RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled
Discussion
As a buyer in this sector I can't get past what the Rivian looks like. I'm not interested in having something that ugly in my life.
I feel the same about the new Defender, the styling is too modern for me. Even though the vehicle is clearly capable and popular, I'm just not interested.
So it's just me and Jim
I feel the same about the new Defender, the styling is too modern for me. Even though the vehicle is clearly capable and popular, I'm just not interested.
So it's just me and Jim
But the rest of the planet tie in their emissions and safety standards to Europe and the US, even the humble 504 taxis of North Africa are no more.
I would disagree on there being a large untapped market for the Grenadier outside of Western countries. Why? Because all of the legacy competitors have moved there as regulations have changed or tightened. Yes you can buy a mid 90s eraToyota Landcruiser in white in Africa because they still make them.
I would disagree on there being a large untapped market for the Grenadier outside of Western countries. Why? Because all of the legacy competitors have moved there as regulations have changed or tightened. Yes you can buy a mid 90s eraToyota Landcruiser in white in Africa because they still make them.
C Lee Farquar said:
As a buyer in this sector I can't get past what the Rivian looks like. I'm not interested in having something that ugly in my life.
I feel the same about the new Defender, the styling is too modern for me. Even though the vehicle is clearly capable and popular, I'm just not interested.
So it's just me and Jim
Generally agree, but if Musk gets pulls his finger out I'll take a Cybertruck in an instant. Strange eh, but the F-117 was an icon of my childhood.I feel the same about the new Defender, the styling is too modern for me. Even though the vehicle is clearly capable and popular, I'm just not interested.
So it's just me and Jim
sisu said:
Yes you can buy a mid 90s eraToyota Landcruiser in white in Africa because they still make them.
You can buy a Landcruiser 70 series in Australia (in theory, wait times are allegedly up to 4 years).The side impact rules in Aus changed earlier this year and the LC70 would fail - so Toyota upgraded the gvm to over 3,500kg which means it is classed as a medium goods vehicle and the new rules don’t apply.
They aren’t cheap either.
Mikebentley said:
soxboy said:
What is the price difference between the two?
My Defender was £60k thereabouts but would be about £67k now without the £7k of extras (folding fabric roof/ black everything etc). So in real terms the price has risen £14k in 12 months. I went on the Ineos site and found the Grenadier was more expensive as near like for like as was possible. The Ineos couldn’t even get near the tech offered on the Defender.I chose my Defender model specifically as I wanted the 19” rims and a decent tyre wall as I felt it an appropriate look on a Defender.
With suspension at almost top setting? I am told by a Land Rover engineer there is a further elevation available if you ground the car out. Apparently the system will ask you if you need the emergency clearance or something.
Edited by Mikebentley on Tuesday 20th September 20:03
It's good we have a choice.
I'm happy with the Grenadier as a vehicle and have paid a deposit, however the tax side of things is not as good as it could have been.
The commercial variant is too heavy and doesn't have a one tonne payload. So with the 4 seater a small business user can't claim the VAT back (unless solely used for work). My accountant isn't comfortable with claiming commercial capital allowance as he believes HMRC will view it as a car, as with many crew cab vans. It will be very expensive compared to a double cab pickup, for example.
I'm happy with the Grenadier as a vehicle and have paid a deposit, however the tax side of things is not as good as it could have been.
The commercial variant is too heavy and doesn't have a one tonne payload. So with the 4 seater a small business user can't claim the VAT back (unless solely used for work). My accountant isn't comfortable with claiming commercial capital allowance as he believes HMRC will view it as a car, as with many crew cab vans. It will be very expensive compared to a double cab pickup, for example.
Mikebentley said:
With suspension at almost top setting? I am told by a Land Rover engineer there is a further elevation available if you ground the car out. Apparently the system will ask you if you need the emergency clearance or something.
Yes, there's an emergency height setting as my wife found out on the Land Rover experience day in a Discovery - wading through some fairly deep water the car decided it was a bit too deep and raised up to the emergency level, the instructor was in the passenger seat going "just keep going, whatever you do just keep going" 
When we were through on the other side it said something about the emergency mode on the screen and the instructor explained it's not brilliant for the propshaft(?) as the joint in the middle is at too steep an angle, or something along those lines.sisu said:
It would be interesting to get a Grenadier on Harrys Farm as this would tick alot of boxes for who they aimed it at. But I don't know if he will be as sympathetic as they hope.
I don't think they'd need to be.Its the Australian market that'll show how tough or not it is. For the same reason the new defender badged discovery isn't used where a tough car is needed.
it'll be interesting to see how the new smaller Landcrusier does when that eventually comes out also.
jason61c said:
I don't think they'd need to be.
Its the Australian market that'll show how tough or not it is. For the same reason the new defender badged discovery isn't used where a tough car is needed.
it'll be interesting to see how the new smaller Landcrusier does when that eventually comes out also.
Define “tough”…Its the Australian market that'll show how tough or not it is. For the same reason the new defender badged discovery isn't used where a tough car is needed.
it'll be interesting to see how the new smaller Landcrusier does when that eventually comes out also.
Both are ‘tough enough’ and our opinions mean bugger all.
The proof of the pudding and all that.
M
camel_landy said:
jason61c said:
I don't think they'd need to be.
Its the Australian market that'll show how tough or not it is. For the same reason the new defender badged discovery isn't used where a tough car is needed.
it'll be interesting to see how the new smaller Landcrusier does when that eventually comes out also.
Define “tough”…Its the Australian market that'll show how tough or not it is. For the same reason the new defender badged discovery isn't used where a tough car is needed.
it'll be interesting to see how the new smaller Landcrusier does when that eventually comes out also.
Both are ‘tough enough’ and our opinions mean bugger all.
The proof of the pudding and all that.
M
I don’t dislike the Ineos and it would probably have been beneficial if they had just purchased the design rights off JLR for what is clearly a modern interpretation of their old design. I wish them well but time will tell.
I love how we are back to this. Man walking back to you with a snap strap, covered in mud because they have removed all bodywork except the cowl and the bonnet. But it is held together with tubes. He has not driven over the centre hump and the edge, He has driven right into the wheel ruts and his beadlock 42" tires are wedged because he wants to get stuck.
Basically this scene...
You are now going to be asked to daisy chain your 4x4s to pull him out or be berated on your winching technique. He will then explain how (insert mid 90s 4x4 brand) is the only solution and that by not getting stuck you are not doing it right because you have (insert any post 90s 4x4) is bound to break.
He will then load this onto a trailer to be towed by a version that is road legal only pausing to drink from a mid strength beer your offroading manhood as he sits in a fold out fabric Halfords chair because the front diff has shat itself having found the rock that you avoided.
You then ask about the Grenadier and he measures it agianst the chopped 4x4 with an external roll cage and no doors because that is an offroader.
I can see why people buy 4x4 Pandas.
Basically this scene...
You are now going to be asked to daisy chain your 4x4s to pull him out or be berated on your winching technique. He will then explain how (insert mid 90s 4x4 brand) is the only solution and that by not getting stuck you are not doing it right because you have (insert any post 90s 4x4) is bound to break.
He will then load this onto a trailer to be towed by a version that is road legal only pausing to drink from a mid strength beer your offroading manhood as he sits in a fold out fabric Halfords chair because the front diff has shat itself having found the rock that you avoided.
You then ask about the Grenadier and he measures it agianst the chopped 4x4 with an external roll cage and no doors because that is an offroader.
I can see why people buy 4x4 Pandas.
Or just a normal Panda and simply drive on the tarmac road that's 20 feet away and goes exactly where you need to go without any fannying about.
In 2022 not using a road is simply a lifestyle choice that renders all these off-roaders as nothing more than toys for us to have fun with.
Things like the Defender tend to be more preferred toys as they accept more overtly that it is 2022 not 1922 so are more practical and desirable.
In 2022 not using a road is simply a lifestyle choice that renders all these off-roaders as nothing more than toys for us to have fun with.
Things like the Defender tend to be more preferred toys as they accept more overtly that it is 2022 not 1922 so are more practical and desirable.
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