Three Wheelers - Your opinions and expertise wanted!

Three Wheelers - Your opinions and expertise wanted!

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fuoriserie

4,560 posts

271 months

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

271 months

Thursday 26th May 2011
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dave de roxby

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544 posts

197 months

Thursday 26th May 2011
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Hey Jeff,

Hello again on this thread!

Now, I had no idea Jim Keeble had any interests in three-wheeled creations. Wonder what they would make of it on the Tiger/Keeble thread? It's quite a surprise to me but at least lets me know my auto-design dreaming is not without parallel!

JeffreyB

82 posts

157 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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Dave, we must stop meeting like this!
This thread shows that there is still a lot of interest in 3 wheelers. I probably learned more about driving from my Berkeley than any other car I've owned since. A lesson Jeremy Clarkson and Co have yet to learn is that it's perfectly possible to get a real buzz from driving underpowered cars as long as the vehicle provides plenty of other sensations apart from sheer top speed. A sense of impending doom for one! (and the Berkeley certainly provided that).

Jeff

Steve_D

13,761 posts

260 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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JeffreyB said:
Dave, we must stop meeting like this!
This thread shows that there is still a lot of interest in 3 wheelers. I probably learned more about driving from my Berkeley than any other car I've owned since. A lesson Jeremy Clarkson and Co have yet to learn is that it's perfectly possible to get a real buzz from driving underpowered cars as long as the vehicle provides plenty of other sensations apart from sheer top speed. A sense of impending doom for one! (and the Berkeley certainly provided that).

Jeff
For impending doom try driving an Isetta Bubble car at speed.

Steve

dave de roxby

Original Poster:

544 posts

197 months

Sunday 29th May 2011
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Steve_D said:
JeffreyB said:
Dave, we must stop meeting like this!
This thread shows that there is still a lot of interest in 3 wheelers. I probably learned more about driving from my Berkeley than any other car I've owned since. A lesson Jeremy Clarkson and Co have yet to learn is that it's perfectly possible to get a real buzz from driving underpowered cars as long as the vehicle provides plenty of other sensations apart from sheer top speed. A sense of impending doom for one! (and the Berkeley certainly provided that).

Jeff
For impending doom try driving an Isetta Bubble car at speed.

Steve
I shall never forget walking home one cold night in the early sixties, before I even had a car myself, when this Issetta Bubble came around a downhill hairpin bend a little too fast. It simply rolled over, quite a delicate manoeuvre, and landed back on its wheels. But a couple of its windows had popped out and were lying in the road. The driver, whistling and quite undaunted, got out, picked up his windows and drove off again - as if this were quite a normal experience!

Steve_D

13,761 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th May 2011
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dave de roxby said:
Steve_D said:
JeffreyB said:
Dave, we must stop meeting like this!
This thread shows that there is still a lot of interest in 3 wheelers. I probably learned more about driving from my Berkeley than any other car I've owned since. A lesson Jeremy Clarkson and Co have yet to learn is that it's perfectly possible to get a real buzz from driving underpowered cars as long as the vehicle provides plenty of other sensations apart from sheer top speed. A sense of impending doom for one! (and the Berkeley certainly provided that).

Jeff
For impending doom try driving an Isetta Bubble car at speed.

Steve
I shall never forget walking home one cold night in the early sixties, before I even had a car myself, when this Issetta Bubble came around a downhill hairpin bend a little too fast. It simply rolled over, quite a delicate manoeuvre, and landed back on its wheels. But a couple of its windows had popped out and were lying in the road. The driver, whistling and quite undaunted, got out, picked up his windows and drove off again - as if this were quite a normal experience!
I too rolled my Isetta.
In doing so it crushed one of the headlight housings which stick out the side not unlike a Kitcar headlight. As a 16YO money was tight and replacements were not readily available so I went to a breakers and was directed to a pile of lights and other electrical bits. After much rummaging I found a pair of huge chrome Austin lights complete with all the mounting hardware.

The process was you took your parts to the kitchen door of the house and the rotund lady gave you a price. She took one of the lights (I had carefully covered in mud to devalue) and proceeded to dismantle it. She scratched the inside of the housing and pronounced ‘They’re all brass I’ll ‘ave to charge you 10/6’ (52P). Never has money left my pocket faster.

With those on the car I think I may have invented ‘Bling’.

A further note on this episode. In turning onto its roof fuel escaped from the tank before we could right the car. I went back past the spot later in the day and a small child was building sand castles in the now soft tarmac and was covered head to foot…..I didn’t stop.

Steve

dmulally

6,216 posts

182 months

Sunday 29th May 2011
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Steve_D said:
I too rolled my Isetta.
In doing so it crushed one of the headlight housings which stick out the side not unlike a Kitcar headlight. As a 16YO money was tight and replacements were not readily available so I went to a breakers and was directed to a pile of lights and other electrical bits. After much rummaging I found a pair of huge chrome Austin lights complete with all the mounting hardware.

The process was you took your parts to the kitchen door of the house and the rotund lady gave you a price. She took one of the lights (I had carefully covered in mud to devalue) and proceeded to dismantle it. She scratched the inside of the housing and pronounced ‘They’re all brass I’ll ‘ave to charge you 10/6’ (52P). Never has money left my pocket faster.

With those on the car I think I may have invented ‘Bling’.

A further note on this episode. In turning onto its roof fuel escaped from the tank before we could right the car. I went back past the spot later in the day and a small child was building sand castles in the now soft tarmac and was covered head to foot…..I didn’t stop.

Steve
Great story smile

You dont have any old pics floating around of the tricked up Isetta do you?

Steve_D

13,761 posts

260 months

Monday 30th May 2011
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dmulally said:
Great story smile

You dont have any old pics floating around of the tricked up Isetta do you?
I've found one 35mm slide. My brother has facilities to scan slides so will try and get it done in the next few days.

Steve

Steve_D

13,761 posts

260 months

Wednesday 1st June 2011
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Steve_D said:
dmulally said:
Great story smile

You dont have any old pics floating around of the tricked up Isetta do you?
I've found one 35mm slide. My brother has facilities to scan slides so will try and get it done in the next few days.

Steve
There you go complete with spotty 16YO


Steve

dmulally

6,216 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st June 2011
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Steve_D said:
There you go complete with spotty 16YO


Steve
biggrin

Those lights are pretty trick right there!

Thanks

a boardman

1,316 posts

202 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Someone at my works has a berkeley, that I am trying to get my hands on to restore.

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

271 months

Wednesday 29th June 2011
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TriPod1

12 posts

173 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Hi All,

I personally think 3 wheelers have great possibilities for all sorts of reasons.

My preferences for the layout etc are represented by the choices made in my own design - http://ozht.com/trike/index.html

In Australia a trike is the only way to get a motorcycle engined vehicle (other than a bike of course) onto a public road (well legally anyway!).

The rules in general for a scratch built trike are such that it isn't a diabolical impossibilty to get it registered.

A car of your own design is going to be expensive and quite possibly impossible to get on the road. With a bike engine for power it is impossible.

3 wheels themselves when done right I think can handle very well indeed. Low, light and wide is the key. Oh and 2 wheels at the front I'm sure makes most sense.

Traction at the rear maybe an issue but a trackday style soft tyre should help.

Cost is also an advantage over 4 wheels as the power train is dead simple. No expensive transaxles, LSDs, custom propshafts etc.

The hassles/issues as I see them are, reverse gear, hand brake (not a biggy), and rear wheel traction.

Avoiding pot holes is also probably a bit of a driving issue.

Fun factor though is through the roof. Light and chuckable with a smooth ride and handy acceleration at sane speeds.

In Aus sane speeds is all we are allowed so to my mind a small light fun chuck around type vehicle makes huge sense compared with some kind of overpriced autobahn burner upperer.

Regards, Andrew.


dave de roxby

Original Poster:

544 posts

197 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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TriPod1 said:
Hi All,

I personally think 3 wheelers have great possibilities for all sorts of reasons.

My preferences for the layout etc are represented by the choices made in my own design - http://ozht.com/trike/index.html

In Australia a trike is the only way to get a motorcycle engined vehicle (other than a bike of course) onto a public road (well legally anyway!).

The rules in general for a scratch built trike are such that it isn't a diabolical impossibilty to get it registered.

A car of your own design is going to be expensive and quite possibly impossible to get on the road. With a bike engine for power it is impossible.

3 wheels themselves when done right I think can handle very well indeed. Low, light and wide is the key. Oh and 2 wheels at the front I'm sure makes most sense.

Traction at the rear maybe an issue but a trackday style soft tyre should help.

Cost is also an advantage over 4 wheels as the power train is dead simple. No expensive transaxles, LSDs, custom propshafts etc.

The hassles/issues as I see them are, reverse gear, hand brake (not a biggy), and rear wheel traction.

Avoiding pot holes is also probably a bit of a driving issue.

Fun factor though is through the roof. Light and chuckable with a smooth ride and handy acceleration at sane speeds.

In Aus sane speeds is all we are allowed so to my mind a small light fun chuck around type vehicle makes huge sense compared with some kind of overpriced autobahn burner upperer.

Regards, Andrew.
Hi Andrew,
A fantastic effort and a great site. It appears the rules for car construction in Aus are real tight. But often, as in formula racing, tight rules sometimes bring out the best in us. I do hope all your mechanical efforts can be clothed in the sexy bodywork this trike deserves.

Well done and please keep us informed!

dmulally

6,216 posts

182 months

Thursday 7th July 2011
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Dave,

The rules in Oz are not so much tight as confusing and contradictory. Even for the engineers signing them off. But not in all states. There are bike engined cars on the road but those days are over pretty much. At least in NSW.

Nice trike up above. Have followed your progress for some time now.

Cheers

Damo

ezakimak

1,871 posts

238 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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TriPod1 said:
Hi All,

I personally think 3 wheelers have great possibilities for all sorts of reasons.

My preferences for the layout etc are represented by the choices made in my own design - http://ozht.com/trike/index.html

In Australia a trike is the only way to get a motorcycle engined vehicle (other than a bike of course) onto a public road (well legally anyway!).

The rules in general for a scratch built trike are such that it isn't a diabolical impossibilty to get it registered.

A car of your own design is going to be expensive and quite possibly impossible to get on the road. With a bike engine for power it is impossible.

3 wheels themselves when done right I think can handle very well indeed. Low, light and wide is the key. Oh and 2 wheels at the front I'm sure makes most sense.

Traction at the rear maybe an issue but a trackday style soft tyre should help.

Cost is also an advantage over 4 wheels as the power train is dead simple. No expensive transaxles, LSDs, custom propshafts etc.

The hassles/issues as I see them are, reverse gear, hand brake (not a biggy), and rear wheel traction.

Avoiding pot holes is also probably a bit of a driving issue.

Fun factor though is through the roof. Light and chuckable with a smooth ride and handy acceleration at sane speeds.

In Aus sane speeds is all we are allowed so to my mind a small light fun chuck around type vehicle makes huge sense compared with some kind of overpriced autobahn burner upperer.

Regards, Andrew.
Hi Andrew, there is another bloke in melbourne who has done almost the exact same thing with a 1400cc yamaha engine - his name is Allan, i dont have contact details for him but he attends the victorian clubman builders events and is on the oz clubbies forum under the name of allanstrike or something like that.

His trike goes verry hard, as most of the weight is in front of the bike engine there is less chance of doing a monno as it would on the bike so it either hooks up and takes of like a rocket or gets wheel spin. He is using a bike engine that has a prop shaft drive in it, and has connected a couple of gears from a quick change lathe gearbox onto the output shaft, he then drives through these gears with a starter motor of a subaru to get reverse. he has utilised the whole of the bike frame and suspension in the back. Even still has the hard panniers on it.

Ryan

Edited by ezakimak on Friday 8th July 07:18

Fer

7,714 posts

282 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Still have a strong interest in a 3 wheeler, and looking for something similar to the T-Rex.

Currently road testing a Qpod Funtech, which is a moped powered microcar, for my son when he turns 16. It is actually a 5 wheeler, as it has two "out-riders" either side of the back wheel to help stability, as it is quite tall. It does give some traction control, as when you get it onto the 2 side wheels you bleed off the power. biggrin

TriPod1

12 posts

173 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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Me again.

Yes Ezakimak mine rips off the line. Feels stronger than the bike in some ways even though its carrying around another 60 - 80 kgs

No doubt just being able to jump on the gas rather than trying to avoid looping out has something to do with it.

I must look up alans trike. Good to hear there is someone else as silly as me.

Huge fun.

I will time the thing once I have it driving again with my GPS logging thingy (Racechrono). Gut feel suggests 0 - 100 in less than 5seconds.

Pulled the front mould parts of my nosecone plug today and it looks good so a quarter of the way there with the bodywork.

Its good to be back on the project. I'm keen to get a lot done before no doubt business will get in the way again.

Andrew.

Fer

7,714 posts

282 months

Friday 8th July 2011
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dave de roxby said:
mikeveal said:
Dave,
Have you looked at the French marque Secma? I think they are imported to the UK under the Qpod brand. The Fun Runner is almost a trike - with a full windscreen, heater and wipers. May give you some ideas.
Ta Mike! All ideas gratefully received and will be chewed upon.
If you want some detailed pictures, let me know.