Another reason F1's mangement are clearly mad
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F1 is a racing spectacle, competition makes for racing, so why limit F1 to just 12 teams?
For 2008 it seems there are possibly 3 new teams trying make the final currently vacant 12th place. Paul Stoddart (ex-Minardi), Dave Richards (Prodrive) and Craig Pollock (ex-BAR) all are rumoured to have applied.
So why not let them all enter, more cars, more interest, more racing.
For 2008 it seems there are possibly 3 new teams trying make the final currently vacant 12th place. Paul Stoddart (ex-Minardi), Dave Richards (Prodrive) and Craig Pollock (ex-BAR) all are rumoured to have applied.
So why not let them all enter, more cars, more interest, more racing.
More according to this
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsA
Stupid they all come out of the woodwork now - we have only had 10 teams racing the last couple of years.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsA
Stupid they all come out of the woodwork now - we have only had 10 teams racing the last couple of years.
tomtvr said:
More according to this
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsA
Stupid they all come out of the woodwork now - we have only had 10 teams racing the last couple of years.
The regulations designed to make it cheaper to compete in F1 is the reason there have been so more applications.
I've just been reading more on other websites, as well as the three I mentioned and the 'B' team from McLaren another name mentioned in the additional 11 are Team Penske. How could F1 not accept an entrance from Roger Penske? You can't get any more professional and commited racing team owner as well as being a previous team owner in F1.
How will they decide on who's accepted?
Racing pedigree?
Cock measuring contest?
Or.....could it be....who can line the decision makers pockets with the most decision making paper?.
FourWheelDrift said:
More according to this
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsA
Stupid they all come out of the woodwork now - we have only had 10 teams racing the last couple of years.
The regulations designed to make it cheaper to compete in F1 is the reason there have been so more applications.
I've just been reading more on other websites, as well as the three I mentioned and the 'B' team from McLaren another name mentioned in the additional 11 are Team Penske. How could F1 not accept an entrance from Roger Penske? You can't get any more professional and commited racing team owner as well as being a previous team owner in F1.
How will they decide on who's accepted?
Racing pedigree?
Cock measuring contest?
Or.....could it be....who can line the decision makers pockets with the most decision making paper?.
so in a nutshell you aggree with me then 
FourWheelDrift said:
Yes
But I think Bernie is built too strong to pop his clogs in the near future, I mean look at his wife. She could kill someone half his age just by showing a bit of ankle, let alone a full knee trembler.
He has people to do that sort of thing for him i am sure ,, his daughters on the other hand
IIRC teams have run 3 cars before... think the last time would have possibly been Williams in the British GP c.1980
Also recall Surtess having all 3 cars damaged in a start line crash at the British GP in the mid 70s.
Personally, I do not have a problem with this at all.. especially if it means that the likes of Anthony Davison get to drive for real.
It should also be noted that back in the late 70s / early 80s, there used to grids of 26 with 30-33 cars trying to qualify.... What an amazing sight seeing that many F1 cars hurtle down to Paddock Hill Bend!
Edited some of my facts above after checking www.formula1.com/archive
A quick flick through the archive shows that teams have even run as many as four cars!!
>> Edited by fozzi on Saturday 1st April 09:08
Also recall Surtess having all 3 cars damaged in a start line crash at the British GP in the mid 70s.
Personally, I do not have a problem with this at all.. especially if it means that the likes of Anthony Davison get to drive for real.
It should also be noted that back in the late 70s / early 80s, there used to grids of 26 with 30-33 cars trying to qualify.... What an amazing sight seeing that many F1 cars hurtle down to Paddock Hill Bend!
Edited some of my facts above after checking www.formula1.com/archive
A quick flick through the archive shows that teams have even run as many as four cars!!
>> Edited by fozzi on Saturday 1st April 09:08
Because of the large numbers of teams I think the format for qualifying in 1991 was :-
1st) pre-qualifying where the bottom 4 teams would try to get into qualification. 4 cars would be elimiated
2nd) Official Qualification, the slowest 4 cars would be eliminated.
Leaving 26 cars to race.
Usual teams to not pre-qualify were, Lamborghini, Coloni and Fondmetal.
1st) pre-qualifying where the bottom 4 teams would try to get into qualification. 4 cars would be elimiated
2nd) Official Qualification, the slowest 4 cars would be eliminated.
Leaving 26 cars to race.
Usual teams to not pre-qualify were, Lamborghini, Coloni and Fondmetal.
BRM entered seven cars for the Italian GP in 1970 or 71 (not all actually raced).
Up to 1974 each countries governing body organised its own GP. The only consistent factor about each event was that the cars had to be to F1 spec and that the race counted for the WDC and WMC.
Qualifying format, time and day of race, allowing "locals" to tag on to the back of the grid, starting, finishing and prize monies etc all varied from venue to venue
It was Bernie who started organising the "system" into a consistent and coherent "standard" format, which he had more or less succeeded in doing by the earlky 80s.
Up to 1974 each countries governing body organised its own GP. The only consistent factor about each event was that the cars had to be to F1 spec and that the race counted for the WDC and WMC.
Qualifying format, time and day of race, allowing "locals" to tag on to the back of the grid, starting, finishing and prize monies etc all varied from venue to venue
It was Bernie who started organising the "system" into a consistent and coherent "standard" format, which he had more or less succeeded in doing by the earlky 80s.
as ever it is to do with money, limited team numbers means that those already involved see their teams increase in value, as those applying but left out, have no other choice but to buy another team. when you look at how some f1 teams are funded to day, with equity partners, any thing that bumps up the value is a good thing to satisfy the partners.
but i'd rather there were 15 teams
but i'd rather there were 15 teams
It's hard to turn back the clock.
Where would they put them all?
"Craig, sorry luv, your teams in the green tent at the back of the field, tried to get a pink one to match your jumper but no can do"
Then look at MF1 and Super Aguri, don't really need another six like that swaning about at the back.
Where would they put them all?
"Craig, sorry luv, your teams in the green tent at the back of the field, tried to get a pink one to match your jumper but no can do"
Then look at MF1 and Super Aguri, don't really need another six like that swaning about at the back.
RobbieMeister said:
Then look at MF1 and Super Aguri, don't really need another six like that swaning about at the back.
Why not? At the moment Super Aguri are so far behind everyone that they are irrelevent. If there were three other teams at the same pace, then they'd be racing. And racing is racing whether it's for first or 18th.... we just wanna watch some action!
Numbers helps create the spectacle.
Up until this year (maybe), if only the teams with a chance of winning were allowed take part, we would have been lucky to have had six cars on the track.
Having as many "valid" and eligible competitors on the track as possible should be the aim of the game. I would prefer to have the old 26 car line up we were used to for years. Last year's 20 was just too little.
This year is better and hopefully matters are going to improve for future years.
Up until this year (maybe), if only the teams with a chance of winning were allowed take part, we would have been lucky to have had six cars on the track.
Having as many "valid" and eligible competitors on the track as possible should be the aim of the game. I would prefer to have the old 26 car line up we were used to for years. Last year's 20 was just too little.
This year is better and hopefully matters are going to improve for future years.
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