dog around, often.
I can only imagine what the 4S is like. Just frustrating the Sport Tourismo version is taking its time to come out. That or the EV full fat Range Rover.
Digga said:
Much as I think having only two EVs 9well plus a GT3) in the house might, at times, be limiting, I am sorely tempted by one. I feel the momentum for EV is such that even in the depths of Wales and Scotland, it may become easier to charge up than get petrol or diesel quite soon. (This is purely my gut instinct.)
My wife's I-pace is superb. So good I'd almost consider us both having one, but for the fact I lug bikes and a dog around, often.
I can only imagine what the 4S is like. Just frustrating the Sport Tourismo version is taking its time to come out. That or the EV full fat Range Rover.
Go and drive one to see what you think. My 4S with PB+ is an amazing car and I'm enjoying it more than my old 992S Coupe. Its most impressive attribute is the way it handles with more than a hint of sportiness making for fast transport. I charge in my garage and its range which takes into account recent driving usage and ambient temps is currently 230miles.My wife's I-pace is superb. So good I'd almost consider us both having one, but for the fact I lug bikes and a dog around, often.
I can only imagine what the 4S is like. Just frustrating the Sport Tourismo version is taking its time to come out. That or the EV full fat Range Rover.
The automatic front/rear lift which become available on 2021 Yr models is brilliant and can be set up to lift automatically when approaching steep inclines, speed bumps etc. We intend upgrading to the Sport Turismo next year to gain a degree of practicality. Mine is in Volcano grey which really suits the Taycan IMO.
Taffy66 said:
Digga said:
Much as I think having only two EVs 9well plus a GT3) in the house might, at times, be limiting, I am sorely tempted by one. I feel the momentum for EV is such that even in the depths of Wales and Scotland, it may become easier to charge up than get petrol or diesel quite soon. (This is purely my gut instinct.)
My wife's I-pace is superb. So good I'd almost consider us both having one, but for the fact I lug bikes and a dog around, often.
I can only imagine what the 4S is like. Just frustrating the Sport Tourismo version is taking its time to come out. That or the EV full fat Range Rover.
Go and drive one to see what you think. My 4S with PB+ is an amazing car and I'm enjoying it more than my old 992S Coupe. Its most impressive attribute is the way it handles with more than a hint of sportiness making for fast transport. I charge in my garage and its range which takes into account recent driving usage and ambient temps is currently 230miles.My wife's I-pace is superb. So good I'd almost consider us both having one, but for the fact I lug bikes and a dog around, often.
I can only imagine what the 4S is like. Just frustrating the Sport Tourismo version is taking its time to come out. That or the EV full fat Range Rover.
The automatic front/rear lift which become available on 2021 Yr models is brilliant and can be set up to lift automatically when approaching steep inclines, speed bumps etc. We intend upgrading to the Sport Turismo next year to gain a degree of practicality. Mine is in Volcano grey which really suits the Taycan IMO.
Only done a few journeys in the wife's car and I am hooked on EV. It's not the stupid 0-100 sprint, so much as the feel of instant, on-demand torque. It's even better than a big displacement V8 engined car, in that the power train will step off instantly, pick up instantly and all without shunting, faffing around switching ratios and kicking down. It is just very relaxing really.
Seriously, it's been about 20 years since wife was enthusiastic about her car! Last ones she really loved were her E42 325i and the lovely old boxer-engined Alfa before it.
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