Poll: Pirelli tyres
Total Members Polled: 337
Discussion
Megaflow said:
Formula 1 is show business, it is there to entertain, it used to be the technical pinicle of all things automotive, but your average family hatchback is more sophisticated these days, the best way of doing that and giving it as long a life as possible is to do it using as little cash as possible, so the current tyres seem the perfect way of doing that to me.
Excellent comment. But there's no harm in questioning the tyre situation and see if it can be improved upon with the aim to make racing as entertaining as reasonably possible.Edited by Johnboy Mac on Tuesday 24th April 11:26
Yes well said Megaflow.
On another matter, the thing (that many people in here have) about having a particular expectation about how F1 should be, what kind of driver and team should win is that if that occurs then it's exactly what you're expecting, what you wanted. That means it's predictable, like knowing the result of the race beforehand.
On another matter, the thing (that many people in here have) about having a particular expectation about how F1 should be, what kind of driver and team should win is that if that occurs then it's exactly what you're expecting, what you wanted. That means it's predictable, like knowing the result of the race beforehand.
Martin Brundle confirms that MSC is not alone amongst drivers, in his view of the the tyre limitations.
Megaflow said:
Formula 1 is show business, it is there to entertain, it used to be the technical pinicle of all things automotive, but your average family hatchback is more sophisticated these days, the best way of doing that and giving it as long a life as possible is to do it using as little cash as possible, so the current tyres seem the perfect way of doing that to me.
May not have the driver aids of other series(which I feel is a good thing) but still at the forefront of technology, which area is a hatchback more sophisticated?Also still the fastest cars around a circuit by some margin.
I don't feel they are driving around the tyres any more than last year really, Schuey is clearly more frustrated than most.
stephen300o said:
Megaflow said:
Formula 1 is show business, it is there to entertain, it used to be the technical pinicle of all things automotive, but your average family hatchback is more sophisticated these days, the best way of doing that and giving it as long a life as possible is to do it using as little cash as possible, so the current tyres seem the perfect way of doing that to me.
May not have the driver aids of other series(which I feel is a good thing) but still at the forefront of technology, which area is a hatchback more sophisticated?Also still the fastest cars around a circuit by some margin.
I don't feel they are driving around the tyres any more than last year really, Schuey is clearly more frustrated than most.
Compound charging
Traction control
Stability control
Torque vectoring differential
Full hybrid systems (KERS is very limited)
automatically adaptable aerodynamics
automated parking (think about this in reference to pitting)
Magnetically adjustable suspension
Hubcaps
Remote ECU flashing
Rear view cameras
Ground effect underbody
Off the top of my head. All of which have been banned.
davepoth said:
stephen300o said:
Megaflow said:
Formula 1 is show business, it is there to entertain, it used to be the technical pinicle of all things automotive, but your average family hatchback is more sophisticated these days, the best way of doing that and giving it as long a life as possible is to do it using as little cash as possible, so the current tyres seem the perfect way of doing that to me.
May not have the driver aids of other series(which I feel is a good thing) but still at the forefront of technology, which area is a hatchback more sophisticated?Also still the fastest cars around a circuit by some margin.
I don't feel they are driving around the tyres any more than last year really, Schuey is clearly more frustrated than most.
Compound charging
Traction control
Stability control
Torque vectoring differential
Full hybrid systems (KERS is very limited)
automatically adaptable aerodynamics
automated parking (think about this in reference to pitting)
Magnetically adjustable suspension
Hubcaps
Remote ECU flashing
Rear view cameras
Ground effect underbody
Off the top of my head. All of which have been banned.
Ground effect underbody is the only other one you would want from that list, but I think an F1 produces more downforce from it's undertray than a hatchback does..
Although hubcaps would be awesome!
The problem with F1 is the rear wing. If it was banned and rear turbulence was minimised racing would be closer. All the adaptions (KERS, DRS, tyres) are to compensate for the rear turbulence of the leading car and allow a more exciting spectacle.
Aero grip is negligible in normal cars, so advancements do not help Joe Public. Advances in mechanical grip would.
Until aero is reduced, keep the c**p tyres.
Aero grip is negligible in normal cars, so advancements do not help Joe Public. Advances in mechanical grip would.
Until aero is reduced, keep the c**p tyres.
davepoth said:
stephen300o said:
Megaflow said:
Formula 1 is show business, it is there to entertain, it used to be the technical pinicle of all things automotive, but your average family hatchback is more sophisticated these days, the best way of doing that and giving it as long a life as possible is to do it using as little cash as possible, so the current tyres seem the perfect way of doing that to me.
May not have the driver aids of other series(which I feel is a good thing) but still at the forefront of technology, which area is a hatchback more sophisticated?Also still the fastest cars around a circuit by some margin.
I don't feel they are driving around the tyres any more than last year really, Schuey is clearly more frustrated than most.
Compound charging
Traction control
Stability control
Torque vectoring differential
Full hybrid systems (KERS is very limited)
automatically adaptable aerodynamics
automated parking (think about this in reference to pitting)
Magnetically adjustable suspension
Hubcaps
Remote ECU flashing
Rear view cameras
Ground effect underbody
Off the top of my head. All of which have been banned.
stephen300o said:
Johnboy Mac said:
stephen300o said:
Average hatchback has automatically adaptable aero?..
Ford Focus.About the only way a Formula 1 car is more complex than a normal car is in the material the components are made from and the lengths they go to reduce weight.
Edited by Megaflow on Tuesday 24th April 12:30
playalistic said:
Bet he wouldn't be whinging if he was at the front of the grid consistently.
In the first 3 races he qualified 4th, 3rd and 3rd (promoted to 2nd). Hardly failing to be near the front.I agree with Schumy on this one.
Is the racing exciting? Well yes, in the same way that lotteries are also exciting.
Did Kimi really deserve to drop from 2nd to 14th in a few laps in China just because his tyres had gone off? Maybe if he's dropped those places over 12-15 laps it might have been ok, but over half a dozen laps it was ridiculous. That's not racing. What other race series has such inconsistency in the tyres?
Johnboy Mac said:
stephen300o said:
After a quick google 'automatically adaptable aero' is overstating what that does a bit. lol
Well, it either is or it isn't. Anyway I think the tyres are fine as they are, probably be better still when they are inside the expected temperatures instead of like the last two cooler races.
I partly agree with what Schumi was trying to say. He certainly seems to long for the days of being able to push through the entire race without worrying about tyres, or even fuel. And I can see his point on that level.
But as many others have said in this thread, the current tyres are making F1 much more entertaining and that's the way that things will have to be for the foreseeable future, unless something serious is done within the aero rules to correct the "dirty air" problem.
But as many others have said in this thread, the current tyres are making F1 much more entertaining and that's the way that things will have to be for the foreseeable future, unless something serious is done within the aero rules to correct the "dirty air" problem.
I think China was one of the most exciting races ive ever seen. I understand the argument that the drivers are not able to go flat out all the time and I would not want this forever, but with the rules always changing this is just a phase and im quite happy with it.
What its done is redefine what makes a great racing driver. Looking after the tyres is just anouther element of racing that has become more important. Being able to adapt to the performance of the car underneath you and perform constantly is a skill that all good racers need.
What its done is redefine what makes a great racing driver. Looking after the tyres is just anouther element of racing that has become more important. Being able to adapt to the performance of the car underneath you and perform constantly is a skill that all good racers need.
He's well known for wanting to squeeze every last drop of performance from his car hence the brake balance adjusting in between the corners and amounts of testing that bordered on obsessive. I would imagine that, given that mindset, it must be massively frustrating for him to bimble around at 7/10ths for a lot of the race to stop his tyres disintegrating.
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