KITCAR DESIGN sketches/concepts year 2008-10

KITCAR DESIGN sketches/concepts year 2008-10

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Zigs

1,866 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2007
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now I like that, but I think it should have:

1) Two or more exhausts
2) The back window goes down too low, leave a little more metal

Zigs

fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

271 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2007
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last two rough sketches for the v8 Cobra chassis body.......


JenkinsComp

918 posts

249 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2007
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Like the Cobra rebody, reminds me of a Sylva Fury cross bred with a TVR Sagaris. Fury is very Ginetta reminiscent

fuoriserie

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271 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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JenkinsComp said:
Like the Cobra rebody, reminds me of a Sylva Fury cross bred with a TVR Sagaris. Fury is very Ginetta reminiscent
Yes that is a pretty close a description....but will rework a few things for a final sketch, I will try to incorporate those grand punto lights.......smile

GTRene

16,815 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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It would be nice to see such car on the road Italo, I like it..it also has a bit AR that new type in it, where they first came on show with 2 and later converted one in a cabrio euhm that red car a nice coupe wich is on sale this year and they only will build a few?

GTRene

fuoriserie

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Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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GTRene said:
It would be nice to see such car on the road Italo, I like it..it also has a bit AR that new type in it, where they first came on show with 2 and later converted one in a cabrio euhm that red car a nice coupe wich is on sale this year and they only will build a few?

GTRene
Rene you're a good spotter...||||, I did look at the Alfa Romeo 8C for the window line, and the new sketch will have a similar feel in the rear, but more Jag/Ginetta.



I will be back in about a week, new stuff, this cobra rebody, a Murtaya Coupe and a few more surprises........smile





Zigs

1,866 posts

208 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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:waitsexcitedlysmiley:

GTRene

16,815 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Looking forwards to that Italo, I like most of your designs, hope they contact you some day and make it into a scale model to see what people think about that.

GTRene

Joe T

487 posts

226 months

Thursday 24th May 2007
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AC did look at a car on a similar platform to the Cobra the Mamba http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/ac/mamba.asp

But it didnt seem to be much of a success, not enough to save them anyway.

Maybe if someone like you had penned them something a bit more modern looking Italo.........

Zigs

1,866 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th May 2007
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yeah, that mamba is A) Ugly and B) expensive. If it was mid twenties and had a proper enegine, it probably would have worked

JenkinsComp

918 posts

249 months

Sunday 27th May 2007
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I've been fiddling with photoshop and mirror imaged the front to see what it'll look like when complete.


fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

271 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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GTRene said:
Looking forwards to that Italo, I like most of your designs, hope they contact you some day and make it into a scale model to see what people think about that.
GTRene
Thanks Rene

Maybe someone is watching........ and this could spark some interest........smile

fuoriserie

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Monday 28th May 2007
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Joe T said:
AC did look at a car on a similar platform to the Cobra the Mamba http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/ac/mamba.asp

But it didnt seem to be much of a success, not enough to save them anyway.

Maybe if someone like you had penned them something a bit more modern looking Italo.........
Joe
Is Ac still in business?, but something more modern could fit intheir lineup, and who knows....

fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

271 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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JenkinsComp said:
I've been fiddling with photoshop and mirror imaged the front to see what it'll look like when complete.

This is a very aggressive and and unique looking sportscar, will love to see the finished prototype

pugster

691 posts

233 months

Thursday 31st May 2007
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Thanks for an enjoyable thread, clearly some very talented people in PH land.

On the subject of niche markets i noticed the various comments relating to altering exsiting platforms into another variant to provide something different, particularly relevant to smaller lightweight two seaters.

For me something that is missing from the current mass market is a smaller engined rwd two seater coupe (a kind of Z4 coupe with a 2.0 engine if you like) that still offers reasonable performance but greatly reduced running costs over it's larger engined equivalents.

To my mind a big mistake with the MGF was that the mid engined layout prevented further development for offering a modern day BGT.

This leads me nicely into a question surrounding the MX5 that has been knocking about in my head for a while.

Using the Elan shooting brake or say a Lenham Sprite as an example is there a niche market for developing a removable shooting brake type hard top for the MX5 or similar? i.e it still gives the option for removal to enjoy open top motoring in the summer and offers practical benefits for the winter?
I appreciate that the Elan / Lenham examples aren't removable but is a removable option acheivable?

I ask the question from a purely non technical background with no practical knowledge as to how such a thing could work in reality.
However i would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this.

fuoriserie

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Friday 1st June 2007
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pugster said:
For me something that is missing from the current mass market is a smaller engined rwd two seater coupe (a kind of Z4 coupe with a 2.0 engine if you like) that still offers reasonable performance but greatly reduced running costs over it's larger engined equivalents.

To my mind a big mistake with the MGF was that the mid engined layout prevented further development for offering a modern day BGT.

This leads me nicely into a question surrounding the MX5 that has been knocking about in my head for a while.

Using the Elan shooting brake or say a Lenham Sprite as an example is there a niche market for developing a removable shooting brake type hard top for the MX5 or similar? i.e it still gives the option for removal to enjoy open top motoring in the summer and offers practical benefits for the winter?
I appreciate that the Elan / Lenham examples aren't removable but is a removable option acheivable?
I agree with you, and think the mx5 lends itself nicely to a few body design conversions, and the shooting brake variant is a very interesting one.

Working on a few ideas, and will post hopefully soon.........smile

Sam_68

9,939 posts

247 months

Sunday 3rd June 2007
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cymtriks said:
Sam_68 said:
...Out of interest, have you seen the new(ish) Elite based car that Spyder is now marketing? Not to my personal taste (I think they've ruined one of the most beautiful shapes ever with modifications that are all subtly wrong), but it does pretty much what you are suggesting, only based on the '50's Elite rather than the Plus 2.
Can't find the "new" Elite on Spyder's website.

Regarding my Elan plus 2 idea the addition of a new bonnet and subtle changes to the rear would make it look different enough to be seen as the next step on as opposed to a straight forward chassis swap and restoration.

That's the concept anyway. I fully accept that a lot of people won't see it that way.
Sorry to drag up an old post, but I came across a pic of the Spyder 'Elite' that I took at this year's Donington Lotus Show.

Didn't take one of the front, but you'll get the idea:



edited to add: Obviously, being the Lotus Only parking area, that isn't really a sh1tty old Rover in the background. It's the new Esprit in disguise! wink

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 3rd June 09:34

fuoriserie

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Monday 4th June 2007
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[quote=Sam_68
Sorry to drag up an old post, but I came across a pic of the Spyder 'Elite' that I took at this year's Donington Lotus Show.

Didn't take one of the front, but you'll get the idea:



edited to add: Obviously, being the Lotus Only parking area, that isn't really a sh1tty old Rover in the background. It's the new Esprit in disguise! wink

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 3rd June 09:34

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I've always liked the Elite design, but what is potential of such a design in the 21st century? it's a great retro design but the various kitcar manufacturers that made an attempt in reviving it, never got off, but I fail to see what really is the problem with this little sportscar.Maybe a complex build?, costs?

I wonder if retro design is something of the past, and new potential customers are embracing modern designv for their new sportscars, and only a very limited number off people still have an interest, but maybe it wouldn't make a business case for a kitcar manufacturer.

What do you all think?, I beleive this is a relevant question for any new design.





Edited by fuoriserie on Monday 4th June 09:33

cymtriks

4,560 posts

247 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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I like the modern Elite but I think it needs to be seen as a new design rather than a modified older one.

I agree that it doesn't make a nicer original Elite but it still manages to look good in it's own right.

I think retro designs are under used. A lot of non replica kits try to look as exciting as possible by the over use of ducts and intersecting angles. This will date badly and must be very complex to mold. Conversely retro designs will age better and, so I am told, be easier to make.

My Earlier suggesting of updating a classic shape also allows the use of original designs and parts for some bits. As I mentioned earlier a modern version of an older design could use the original glass and the same shape and patterns for the doors and trim. All of this cuts costs and simplifies the design process.

fuoriserie

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Tuesday 5th June 2007
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cymtriks said:
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I think retro designs are under used. A lot of non replica kits try to look as exciting as possible by the over use of ducts and intersecting angles. This will date badly and must be very complex to mold. Conversely retro designs will age better and, so I am told, be easier to make.

My Earlier suggesting of updating a classic shape also allows the use of original designs and parts for some bits. As I mentioned earlier a modern version of an older design could use the original glass and the same shape and patterns for the doors and trim. All of this cuts costs and simplifies the design process.
That means that retro design still has an interest, but it needs to have heritage for it to be successful.

Good point....and will take that into consideration for my future sketches.