Aston Martin DB5 replica?
Discussion
After seeing the DB4 Zagato replica been made on a DB7 chassis i have been thinking why doesnt someone offer a DB5 replica. A Jaguar or BMW would make a good doner vehicle.
If you couldnt get someone to lend you a car to take moulds of how about using lastest CAD 3D modeling tech and have the buck machined out of polystyrene.
for the last 20 - 30 years The replica market generally seems to be centred around Cobra, GT40, lotus 7 and a hand full of others. whilst the kits have improved with time and now utilise latest CAD for chassis design etc the silhouettes of the industry have generally remained the same.
Using modern technology someone should create somthing new and try to move things on a bit.
Bring on an accurate DB5 replica
If you couldnt get someone to lend you a car to take moulds of how about using lastest CAD 3D modeling tech and have the buck machined out of polystyrene.
for the last 20 - 30 years The replica market generally seems to be centred around Cobra, GT40, lotus 7 and a hand full of others. whilst the kits have improved with time and now utilise latest CAD for chassis design etc the silhouettes of the industry have generally remained the same.
Using modern technology someone should create somthing new and try to move things on a bit.
Bring on an accurate DB5 replica
JNR77 said:
Bring on an accurate DB5 replica
Would you try and take it to AMOC meets and pass it off as a real one? Just curious. Not sure how a fake Aston is any different to a fake MR-2 based Ferrari. I considfer those to be a 'bad' concept no matter how good they look. It seems different with racing cars like the GT40 or Cobra, even the DBR1, although I am not sure why.
I hope to have a replica XKSS built in the future, certainly won't be passing that off as real, it's just a touring-useable D-Type replica so keps that replica-race car feel. Wondering what makes an acceptable replica and what doesn't in the eyes of enthusiasts?
That DB7 -> DB4 is a heck of an achievement and somehow using an Aston seem to make it fairly OK. With a V12 and auto box it's never going to try be passed off as an original, but what a great concept. Would I own one... no.
PAUL. S said:
That is stunning....I love it...
, thanks for the link....
Italo
personally I would never try and pass a replica off as a genuine one, but create an accurate recreation true to the original external design. Purpose designed and engineered chassis to create somthing that drives well, maybe using modern mechanics.
Edited by JNR77 on Tuesday 28th February 17:33
The cape said:
Might be a stupid question but how upset could Aston get about it?? Would they bother to persue a low volume under the radar replica?
Correct it is. Yes they do, and they have told people to stop. If you use key elements of Aston's styling you will very likely get a letter from the legal department. It has already happened.The cape said:
Not sure I'd cut up a real Aston to make it though!!
I dont know how similar, in physical dimensions, a Jaguar xk8 is, but you can pick these up now for circa £5k. I wouldnt have thought these are too much different to the db7 in terms of overhangs and wheelbase, it would certainly make a good base for a performance classically styled rebody....thoughts?qdos said:
The cape said:
Might be a stupid question but how upset could Aston get about it?? Would they bother to persue a low volume under the radar replica?
Correct it is. Yes they do, and they have told people to stop. If you use key elements of Aston's styling you will very likely get a letter from the legal department. It has already happened.However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.
The other pertinent area of legislation is trademark law. Unlike registered designs, there is no time limit for a registered trade mark.
If you are going to sell a DB5 replica you cannot stick Aston Martin badges on your demonstrator cars. Well you can, but you would be asking for trouble.
Several Ferrari replica vendors got cease and desist notices last year for the badges on their cars. There is nothing to stop the owner of a replica from buying Ferrari badges from a Ferrari dealer(and they seem quite happy to sell anyone the badges)and using the badges on their own car.
But if you attempt to sell replicas commercially (i.e. more than one) then sticking trademarked badges on your cars is not just breaking the trademark laws, but may also be adjudged to be passing off. Effectively, if you stick Aston Martin badges on your demonstrator cars, Aston Martin could use the argument that you are trying to pass off your replica as having Aston Martin's approval.
When BMW launched the new MINI they sent cease and desist notices to a lot of classic Mini specialists telling them to stop displaying Mini trademarked signage on their premises and in their adverts. BMW wanted to control the use of the Mini name for the benefit of their official dealers.
agcmidas said:
However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.
Is this True??! Surely they would have reinstated the protection/copyright?The cape said:
agcmidas said:
However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.
Is this True??! Surely they would have reinstated the protection/copyright?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design_rig...
For the benefit of those who cannot be bothered to follow the link, registering a design can give up to 25 years protection. The initial registration gives five years protection and then can be renewed for up to four more five year periods.
The DB5 came out in 1963, so if Aston Martin had registered the design and renewed it, the protection would have run out in 1988.
In reality, I doubt that the DB5 was registered as very few car companies bothered to protect their designs until fairly recently.
An unregistered design gets automatic protection for three years from the date that the design is first made public, but is harder to defend in court.
slomax said:
I dont know how similar, in physical dimensions, a Jaguar xk8 is, but you can pick these up now for circa £5k. I wouldnt have thought these are too much different to the db7 in terms of overhangs and wheelbase, it would certainly make a good base for a performance classically styled rebody....thoughts?
The DB7 was based on a modified XJS platform, the XK8 was based on a further modified platform so is the natural choiceI have made the start of what could be one of the first replica CONVERTIBLE Aston Martin DB5's done on VERY little money.
I have picked up on ebay over the last few years many parts for the DB5 and 6. Total cost of all the parts so far less than 6K. The parts include a slightly damaged full front end, rear quarters doors bonnet needing very little work, steering wheel, complete dash with all clocks with glove box. The boot I will cut from an old (FRED G)P6 Rover boot.
I have bought a CONVERTIBLE damaged 2003 M3, now stripped down, and shortend by 9.5". Cost 3K, but got more than £3k for the parts not required. Kept engine/box and all the main running gear in place with the body shell.
WHY a Convertible M3??? Well a DB5 is a big car like the E-Type, and if you shorten the M3 from the rear seat position, the M3 roof fits about right for length and width. Just needs re-working on the sides to fit the DB5 door glass, and re-work to fit the curved screen. It is a good base car for free!!
I will buy wheels, tyres and spinners new at 2K, hubs from ORSON EQUIPMENT Biringham to fix wheels on to 1K, bumpers new in stainless 1.5K, all glass 1K, Rover 45 front seats, and have the rear made 1K, have door cards made, and capets with a full trim out 1K, paint and body work 3K, welding and steelwork .5K, re-workng of the electronic roof 1K, parts new from Aston 2K, extras required 2K. Plus six months work in my spare time.
Total spend about 22K plus time. (or 1/10-1/20 of a cheep Aston needing a lot of work)thats if you could find a Convertible for sale that has not been restored and up for sale for 500K plus.
It will be better all round, with the looks of what must be one of the best looking cars ever. Aston Martin DB5 was a very good car for its time, but that was about 50 years ago. Mine will be with LSD, indipendant rear suspension, ABS,
traction controll, stability, NOT over heating needing engine rebuilds at 30K, less fuel with more power at 340ish BHP.
It will be more of a marrage rether than a kit car. Some kit cars are so bad, they are nothing like the real deal. Once this is finished, it will be hard to notice if you are not a keen Aston Martin fan. I will put more pictures and details on every tree months or so. It should take about two years from now to complete.
I have picked up on ebay over the last few years many parts for the DB5 and 6. Total cost of all the parts so far less than 6K. The parts include a slightly damaged full front end, rear quarters doors bonnet needing very little work, steering wheel, complete dash with all clocks with glove box. The boot I will cut from an old (FRED G)P6 Rover boot.
I have bought a CONVERTIBLE damaged 2003 M3, now stripped down, and shortend by 9.5". Cost 3K, but got more than £3k for the parts not required. Kept engine/box and all the main running gear in place with the body shell.
WHY a Convertible M3??? Well a DB5 is a big car like the E-Type, and if you shorten the M3 from the rear seat position, the M3 roof fits about right for length and width. Just needs re-working on the sides to fit the DB5 door glass, and re-work to fit the curved screen. It is a good base car for free!!
I will buy wheels, tyres and spinners new at 2K, hubs from ORSON EQUIPMENT Biringham to fix wheels on to 1K, bumpers new in stainless 1.5K, all glass 1K, Rover 45 front seats, and have the rear made 1K, have door cards made, and capets with a full trim out 1K, paint and body work 3K, welding and steelwork .5K, re-workng of the electronic roof 1K, parts new from Aston 2K, extras required 2K. Plus six months work in my spare time.
Total spend about 22K plus time. (or 1/10-1/20 of a cheep Aston needing a lot of work)thats if you could find a Convertible for sale that has not been restored and up for sale for 500K plus.
It will be better all round, with the looks of what must be one of the best looking cars ever. Aston Martin DB5 was a very good car for its time, but that was about 50 years ago. Mine will be with LSD, indipendant rear suspension, ABS,
traction controll, stability, NOT over heating needing engine rebuilds at 30K, less fuel with more power at 340ish BHP.
It will be more of a marrage rether than a kit car. Some kit cars are so bad, they are nothing like the real deal. Once this is finished, it will be hard to notice if you are not a keen Aston Martin fan. I will put more pictures and details on every tree months or so. It should take about two years from now to complete.
Edited by 5Jon on Tuesday 5th June 17:02
5Jon said:
I have made the start of what could be one of the first replica CONVERTIBLE Aston Martin DB5's done on VERY little money.
I have picked up on ebay over the last few years many parts for the DB5 and 6. Total cost of all the parts so far less than 6K. The parts include a slightly damaged full front end, rear quarters doors bonnet needing very little work, steering wheel, complete dash with all clocks with glove box. The boot I will cut from an old (FRED G)P6 Rover boot.
I have bought a CONVERTIBLE damaged 2003 M3, now stripped down, and shortend by 9.5". Cost 3K, but got more than £3k for the parts not required. Kept engine/box and all the main running gear in place with the body shell.
WHY a Convertible M3??? Well a DB5 is a big car like the E-Type, and if you shorten the M3 from the rear seat position, the M3 roof fits about right for length and width. Just needs re-working on the sides to fit the DB5 door glass, and re-work to fit the curved screen. It is a good base car for free!!
I will buy wheels, tyres and spinners new at 2K, hubs from ORSON EQUIPMENT Biringham to fix wheels on to 1K, bumpers new in stainless 1.5K, all glass 1K, Rover 45 front seats, and have the rear made 1K, have door cards made, and capets with a full trim out 1K, paint and body work 3K, welding and steelwork .5K, re-workng of the electronic roof 1K, parts new from Aston 2K, extras required 2K. Plus six months work in my spare time.
Total spend about 22K plus time. (or 1/10-1/20 of a cheep Aston needing a lot of work)thats if you could find a Convertible for sale that has not been restored and up for sale for 500K plus.
It will be better all round, with the looks of what must be one of the best looking cars ever. Aston Martin DB5 was a very good car for its time, but that was about 50 years ago. Mine will be with LSD, indipendant rear suspension, ABS,
traction controll, stability, NOT over heating needing engine rebuilds at 30K, less fuel with more power at 340ish BHP.
It will be more of a marrage rether than a kit car. Some kit cars are so bad, they are nothing like the real deal. Once this is finished, it will be hard to notice if you are not a keen Aston Martin fan. I will put more pictures and details on every tree months or so. It should take about two years from now to complete.
Hello and welcome.I have picked up on ebay over the last few years many parts for the DB5 and 6. Total cost of all the parts so far less than 6K. The parts include a slightly damaged full front end, rear quarters doors bonnet needing very little work, steering wheel, complete dash with all clocks with glove box. The boot I will cut from an old (FRED G)P6 Rover boot.
I have bought a CONVERTIBLE damaged 2003 M3, now stripped down, and shortend by 9.5". Cost 3K, but got more than £3k for the parts not required. Kept engine/box and all the main running gear in place with the body shell.
WHY a Convertible M3??? Well a DB5 is a big car like the E-Type, and if you shorten the M3 from the rear seat position, the M3 roof fits about right for length and width. Just needs re-working on the sides to fit the DB5 door glass, and re-work to fit the curved screen. It is a good base car for free!!
I will buy wheels, tyres and spinners new at 2K, hubs from ORSON EQUIPMENT Biringham to fix wheels on to 1K, bumpers new in stainless 1.5K, all glass 1K, Rover 45 front seats, and have the rear made 1K, have door cards made, and capets with a full trim out 1K, paint and body work 3K, welding and steelwork .5K, re-workng of the electronic roof 1K, parts new from Aston 2K, extras required 2K. Plus six months work in my spare time.
Total spend about 22K plus time. (or 1/10-1/20 of a cheep Aston needing a lot of work)thats if you could find a Convertible for sale that has not been restored and up for sale for 500K plus.
It will be better all round, with the looks of what must be one of the best looking cars ever. Aston Martin DB5 was a very good car for its time, but that was about 50 years ago. Mine will be with LSD, indipendant rear suspension, ABS,
traction controll, stability, NOT over heating needing engine rebuilds at 30K, less fuel with more power at 340ish BHP.
It will be more of a marrage rether than a kit car. Some kit cars are so bad, they are nothing like the real deal. Once this is finished, it will be hard to notice if you are not a keen Aston Martin fan. I will put more pictures and details on every tree months or so. It should take about two years from now to complete.
Edited by 5Jon on Tuesday 5th June 17:02
Sounds like a great project, do keep us updated and don't forget some pic's
What a fantastic project, imagine in years to come when we all turn up at a show with bow ties DJ's and pussy galore.
There were only 1017 DB5's made out of which only 1264 remain! Interestingly the window glass is available but the front screen costs £90 and the back is over £400! see Charles Pugh
They were made as very low volume so lots of parts were sourced from other manufacturers parts bins. Like the front and rear over riders, they were used on an old London cab.
Edited to add that Daniel Craig will be driving his DB5 in the new Bond film Skyfall.
Just caught a glimpse here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4dAY3DW4c
There were only 1017 DB5's made out of which only 1264 remain! Interestingly the window glass is available but the front screen costs £90 and the back is over £400! see Charles Pugh
They were made as very low volume so lots of parts were sourced from other manufacturers parts bins. Like the front and rear over riders, they were used on an old London cab.
Edited to add that Daniel Craig will be driving his DB5 in the new Bond film Skyfall.
Just caught a glimpse here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4dAY3DW4c
Edited by Stuart Mills on Friday 8th June 12:47
ColinM50 said:
Just googled to see if there's any for hire but no joy. But blow me down, the going price to buy one seems to be around £300K.
On that basis the chance of finding an owner willing to risk letting Stuart take a mould of his car must be pretty low. I know when I've taken moulds off stuff in the past, it's around 85% chance that the mould comes off clean without sticking. Imagine if you've got 10-20 kilos of mouldmaking grp on a DB5 body and it sticks and won't come off. How do you explain that to the owner.
could you create a buck from 3d scanning the original vehicle then CADing it to make a CNC templates ; then using CNC'd foam / 3D printed plastic segements over an armature / framework to create the buck ( which could also be made to true up etc at the CAD stage )? On that basis the chance of finding an owner willing to risk letting Stuart take a mould of his car must be pretty low. I know when I've taken moulds off stuff in the past, it's around 85% chance that the mould comes off clean without sticking. Imagine if you've got 10-20 kilos of mouldmaking grp on a DB5 body and it sticks and won't come off. How do you explain that to the owner.
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