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heightswitch said:
Mr Zumstein.
please forgive my lack of knowledge of you in the field of TVR restoration. In 15 or so years of messing around with TVR's I have never heard of you or your business!
I think however that you should consider the People and the cars that are TVR!
TVR owners never used to be particularly "up themselves" and TVR people always chose the cars principally because originally A TVR actually WAS a Kit car from Blackpool.
Regrettably as the cars have become older a certain type of clique has started to lets say "Invest" in TVR in a more speculative way. Now whilst I appreciate your views with respect to originality I am enough of a petrol head to appreciate good engineering and modification. Which in my opinion also keeps cars on the road and in use, or in my case in the garage and in Tinker.
It all has its place in our hobby, my only regret is that the investors and speculators tend to start to push things out of the reach of the "proper" People !!
N.
Mr Heightswitch, just because you have never heard of David, aka Zoomertvr is not his fault. David has visited me on several occasions and is well known in his field. RESPECT please, his views are at least as valid as anyones.please forgive my lack of knowledge of you in the field of TVR restoration. In 15 or so years of messing around with TVR's I have never heard of you or your business!
I think however that you should consider the People and the cars that are TVR!
TVR owners never used to be particularly "up themselves" and TVR people always chose the cars principally because originally A TVR actually WAS a Kit car from Blackpool.
Regrettably as the cars have become older a certain type of clique has started to lets say "Invest" in TVR in a more speculative way. Now whilst I appreciate your views with respect to originality I am enough of a petrol head to appreciate good engineering and modification. Which in my opinion also keeps cars on the road and in use, or in my case in the garage and in Tinker.
It all has its place in our hobby, my only regret is that the investors and speculators tend to start to push things out of the reach of the "proper" People !!
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Sunday 2nd October 19:52
Like I said in my 2 cent post.
We will never have 100% agreement on the "What is a true TVR subject" but we have to respect everyones opinions on the subject. There are some who will also say that our 73 supercharged 2500M is not a true TVR because it has a vintage Eaton supercharger and a Supra 5 speed installed on it but to some of us Colonists it is now a pleasure to drive on our highways and turns many heads while gettting many people to get you to pull over so they can learn just alittle more about TreVoRs dream about "All common folk need a hand built British sportscar that they could afford and drive." Isn't that what it is really all about?????
Mr. Simpson: I had a gut feeling that you or Mr. Lyons (who I think is in the U.S.ofA. attending Woodwork) might make an appearance on this thread......
We will never have 100% agreement on the "What is a true TVR subject" but we have to respect everyones opinions on the subject. There are some who will also say that our 73 supercharged 2500M is not a true TVR because it has a vintage Eaton supercharger and a Supra 5 speed installed on it but to some of us Colonists it is now a pleasure to drive on our highways and turns many heads while gettting many people to get you to pull over so they can learn just alittle more about TreVoRs dream about "All common folk need a hand built British sportscar that they could afford and drive." Isn't that what it is really all about?????
Mr. Simpson: I had a gut feeling that you or Mr. Lyons (who I think is in the U.S.ofA. attending Woodwork) might make an appearance on this thread......
V8TVR1978 said:
Mr. Simpson: I had a gut feeling that you or Mr. Lyons (who I think is in the U.S.ofA. attending Woodwork) might make an appearance on this thread......
Why not?I have an opinion that I wished to impart,
popular or otherwise,
It's no great secret that I see highly modified TVRs as no better than kit cars,
But that's just an opinion. That the
approach to modifying in this way generaly devalues the marque is probably more fact than opinion.
Edited by TVR_owner on Sunday 2nd October 20:51
TVR_owner said:
V8TVR1978 said:
Mr. Simpson: I had a gut feeling that you or Mr. Lyons (who I think is in the U.S.ofA. attending Woodwork) might make an appearance on this thread......
Why not?I have an opinion that I wished to impart,
popular or otherwise,
It's no great secret that I see highly modified TVRs as no better than kit cars,
But that's just an opinion. That the
approach to modifying in this way generaly devalues the marque is probably more fact than opinion.
Edited by TVR_owner on Sunday 2nd October 20:51
On the modifying subject of devaluing a car I totally agree with you for most buyers BUT there are others (usually hard to find)that would pay more money for a modified car. I have one person who has offered me alot more money for my Stroker Taimar than an ordinary Taimar would sell for in this area just because it is one of John Wadman's CREATIONS but he wants the original 302 block and not my 4 bolt main that I had stoked. Different strokes for different folks I would say.
V8TVR1978 said:
John: I didn't mean my comment in a bad way. I believe you and Colin shoot from the hip and I personally try to see the other side especially when it comes from somebody like you or Colin. I can respect all comments from other people but I will go the extra mile from some. I believe that SOME people here on PH need to look at the whole picture and try to see the other side instead of thinking that their opinion is the only one that matters.
On the modifying subject of devaluing a car I totally agree with you for most buyers BUT there are others (usually hard to find)that would pay more money for a modified car. I have one person who has offered me alot more money for my Stroker Taimar than an ordinary Taimar would sell for in this area just because it is one of John Wadman's CREATIONS but he wants the original 302 block and not my 4 bolt main that I had stoked. Different strokes for different folks I would say.
There are also some people that don't even think about the value of the car, as hard as that may seem to believe! They just do what they like to do with their own cars because they like their own cars for their own reasons.On the modifying subject of devaluing a car I totally agree with you for most buyers BUT there are others (usually hard to find)that would pay more money for a modified car. I have one person who has offered me alot more money for my Stroker Taimar than an ordinary Taimar would sell for in this area just because it is one of John Wadman's CREATIONS but he wants the original 302 block and not my 4 bolt main that I had stoked. Different strokes for different folks I would say.
The modification / originality puzzle confuses me somewhat!
I just enjoy old cars, all old cars. I like modified ones. I like original ones. last year at Essen a couple of Bog std bottom of the range cars stood out to me because no one restores them.... The person who loved his old bog std car because of his own reasons did though, despite its low value!
Now what confuses me more is the person who considers himself a "purist" (what does that word mean ?) A person running an original car. Lets say for the sake of argument an original factory 3.0 production sports car running with a Chimaera radiator and twin fans. A large modified bonnet scoop to cover the IDA downdraft webbers that the car never had! A custom modelled exhaust system made from the finest materials and CAD modelled for ultimate flow. A car fitted with a Borg warner T5 5 speed gearbox, quickshift and Quaife close ratio gearset connected to a custom propshaft rotating a Magnesium cased 3.54 diff. The diff transmitting power through massive specially made Quaife hubs. This car seems to me to be a seriously lovely bit of "kit". Hardly original though! and yet my car is a mongrel!
I like Mongrels! They tend to be far less tempramental.
N.
GAjon said:
Just to lighten the tone a lttle (see what I did there), do you know correction fluid was invented by Mike Nesmith, the one out of the 60's pop group The Monkees who wore a bob hats, mum.
I see, I see. That idea must have come to him during one of his many attempts at writing decent music. Best,
notafan
Grantura MKI said:
Hi Bernard,
Please take your time and read what I posted. I said Cobra. I do not know of anyone that would re-power an AC Ace with a V8 knowing that the 6 cylinder cars are fetching 250K at the moment. I am simply saying do your "loving hands at home" project on a kit Cobra that has little value or history.
Pissing....right! Do your research better my boy. I have been a top restorer of classic TVR's for nearly 25 years. English car restoration is my business. I do not re-power my vehicles.
On the plus side, I should be happy because a modified TVR never brings the money that an original will bring.
Have a pleasant day.
1.) The snide remark you posted takes neither much time, nor particularly deep intellect to read or comprehend. Vielleicht koennen Sie in Ihrem schreckhaften Dialekt schreiben, dann kann es wenigstens Niemand lesen oder verstehen. Please take your time and read what I posted. I said Cobra. I do not know of anyone that would re-power an AC Ace with a V8 knowing that the 6 cylinder cars are fetching 250K at the moment. I am simply saying do your "loving hands at home" project on a kit Cobra that has little value or history.
Pissing....right! Do your research better my boy. I have been a top restorer of classic TVR's for nearly 25 years. English car restoration is my business. I do not re-power my vehicles.
On the plus side, I should be happy because a modified TVR never brings the money that an original will bring.
Have a pleasant day.
2.) I'm not "your" f
king "boy" by any stretch of the imagination. 3.) You are simply (rolls off the tongue, don't it?) saying that I am not to do with my property as I see fit. Very clever.
4.) You should be happy to be able to do your thing. We all should. Some of us even are.
5.) Living the good life of a certified idiot, all of my days are better than pleasant. When you understand how that works, and take yourself a little less seriously, yours may be similar.
Now, get back to work at pounding your chest and at being a top, all of your bottoms are waiting.
Best,
B.
Wayne,
Your balanced outlook on life is refreshing, as you say, different strokes.
N, you forgot the brakes and wheels on the race car which does not have a mag diff or a 3.54 one for that matter.. and can you please advise what engine it had so I can consider addressing the heart surgery!
Bernard, calm down, the rest of the week is a long time !
Your balanced outlook on life is refreshing, as you say, different strokes.
N, you forgot the brakes and wheels on the race car which does not have a mag diff or a 3.54 one for that matter.. and can you please advise what engine it had so I can consider addressing the heart surgery!
Bernard, calm down, the rest of the week is a long time !
Edited by TVR_owner on Monday 3rd October 05:59
TVR_owner said:
Wayne,
Your balanced outlook on life is refreshing, as you say, different strokes.
N, you forgot the brakes and wheels on the race car which does not have a mag diff or a 3.54 one for that matter.. and can you please advise what engine it had so I can consider addressing the heart surgery!
Bernard, calm down, the rest of the week is a long time !
Thanks John, Your balanced outlook on life is refreshing, as you say, different strokes.
N, you forgot the brakes and wheels on the race car which does not have a mag diff or a 3.54 one for that matter.. and can you please advise what engine it had so I can consider addressing the heart surgery!
Bernard, calm down, the rest of the week is a long time !
Edited by TVR_owner on Monday 3rd October 05:59
I'm calm, just having a bit o' childish fun. When the weather turns, and there isn't as much outdoor skateboarding time to use for irritating people, we have to invent new ways of keeping ourselves entertained.
Best,
B.
V8TVR1978 said:
Arthur: We have 2 of the John Wadman V8 conversions and the one thing that we found that needed attention was the alternator/charging system. With my 347 Stroker I destroyed 3 alt/reg. and 1 MSD box in my 6 week trip around North America supporting mechanics two years ago...
Wayne, Automotive shops all over the country were hoping for you to show up. These are lean times, and you must have looked like a steak.
Have you ever tried one of the higher amperage alternators with cast/billet Aluminium alloy fans that are available through the usual outlets? What amperage alternator did you find you could live with? I seem to recall the original Ford units to be around 75/80A. Many of the aftermarket ones are 140A, but there is more available.
Best,
B.
GAjon said:
His mum invented it, not him.
I dont think they wrote any of thier music, did they? Before my time!
They wrote some after they became hugely popular and felt comfortable in exerting the weight of that popularity. Yuck! Pre-fab band, hit song writing teams. Nauseating. No different from Disney's talent pool, really. I dont think they wrote any of thier music, did they? Before my time!
Best,
B.
Hilarious!!!Slow M said:
V8TVR1978 said:
Arthur: We have 2 of the John Wadman V8 conversions and the one thing that we found that needed attention was the alternator/charging system. With my 347 Stroker I destroyed 3 alt/reg. and 1 MSD box in my 6 week trip around North America supporting mechanics two years ago...
Wayne, Automotive shops all over the country were hoping for you to show up. These are lean times, and you must have looked like a steak.
Have you ever tried one of the higher amperage alternators with cast/billet Aluminium alloy fans that are available through the usual outlets? What amperage alternator did you find you could live with? I seem to recall the original Ford units to be around 75/80A. Many of the aftermarket ones are 140A, but there is more available.
Best,
B.
We did go with the original Ford equipment with our first few changes but here in Calgary I was talking to our guy/mechanic and it just happened that standing beside him was his alt/starter rebuilder and he said he could built a one of starter/reg set up for the car's needs but it would probably be expensive. He was correct with all the machining and new brackets that had to be hand made. (Also all the new heavier wiring that I might do this winter) At the moment I don't want to comment on want amperage I think he told me we needed to cover all the power draws but it was higher than the original Ford stuff and that is why there may be some rewiring needed this winter. He figures that we will be able to save over 35% for our second unit for the Spousal Units car as we have already completed the learning curve. So far, I believe it was money very well spent. No blown fuses or melted wires seen so far and I put on over 300 miles last weekend and the big test will be this long weekend coming up when I plan on driving the car instead of using my car hauler. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
What I know about Wheeler's race car is very little. I was in contact with Brian??? from Lawfield Engineering and I asked him many questions (engine/frame/wheelbase etc.etc.)about that green monster and I never did get any straight answers that I would repeat without a second source.(but I'm still willing to listen to rumors.)
The only reason I said anything on this thread was to just make sure anyone doing and engine conversion/upgrade took into account for all power draws and to make sure they had enough set up to cover it all. I would hate to see or hear what some people might go to if they came across all the problems we did with the failing alts/regs and MSD box.
Off subject of 5000M built but on subject of purists.
I have a close friend of over 30 years who has been working on/restoring a 1965 Corvette. He is so anal about things that it just about makes me want to find a bottle and I don't drink anymore.
Example: He went from Calgary to Florida a few years ago to pick up a set of original knock off rims for this car. Had them refinished and I can't see any difference between that set and the set that he had that he states are an aftermarket product. I even put a new and old side by side and forgot which was which.
Now he has MS very bad and he does have a so called "bucket list" that he would like to work on. At the moment that car needs 2 things to have it 100% period correct and numbers matching. I offered to help him this summer put it all back together and haul the car down to Route 66 in my trailer and let him scratch sometime else off the "bucket list" and I would follow him to the west coast with my truck and trailer. It needs a carb and some other minor thing but he can't find a period correct carb for that car at a price he is willing to pay. So what will probably happen is when we put him in the pine box, somebody is going to steal that car from his wife and for $1,000 to $1,500 they are going to have a mint 65 Corvette. I even offered to buy the car and finish it myself but he won't sell it to me as he knows I will just get as close to original as possible and be done with it. That is either being stubborn or being a true purist. I call it stupid.
Now back to original subject.
I have a close friend of over 30 years who has been working on/restoring a 1965 Corvette. He is so anal about things that it just about makes me want to find a bottle and I don't drink anymore.
Example: He went from Calgary to Florida a few years ago to pick up a set of original knock off rims for this car. Had them refinished and I can't see any difference between that set and the set that he had that he states are an aftermarket product. I even put a new and old side by side and forgot which was which.
Now he has MS very bad and he does have a so called "bucket list" that he would like to work on. At the moment that car needs 2 things to have it 100% period correct and numbers matching. I offered to help him this summer put it all back together and haul the car down to Route 66 in my trailer and let him scratch sometime else off the "bucket list" and I would follow him to the west coast with my truck and trailer. It needs a carb and some other minor thing but he can't find a period correct carb for that car at a price he is willing to pay. So what will probably happen is when we put him in the pine box, somebody is going to steal that car from his wife and for $1,000 to $1,500 they are going to have a mint 65 Corvette. I even offered to buy the car and finish it myself but he won't sell it to me as he knows I will just get as close to original as possible and be done with it. That is either being stubborn or being a true purist. I call it stupid.
Now back to original subject.
Edited by V8TVR1978 on Monday 3rd October 16:13
Oh no here goes ..
I confess to having owned a perfectly good TVR Taimar ... drove it 'till the chassis rotted and put it away for a rainy day ....
My brother drove a Mustang convertible with a 302 until the interior smelt so bad no one else would get into it ... he also parked it up until it filled with rain to get rid of the smell.
His wife had a Datsun she loved dearly and wanted to restore to original condition ...
This is where it gets ugly ....
I went out and bought a 5000M conversion carried out by a well known commercial restorer of TVRs
I helped my brother transport the Datsun down and weighed it in for scrap.
I gave my brother the remains of the Taimar for his birthday and delivered it to their house for £0
He is cutting up the Mustang for the 302 and T5 to go in the TVR ...
Some questions/comments :-
1) Where does this leave me with both the Datsun and the Mustang Owners Club ?
2) Should I expect my sister-in-law to still be as emotional as some of the team on this thread given the crusher episode ?
3) Did I mention the 5000M is in the same garage as the deceased Taimar as the Gilbern rebuild is taking priority ?
I would *really* like some close up pictures of the b*stard child how dare you do this to a TVR 302 exhaust manifolds please ...
In return I could reveal the one off extra special alternator mount hand crafted by a near specialist engineer who wanted to go racing the next day and had to get it to fit ....
This is the 5000M at Wiscombe ... it over heated .. the exhaust manifolds are crap and the corner of one iron head got to hot and cracked ...
Hopefully this is not too upsetting to read ....
I confess to having owned a perfectly good TVR Taimar ... drove it 'till the chassis rotted and put it away for a rainy day ....
My brother drove a Mustang convertible with a 302 until the interior smelt so bad no one else would get into it ... he also parked it up until it filled with rain to get rid of the smell.
His wife had a Datsun she loved dearly and wanted to restore to original condition ...
This is where it gets ugly ....
I went out and bought a 5000M conversion carried out by a well known commercial restorer of TVRs
I helped my brother transport the Datsun down and weighed it in for scrap.
I gave my brother the remains of the Taimar for his birthday and delivered it to their house for £0
He is cutting up the Mustang for the 302 and T5 to go in the TVR ...
Some questions/comments :-
1) Where does this leave me with both the Datsun and the Mustang Owners Club ?
2) Should I expect my sister-in-law to still be as emotional as some of the team on this thread given the crusher episode ?
3) Did I mention the 5000M is in the same garage as the deceased Taimar as the Gilbern rebuild is taking priority ?
I would *really* like some close up pictures of the b*stard child how dare you do this to a TVR 302 exhaust manifolds please ...
In return I could reveal the one off extra special alternator mount hand crafted by a near specialist engineer who wanted to go racing the next day and had to get it to fit ....
This is the 5000M at Wiscombe ... it over heated .. the exhaust manifolds are crap and the corner of one iron head got to hot and cracked ...
Hopefully this is not too upsetting to read ....
Chris.
may you rot in the hottest corner of hell destroying cars like this!!
PS.
I just googled "Crusher episode" and got this?? someone you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG25ky_jHqk&fea...
may you rot in the hottest corner of hell destroying cars like this!!
PS.
I just googled "Crusher episode" and got this?? someone you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG25ky_jHqk&fea...
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