So, the Dacia Sandero... the UK's cheapest new car @ £5995

[SystemParanoia]

kambites said:

You missed out the important thing that you could do with that 7k which is "buy a used Caterham for the weekend".

you could also buy the trailer to tow it to track days with lol

[Mr E]

SystemParanoia said:

<<Duster Images>>

The 2wd petrol basic version of this will be a brilliant bike/tip wagon in a couple of years time.

[Greg_D]

SystemParanoia said:

StottyZr said:

What a cracking little car. 90hp, blown 3 cylinder should be a lot of fun and its difficult to argue with that price.

yeah, bolt on a GT28RS new injectors and a remap and it could be a whole heap of fun

a GT2860RS would be WAAAY too big, some form of GT25, although still a bit big, would be closer ;)

[to3m]

SystemParanoia said:

kambites said:

You missed out the important thing that you could do with that 7k which is "buy a used Caterham for the weekend".

you could also buy the trailer to tow it to track days with lol

You could also buy a shed of the week, every week, for 1 month, on top of your dacia (which, if you rely on being able to use the car, you would certainly need to have as well). Why have one car, when you could have five? Provided you picked ones that happened to work, and didn't emit too much dirty blue smoke, this would surely better fool the neighbours into thinking you are amazingly rich - which I assume is the purpose of this whole "aspiring" exercise - than buying an Audi A1 would. (Though if you have the drive and garage space for these five cars, AND neighbours close enough to notice, you are admittedly probably reasonably well-off already.)

[CDP]

SystemParanoia said:

kambites said:

You missed out the important thing that you could do with that 7k which is "buy a used Caterham for the weekend".

you could also buy the trailer to tow it to track days with lol

I checked, sadly the towing capacity of the base Sandero isn't quite up to that. Maybe it's the Duster or a ten year old V70 for a couple of grand...

But it's pretty clear that you can get a decent seven or bike for the price difference between an A1 and a Sandero and I know my preference.

[SystemParanoia]

Greg_D said:

SystemParanoia said:

StottyZr said:

What a cracking little car. 90hp, blown 3 cylinder should be a lot of fun and its difficult to argue with that price.

yeah, bolt on a GT28RS new injectors and a remap and it could be a whole heap of fun

a GT2860RS would be WAAAY too big, some form of GT25, although still a bit big, would be closer ;)

sod that.. just sprinkle in a little antilag, and a seperate water cooling jacket for the turbo and all will be well ( for a while )

[J4CKO]

This will steal sales from the Aygo and Up!, would imagine on some kind fo finance it will be less than £100 a month, I can see why people dont run old snotters as much these days, no MOT, nothing to spend for a while, warranty if it breaks. This will fulfil the basic brief of a car very nicely, anything extra with a car is all down to going faster, image or more carrying capacity.

[okie592]

A new car with a turbo for under 6k im in

[Garlick]

J4CKO said:

This will steal sales from the Aygo and Up!, would imagine on some kind fo finance it will be less than £100 a month, I can see why people dont run old snotters as much these days, no MOT, nothing to spend for a while, warranty if it breaks. This will fulfil the basic brief of a car very nicely, anything extra with a car is all down to going faster, image or more carrying capacity.

Nail on the head right there. That's why it appeals to me.

As for the Duster, I think that will be classless. See one in a rural market down and you won't know if its owned by a young mother, a groundsman, local tradesman or the landed farmer. I love that, kind of has a W124/ old Subaru estate feel.

[kambites]

esvcg said:

Surely people in this country can/want to do better than this, that's what I find sad.

But you're using your definition of "better" and assuming it matches everyone else's. To someone who wants to buy a car purely as a short-distance transport mechanism for getting to the supermarket, etc. in what way is any other car superior to this?

I'm sure they would find it equally weird that anyone would want to buy a Golf or a 3-series or whatever because "it's just full of pointless features which no-one wants that will go wrong".

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th October 13:58

[esvcg]

JayPee said:

esvcg said:

CDP said:

esvcg said:

thinfourth2 said:

esvcg said:

Surely people in this country can/want to do better than this, that's what I find sad.

Okay Compare this to a poverty spec Audi A1

Tell me why the Audi is better

As in my eyes I prefer the Dacia as its less then 50% the cost of a baby Audi

if for no other reason, it's aspirational.

In what sense? All an A1 says to me is failed estate agent who's daft enough to spend extra on a four ringed badge instead of a VW or Skoda which share exactly the same engineering for a far better price.

A5's, A6s, TTs, A8s and R8s are a different matter entirely but small Audis are no more aspirational than "Tesco Finest".

maybe to you it does, but at least it's someone who want's to do better, and aspire to the A5 etc.

Then once he has an A5 then aspire to an R8...

What do you aspire to if you actually spend your wages on this Dacia? I do know some people that don't care about cars and may like this on price only, but this is pistonheads after all not www.cheapo-money-saving-bore-look-at-my-5k-car.com...

Is that why you went for the Elite trim level on your Omega?

In all seriousness I would have infinitely more time for somebody who ran a Sandero and a Kit car that amounted to the same value as the person who thinks they have 'made it' with their A1.

This discussion on PH disturbs me.

oh err, didn't intend to cause any annoyance, like i said it's only my opinion.

I just fail to get these cars, if you need/want cheap spend no more than 1000.

P.s. the reason for the elite is that it cost 1100, with a top spec, no other reason. It's a 6th the price of this euro pos and at least 3 times the car.

[CDP]

esvcg said:

P.s. the reason for the elite is that it cost 1100, with a top spec, no other reason. It's a 6th the price of this euro pos and at least 3 times the car.

Valid point but a new/nearly new car represents a saving in time and effort. The Vectra I bought ten years ago (a few months old but with a banger mentality) has been reliable but with 168K has got to the point where I really ought to swap it. Something like a Duster would give me another 8 to 10 years before I have to think about my daily again.

[Chrisw666]

Garlick said:

Nail on the head right there. That's why it appeals to me.

As for the Duster, I think that will be classless. See one in a rural market down and you won't know if its owned by a young mother, a groundsman, local tradesman or the landed farmer. I love that, kind of has a W124/ old Subaru estate feel.

Seeing the number of Dusters, Sanderos and Logans that the French buy its clear they're popular and very good at their job and they're classless cars for people who care more about getting VFM than about their image.

I'm not sure how it will translate in the image concious UK and I suspect they'll be a minority brand for years to come but I hope it takes buyers from mainstream brands and makes them focus on either making cars that people really want to buy or drives down the cost of car ownership.

[Chrisw666]

esvcg said:

oh err, didn't intend to cause any annoyance, like i said it's only my opinion.

I just fail to get these cars, if you need/want cheap spend no more than 1000.

P.s. the reason for the elite is that it cost 1100, with a top spec, no other reason. It's a 6th the price of this euro pos and at least 3 times the car.

You cannot compare a used car with a new one. On any level because a used car will never offer buyers the same convenience of a warranty and easy to access financing that a new one does.

If used cars were the all encompassing solution everyone on PH seems to think they are none would be available because noone would ever buy a used car.

[J4CKO]

esvcg said:

After 3-4 years when the warranty/new-ness runs out, and things are more upbeat in our economy allowing for easier credit this motor will be long forgotten.

It's pretty sad they think they should sell such a cheapo motor in UK - surely we're higher in the motoring food chain than that.

Would you feel better if they charged you more for it, I am sure they could festoon it with badges and DRL's and charge 15k for it.

There is perceived quality, and there is quality, I doubt the A1 is significantly better built under the skin but your average punter sees the four rings, feels the nice plastics in the cabin, all nicely contrived to push the right consumer buttons, it might cost another £500 per unit to do that, but then they sell each unit for another six grand, I cant imagine it costs Audi much more to make an A1 than it does Dacia a Sandero, Dacia cant exist in that space without a brand image so they have to go cheap and cheerful, you have to build that image, it takes years and is why nobody buys Infiniti's in the UK.

I am sure the Audi is nicer but capability wise, base mondel for base model, I cant see there will be much difference.

There needs to be diversity, not everyone has the inclination or budget to spend more, not everyone wants cheap and cheerful, there is room in the market, judging by the number of Aygo's I see there is a ready market for this, six grand and its bigger and more powerful.

Maybe people might go the other way and not feel the need to show off and be "Premium" as "Premium" is so common these days, perhaps untilitarian, frugal austerity is the new thing ?

[SystemParanoia]

shirleynot said:

Maybe I'm living on a different planet or something? Are all of you really so hard up that you would consider driving around in a crappy £6000 Dacia? My son's mountain bike cost more than that FFS!

i currently drive around in a £300 suzuki swift, and a £100 EV moped.

so to me this would be a significant step up...

[Butter Face]

shirleynot said:

Maybe I'm living on a different planet or something? Are all of you really so hard up that you would consider driving around in a crappy £6000 Dacia? My son's mountain bike cost more than that FFS!

I bet your penis is massive too right?


And your dad could beat up our dads?

[ewenm]

shirleynot said:

Maybe I'm living on a different planet or something? Are all of you really so hard up that you would consider driving around in a crappy £6000 Dacia? My son's mountain bike cost more than that FFS!

Why do you care what someone else spends their money on? No-one is forcing you to like the Dacia, but you seem incapable of understanding that others might like it even if you don't.

[Garlick]

shirleynot said:

Maybe I'm living on a different planet or something? Are all of you really so hard up that you would consider driving around in a crappy £6000 Dacia? My son's mountain bike cost more than that FFS!

I'd consider one, yes.

Not sure what vehicle price has to do with being 'hard up' mind you.

[F1GTRUeno]

thinfourth2 said:

Okay Compare this to a poverty spec Audi A1

Tell me why the Audi is better

As in my eyes I prefer the Dacia as its less then 50% the cost of a baby Audi

Even a poverty spec A1 gets air con and a radio., won't feel like a tin can. Has some semblence of style and appeal...