Three wheeler Cabin Scooter Design

[911hillclimber]

The last series of projects have a lot going for then imho.
Low, and wide.

I still maintain the original sketch hits the spot hard.

Get the track the same as a Smart and the rest falls into place.

[fuoriserie]

911hillclimber said:

Get the track the same as a Smart and the rest falls into place.

isn't the Smart track too wide for a single seater ?, I was thinking along the lines of a max width of 1.300mm.

Edited by fuoriserie on Tuesday 24th February 21:02

[911hillclimber]

For me the best bit of your design was the balance of proportion and that is set bt the front track, the length and the height.

Take the Smart's front track and wheel base and height and draw your 'shape' in the cube of the Smart and it will fir a treat.

This gives you stability (track) and a balanced look to convince the buyer it will not fall over at the first turn.

It allows 2 x parking in a single normal space.

I am convinced of it!

As an econo package the 2 seater Smart is hard to beat as a package/foot-print.

[fuoriserie]

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_110989/article.html

a very interesting and novel material build.........

materials

http://www.ayrescom.com/

threewheeler vehicle:

http://www.unisa.edu.au/solarcar/trev/

Edited by fuoriserie on Tuesday 24th February 22:40

[911hillclimber]

There's an answer to the canopy manufacture!
Sorry, too narrow track, but good seating position and a normal steering wheel too.
Your design is miles ahead of it and a tube construction far more practical than honeycomb for the real world.

[fuoriserie]

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_110990/article.html

the canopy is shown in this article and was made out of 3mm. clear acrylic.

[mrmaggit]

fuoriserie said:

911hillclimber said:

Get the track the same as a Smart and the rest falls into place.

isn't the Smart track too wide for a single seater ?, I was thinking along the lines of a max width of 1.300mm.

Edited by fuoriserie on Tuesday 24th February 21:02

I'd go with that, too. Not too narrow, though, as you don't want it falling through the gaps on four-post vehicle lifts!

My local MOT station has a plate that they drop between the rails to support the third wheel.

My main "objection", if you like to the Smart is that it is too square, too "cubic". Although I must admit I've not driven one.

[fuoriserie]

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_111057/article.html

VW 1 liter car, with a messerchmitt hinged style canopy.

[fuoriserie]

http://media.volkswagen2028.com/etc/medialib/vwcms...

The future of mobility in accordance with VW's views

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 25th February 09:08

[fuoriserie]

http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2007/06/peugeot-sat...

I didn't know that Peugeot supercharged their 125cc scooter engine.....!

[qdos]

We experimented with the honeycomb composites years ago building blast walls for offshore rigs. There's an increadible range of materials like this you can use but they are seldom cheap.

The TREV I covered in the magazine I was editing a while back. Flossy will have a copy of it I'm sure. This and the VW will be the sort of vehicle I can see people using in a few years time as commuter cars I'm sure. Especially now that GW Bush has been ousted from power. The whole direction will shift from luxury 4x4's and sports GTs to economic frugal transport. electric and hybrid will become more and more commonplace too. In some respects the VW video of their vision of the future is right. We will consider cars in a much different light to how we have viewed them to date. It's been hapening particularly in Europe for the past few years and it's beginning in the USA too. The super mini/subcompact is selling well. The Mini and Smart certainly put the kudos in these vehicles and the PSA Toyota colaboration with the Aygo/C!/107 is selling extremely well.

If someone comes out with a cool 3 wheeler the same thing could happen there too. I speak to so many people who look back fondly to the days of the Mescherschitts and Isettas

Edited by qdos on Wednesday 25th February 09:48

[fuoriserie]

qdos said:

The TREV I covered in the magazine I was editing a while back. Flossy will have a copy of it I'm sure. This and the VW will be the sort of vehicle I can see people using in a few years time as commuter cars I'm sure. Especially now that GW Bush has been ousted from power. The whole direction will shift from luxury 4x4's and sports GTs to economic frugal transport. electric and hybrid will become more and more commonplace too. In some respects the VW video of their vision of the future is right. We will consider cars in a much different light to how we have viewed them to date. It's been hapening particularly in Europe for the past few years and it's beginning in the USA too. The super mini/subcompact is selling well. The Mini and Smart certainly put the kudos in these vehicles and the PSA Toyota colaboration with the Aygo/C!/107 is selling extremely well.

If someone comes out with a cool 3 wheeler the same thing could happen there too. I speak to so many people who look back fondly to the days of the Mescherschitts and Isettas

Edited by qdos on Wednesday 25th February 09:48

I agree with your thinking and that is why I believe, we're just at the beginning of a shift in our buying habits,and in the type of vehicles we will be driving in the future.

We will be asking questions we would have never thought of, just a few years ago,like: do we we really need 3 cars in the garage ?, but instead have only a big sedan for our weekend trips, and insted use an economical, lightcar, being it a 3 or 4 wheeler, for our daily commutes.....and a sportscar for our trackdays.....

Price will be an important factor when deciding to buy these type of vehicles......inexpensive should be the aim.

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 25th February 11:07

[mrmaggit]

fuoriserie said:

http://media.volkswagen2028.com/etc/medialib/vwcms...

The future of mobility in accordance with VW's views

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 25th February 09:08

That's cool! A bit overly complicated, maybe, but I like that. (not the over-complicated bit, but the general design).

[fuoriserie]

mrmaggit said:

fuoriserie said:

http://media.volkswagen2028.com/etc/medialib/vwcms...

The future of mobility in accordance with VW's views

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 25th February 09:08

That's cool! A bit overly complicated, maybe, but I like that. (not the over-complicated bit, but the general design).

You would have to go for a monocoque design.......but that is for 2028, I would like to have something for 2010, if not sooner......

[911hillclimber]

My take on the original:
Again, sorry for the rough-out!

[mrmaggit]

fuoriserie said:

mrmaggit said:

fuoriserie said:

http://media.volkswagen2028.com/etc/medialib/vwcms...

The future of mobility in accordance with VW's views

Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 25th February 09:08

That's cool! A bit overly complicated, maybe, but I like that. (not the over-complicated bit, but the general design).

You would have to go for a monocoque design.......but that is for 2028, I would like to have something for 2010, if not sooner......

So would the rest of the world!

Some of the stuff in that VW is a bit Veyron (we did it because we could), rather than what they would have to produce at a price that people would be willing to pay.

[fuoriserie]

911hillclimber said:

My take on the original:
Again, sorry for the rough-out!

I like your sketches......

[skwdenyer]

qdos said:

We experimented with the honeycomb composites years ago building blast walls for offshore rigs. There's an increadible range of materials like this you can use but they are seldom cheap.

I did 4 years of post-grad research into, and design work on, honeycomb structures, mostly aimed at aircraft engines. If you want to know anything about them, please just ask here and I'll happily get involved.

[fuoriserie]

skwdenyer said:

qdos said:

We experimented with the honeycomb composites years ago building blast walls for offshore rigs. There's an increadible range of materials like this you can use but they are seldom cheap.

I did 4 years of post-grad research into, and design work on, honeycomb structures, mostly aimed at aircraft engines. If you want to know anything about them, please just ask here and I'll happily get involved.

Great Info........in your research and experience, what do you reckon the cost of the chassis would be, on a 2-2mt. long, 1.3mt wide, and .1.15mt hign threewheeler?

Would the extra strenght make sense on such a small vehicle, and would it still be a lowcost project in your opinion ?

Thanks
Italo

[Davi]

fuoriserie said:

You would have to go for a monocoque design.......but that is for 2028, I would like to have something for 2010, if not sooner......

I don't see why you can't approach a monocoque design - GTM have successfully been making them for donkeys years for their kits, on something so small and light I see no problem at all. As I mentioned earlier my own design is basically a monocoque comprising of an inner and outer shell filled with eurothane foam. Cheap, cheerful, as easy to produce as a bodyshell.