2022 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and national rally)
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I have no idea why Evans was pushing so hard in that stage, it makes absolutely no sense.. Over a minute ahead of his nearest championship rival and driving as if he needed to win the stage to save his children.
Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
Skylinecrazy said:
Or Elliot told them to stay away due to the new hybrid system and you’ve just made a massive sweeping statement without having a clue what you’re talking about?
Do you honestly believe that if it was a WRC2 car no one would help and everyone would just watch? No chance.
Both commentators said the hybrid green light could still be seen, which being the the know it all you are, you'll know means the crew would know the hybrid system was "safe" and the car itself likewise. And as you'll see in the video I've linked to below, Elliot had placed the green "hybrid safe" board on the car too ..Do you honestly believe that if it was a WRC2 car no one would help and everyone would just watch? No chance.
As you'll know, "in the good old days", the spectators would have been all over the car within seconds, yet initially in this instance not one of them made a point of trying to help the crew.
On the contrary, as the shadows in this video show, the vast majority are stood there with their phones taking videos ... whilst Elliot can be seen waving to them to assist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aML0v8JaAh8
As it happened, the spectators did finally assist the crew to get the car back on the road, and luckily the cooling pack was still intact.
Now whose the muppet making sweeping statements and appearing to not have a clue what their talking about ???
Skylinecrazy said:
I have no idea why Evans was pushing so hard in that stage, it makes absolutely no sense.. Over a minute ahead of his nearest championship rival and driving as if he needed to win the stage to save his children.
Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
In case you hadn't noticed, both Seb's have countless wins and titles under their belts, they've been there, done it and got the T shirts to prove it, and thus have nothing to prove, Evans meanwhile still has everything to prove.Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
Having got through the treacherous section of the stage, he most likely thought there was some time to be made on the dry downhill section, and judging by his split times earlier in the stage, and the way he'd driven before he went off, he was clearly feeling comfortable and confident in the car.
Regrettably (and by his own admittance) he pushed too hard in the wrong place.
The tricky conditions on Sisteron led to pretty much all the top crews having moments (Ogier included ...)
Only Loeb avoided any real mishaps or "moments" and along with Evans, managed to keep his nose clean on the ascent and at the top of the col.
Slippydiff said:
The cages look hugely strong, but as I said earlier in this thread, I’m still not convinced by
the concept.
There’s a lot to be said for a steel monocoque which remains intact and absorbs and dissipates energy during a crash, whilst the cage provides the critical protection for the occupants.
Then you clearly have never seen the roll cage for the new rally 1 cars. All the teams are using the same FIA spec cage and basically the panels and the floor are attached to that.the concept.
There’s a lot to be said for a steel monocoque which remains intact and absorbs and dissipates energy during a crash, whilst the cage provides the critical protection for the occupants.
Slippydiff said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Or Elliot told them to stay away due to the new hybrid system and you’ve just made a massive sweeping statement without having a clue what you’re talking about?
Do you honestly believe that if it was a WRC2 car no one would help and everyone would just watch? No chance.
Both commentators said the hybrid green light could still be seen, which being the the know it all you are, you'll know means the crew would know the hybrid system was "safe" and the car itself likewise. And as you'll see in the video I've linked to below, Elliot had placed the green "hybrid safe" board on the car too ..Do you honestly believe that if it was a WRC2 car no one would help and everyone would just watch? No chance.
As you'll know, "in the good old days", the spectators would have been all over the car within seconds, yet initially in this instance not one of them made a point of trying to help the crew.
On the contrary, as the shadows in this video show, the vast majority are stood there with their phones taking videos ... whilst Elliot can be seen waving to them to assist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aML0v8JaAh8
As it happened, the spectators did finally assist the crew to get the car back on the road, and luckily the cooling pack was still intact.
Now whose the muppet making sweeping statements and appearing to not have a clue what their talking about ???
There’s also a Video of one trying to help and falling down the bank!
All about angles
Slippydiff said:
Skylinecrazy said:
I have no idea why Evans was pushing so hard in that stage, it makes absolutely no sense.. Over a minute ahead of his nearest championship rival and driving as if he needed to win the stage to save his children.
Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
In case you hadn't noticed, both Seb's have countless wins and titles under their belts, they've been there, done it and got the T shirts to prove it, and thus have nothing to prove, Evans meanwhile still has everything to prove.Can see Breen winning the championship as he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders.
The reason the Sébastien’s are so good is that they know exactly when to push, and when to finish fourth.
Having got through the treacherous section of the stage, he most likely thought there was some time to be made on the dry downhill section, and judging by his split times earlier in the stage, and the way he'd driven before he went off, he was clearly feeling comfortable and confident in the car.
Regrettably (and by his own admittance) he pushed too hard in the wrong place.
The tricky conditions on Sisteron led to pretty much all the top crews having moments (Ogier included ...)
Only Loeb avoided any real mishaps or "moments" and along with Evans, managed to keep his nose clean on the ascent and at the top of the col.
Both Sebs who he was chasing down will not be in Sweden for round two.
Skylinecrazy said:
You, as there’s a few other external videos of marshals keeping the spectators back.
There’s also a Video of one trying to help and falling down the bank!
All about angles
Marshals keeping the spectators back ? Quite possibly, but that’s not what you were suggesting was it ? There’s also a Video of one trying to help and falling down the bank!
All about angles
As for Evans (who I’m a big fan of) runner up is, as Ron Dennis would say, first of the losers.
But we both know Evans isn’t there to make the numbers up, he wants to win, and ultimately take the drivers World Championship, so he still has everything to prove.
It’s all a case of perspective
I hope he does take the title this year, but if he doesn’t I tend to agree with you that Breen stands a decent chance of doing so on the basis of his efforts on the Monte so far.
I’m also a big fan of Evans, but when the pressure is really on he’s similar to Neuville and susceptible to error.
Next round will be fascinating as everyone will be a lot more experienced in the cars. It’s taken Kalle longer to adapt for example, but now he looks as quick as anyone!
Next round will be fascinating as everyone will be a lot more experienced in the cars. It’s taken Kalle longer to adapt for example, but now he looks as quick as anyone!
I've been loving it so far, drama during every stage!
The sisteron (sp?) stage was very exciting, so tense, the smallest mistake and it could cost you. The stage claimed scalps from Evans, Takasuta, Neuville, Tanak, Greensmith, Rossel, and Mikkelsen!
Rovanpera has taken a good bit of time off of Breen, I'd like to see Breen try to roughly match him to make his position more comfortable.
I bought the WRC+ subscription for the month, 10 euro, really like it so far!
ETA: I really like the absence of servicing after each loop. To me, it brings back the endurance side of things, it's not just a flat out quick sprint, the drivers have to balance the risk vs rewards.
The sisteron (sp?) stage was very exciting, so tense, the smallest mistake and it could cost you. The stage claimed scalps from Evans, Takasuta, Neuville, Tanak, Greensmith, Rossel, and Mikkelsen!
Rovanpera has taken a good bit of time off of Breen, I'd like to see Breen try to roughly match him to make his position more comfortable.
I bought the WRC+ subscription for the month, 10 euro, really like it so far!
ETA: I really like the absence of servicing after each loop. To me, it brings back the endurance side of things, it's not just a flat out quick sprint, the drivers have to balance the risk vs rewards.
Edited by confucuis on Saturday 22 January 21:48
Skylinecrazy said:
I’m also a big fan of Evans, but when the pressure is really on he’s similar to Neuville and susceptible to error.
He has got a lot more consisent over the last couple of years, but agreed not great under pressure.That impression probably isn't helped by the way he always looks terrified behind the wheel on in-car shots!
M5-911 said:
So we are looking at 2 semi retired guys destroying the rest of the current field. Future of WRC drivers is a bit bleak.
Ogier has just finished a full season so is as up to speed as any other. Loeb is just Loeb. Everybody else has had issues bar Rovenpera & Breen. It’s Craig’s first full season and Kalle is 20 years old and was struggling to adapt at first. Not to mention Monte is a very specialist event…I don’t think I have seen an event with as many car issues/drama as this!
Ogier with a puncture now so Loeb back in the lead.
M5-911 said:
So we are looking at 2 semi retired guys destroying the rest of the current field. Future of WRC drivers is a bit bleak.
Ogier is the current champion and is as match-fit as any of the full-time drivers. He is also on his home event, driving on roads that aren't that far from his home town (though not as close as the last few years). To describe him as semi-retired is rather doing him a disservice. Loeb's performance has been exceptional though, especially considering he is only just back from Dakar.As for the future, Evans, Neuville, Tanak, Rovanpera are all extremely talented drivers, so I don't think we have anything to worry about.
Deeply impressive from Loeb, especially given the lack of pre-event prep and the fact he'd been driving round the desert for a fortnight.
Unlucky for Ogier though. He looked gutted at the end. Decent start to the season for Breen. Didn't look that fast, but kept a cool head and picked up points, which is what it's all about.
So much for hybrids ruining rallying anyway.
Unlucky for Ogier though. He looked gutted at the end. Decent start to the season for Breen. Didn't look that fast, but kept a cool head and picked up points, which is what it's all about.
So much for hybrids ruining rallying anyway.
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