Three Wheelers - Your opinions and expertise wanted!
Discussion
Stuart Mills said:
Gorgeous trike here.
http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php#2129
Looks good, not sure how the doors will work though. Still want a trike with some go.http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php#2129
Fer said:
Stuart Mills said:
Gorgeous trike here.
http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php#2129
Looks good, not sure how the doors will work though. Still want a trike with some go.http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php#2129
Do you think they had seen this?
I hope it has the performance to go with its looks. Its already on my list of top 5 kit trike. Not that the list is long. Also look a bit practical, well it has a roof! As to the doors I hope they go up!
I guest I will buy the March/April issues! Hop they will be at the Detling Kit car show.
Edited by KDIcarmad on Friday 2nd December 15:12
http://www.ruko-fahrzeugtechnik.de/trike/index.htm...
A new exo skeleton 3wheeler design, the RUKO RKX1
A new exo skeleton 3wheeler design, the RUKO RKX1
TriPod1 said:
Hi,
In regard to the vigilante and similar designs - they seem like a load of old b
ks.
Would the thing not just understeer straight ahead at any corner?
What about front end lift at "200mph".
I'm sure Bob was a great guy but I don't think he was driving cars the same way I do...?
Andrew.
Clear you have not visited the website www.vigillante.com and read about these designs. (Or followed a good bike trike). If you had been there you would know that the TriVette design of 1974, actually out cornered the Corvette of that time by 10% (verified independently following testing by an enthusiast magazine). It still had a 0.5 "g" safety margin before reaching the tip-over limit. Later testing by the Department of Transportation (in the US) showed the TriVette to be one of the most stable and best handling vehicles they had tested up to then.In regard to the vigilante and similar designs - they seem like a load of old b
ks.Would the thing not just understeer straight ahead at any corner?
What about front end lift at "200mph".
I'm sure Bob was a great guy but I don't think he was driving cars the same way I do...?
Andrew.
I blame Reliant. There design was poor and could be unsafe if drive poorly, as any many were. This has put British designers of use a single front wheel. The funny thing is most trike motorbike use this design. How many of them have you fall over? Reliant is to blame for this distrust of any single front wheel car. I wish I could build an update of these, may be not a 200 mph super car just yet!
Please read what they claim on the website. I just hope some one who understand car physic post on these designs. I will not post on these again, unless I start building an update.
Edited by KDIcarmad on Wednesday 7th December 16:19
PLEASE AVOID USING THE LINK ON THIS POST.
Use this one instead
http://www.vigillante.com/
Use this one instead
http://www.vigillante.com/
KDIcarmad said:
Clear you have not visited the website www.vigilante.com and read about these designs. (Or followed a good bike trike). If you had been there you would know that the TriVette design of 1974, actually out cornered the Corvette of that time by 10% (verified independently following testing by an enthusiast magazine). It still had a 0.5 "g" safety margin before reaching the tip-over limit. Later testing by the Department of Transportation (in the US) showed the TriVette to be one of the most stable and best handling vehicles they had tested up to then.
I blame Reliant. There design was poor and could be unsafe if drive poorly, as any many were. This has put British designers of use a single front wheel. The funny thing is most trike motorbike use this design. How many of them have you fall over? Reliant is to blame for this distrust of any single front wheel car. I wish I could build an update of these, may be not a 200 mph super car just yet!
Please read what they claim on the website. I just hope some one who understand car physic post on these designs. I will not post on these again, unless I start building an update.
I blame Reliant. There design was poor and could be unsafe if drive poorly, as any many were. This has put British designers of use a single front wheel. The funny thing is most trike motorbike use this design. How many of them have you fall over? Reliant is to blame for this distrust of any single front wheel car. I wish I could build an update of these, may be not a 200 mph super car just yet!
Please read what they claim on the website. I just hope some one who understand car physic post on these designs. I will not post on these again, unless I start building an update.
Yes well I have had a peek at the website and it looks like a load of old bks to me. So what now everything that is published on the web is true...
I have sneaking suspicion that such a long wheelbase with so little loading on the front tyre would simply mean that when you turned the wheel, very little would happen. ie. terminal understeer.
And what 1g of braking force is a lot? My VW Caddy delivery van manages slightly more than that.
In regard to the magazine article can we have a scan. As much as i find early Corvettes 'orid I reckon the might out handle this wet dream 3 wheeler.
Andrew.
PS. My reverse trike handles rather well but still doesn't generate big g numbers. A four wheeler will always be quicker on a race track but gee wiz the 3 wheeler is terrific fun and cheap.
ks to me. So what now everything that is published on the web is true...I have sneaking suspicion that such a long wheelbase with so little loading on the front tyre would simply mean that when you turned the wheel, very little would happen. ie. terminal understeer.
And what 1g of braking force is a lot? My VW Caddy delivery van manages slightly more than that.
In regard to the magazine article can we have a scan. As much as i find early Corvettes 'orid I reckon the might out handle this wet dream 3 wheeler.
Andrew.
PS. My reverse trike handles rather well but still doesn't generate big g numbers. A four wheeler will always be quicker on a race track but gee wiz the 3 wheeler is terrific fun and cheap.
TriPod1 said:
Yes well I have had a peek at the website and it looks like a load of old bks to me. So what now everything that is published on the web is true...
I have sneaking suspicion that such a long wheelbase with so little loading on the front tyre would simply mean that when you turned the wheel, very little would happen. ie. terminal understeer.
And what 1g of braking force is a lot? My VW Caddy delivery van manages slightly more than that.
In regard to the magazine article can we have a scan. As much as i find early Corvettes 'orid I reckon the might out handle this wet dream 3 wheeler.
Andrew.
PS. My reverse trike handles rather well but still doesn't generate big g numbers. A four wheeler will always be quicker on a race track but gee wiz the 3 wheeler is terrific fun and cheap.
In 50 years of building driving and running three wheeler's I have had one consistent rule.ks to me. So what now everything that is published on the web is true...I have sneaking suspicion that such a long wheelbase with so little loading on the front tyre would simply mean that when you turned the wheel, very little would happen. ie. terminal understeer.
And what 1g of braking force is a lot? My VW Caddy delivery van manages slightly more than that.
In regard to the magazine article can we have a scan. As much as i find early Corvettes 'orid I reckon the might out handle this wet dream 3 wheeler.
Andrew.
PS. My reverse trike handles rather well but still doesn't generate big g numbers. A four wheeler will always be quicker on a race track but gee wiz the 3 wheeler is terrific fun and cheap.
If it does not look right it very probably isn't right.
This elongated design just looks wrong to me.
The control exercised by the front wheel under heavy acceleration will be minimal at best. The weight transfer to the rear from the torque leverage that a decent engine would produce would be heart stopping.
If anyone can tell me where to see one in the UK I will go and view the action in the same week. Wherever it may be in the UK.
I remain unconvinced that such a design really works.
fuoriserie said:
Interesting discussions and comments as always.....
Isn't there a gap in the kitcar market for a modern low cost threewheeler ? something like a modern Lomax, but using modern running gear...
What do you all think ?
AGREE! At the Detling show the second most common cars were three wheeled 2CV based cars. Isn't there a gap in the kitcar market for a modern low cost threewheeler ? something like a modern Lomax, but using modern running gear...
What do you all think ?
What does mean low cost? For some it under £10,000 for others its £2,000. All I will say is Morgan's three wheelers in the 1930's where among the cheapest cars you could buy at the time. Yet they were also very fast and handled well. The first car to lap Brooklands at an average of 100 mph was a Morgan (second was a Bentley costing about three time its price).
I will post a few ideas on this later, but I personal would like a price on the road of under £3,000 to include the donor car and all parts.
fuoriserie said:
Interesting discussions and comments as always.....
Isn't there a gap in the kitcar market for a modern low cost threewheeler ? something like a modern Lomax, but using modern running gear...
What do you all think ?
My heart says YES in very strong terms. Isn't there a gap in the kitcar market for a modern low cost threewheeler ? something like a modern Lomax, but using modern running gear...
What do you all think ?
With the latest big motorcycle availability and reliability this should be a breeze.
However being an Accountant, I advise caution in any new business venture starting up in the midst of the recession we are in.
However several Kit Car manufacturers seem to be keeping going pretty well.
I do not see why the right kit, at the right price, with the right modern design and intelligent construction should not be successful.
I think the days for nostalgic throwbacks is probably over.
Streamlining, Aerodynamics and frugal consumption would seem to be requirement. But then I am an Accountant.
Sam_68 said:
Steffan said:
I think the days for nostalgic throwbacks is probably over.
The overwhelming interest in Morgan's 'new' three-wheeler seems to suggest otherwise, though?I think the glory of the Marque makes their products viable.
No one else could sell the Aero8, let alone make it into an Icon.
My first three wheeler was a Bond, second (at the same time) was a Morgan my father was Archdeacon in Leicester and knew of HSF Morgan, the father of the Morgan car.
However I am not a marketing man.
You could be right maybe nostalgia is still a force in Kit cars.
I would prefer a superlight, aerodynamic racer.
100MPG and 100MPH possible? Perhaps. Then again, perhaps not.
I would think that a low cost build would have to be below 5.000 Pounds for the fancy 3wheeler and 3.000 for the basic.
I've being thinking of something inspired by the old Velorex of the 60's, with their exo chassis covered by a special cloth/fiber ( maybe taurpaline ?) .
Today you can find modern textile, strong enough to replace a GRP body and be lowcost enough...
A few images of the Velorex
I've being thinking of something inspired by the old Velorex of the 60's, with their exo chassis covered by a special cloth/fiber ( maybe taurpaline ?) .
Today you can find modern textile, strong enough to replace a GRP body and be lowcost enough...
A few images of the Velorex
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