Poll: Pirelli tyres
Total Members Polled: 337
Discussion
When I started this vote / thread, I assumed this was a loaded question and that 95% of Pistonheads would, of course, prefer driver input to determine the WDC.
How wrong could I be; 45% of voters actually think that the control tyre supplier should be the most important influence in determining the outcome of a race. Excuse me, I am off to bang my head against a wall.
Endurance racing should be all about fuel consumption and managing tyres (the clue is in the name) Rallying is now about choosing the right compound for the conditions, but NO!!! F1, should be solely about who has the best driver / chassis combination – that is the whole point of having a CONTROL TYRE.
It is not allowed to happen in F Ford; Renault; BMW, F3, F2, or even GP2, so why should the very pinnacle of motorsport be hobbled in this way?
How wrong could I be; 45% of voters actually think that the control tyre supplier should be the most important influence in determining the outcome of a race. Excuse me, I am off to bang my head against a wall.
Endurance racing should be all about fuel consumption and managing tyres (the clue is in the name) Rallying is now about choosing the right compound for the conditions, but NO!!! F1, should be solely about who has the best driver / chassis combination – that is the whole point of having a CONTROL TYRE.
It is not allowed to happen in F Ford; Renault; BMW, F3, F2, or even GP2, so why should the very pinnacle of motorsport be hobbled in this way?
rdjohn said:
How wrong could I be; 45% of voters actually think that the control tyre supplier should be the most important influence in determining the outcome of a race. Excuse me, I am off to bang my head against a wall.
Endurance racing should be all about fuel consumption and managing tyres (the clue is in the name) Rallying is now about choosing the right compound for the conditions, but NO!!! F1, should be solely about who has the best driver / chassis combination – that is the whole point of having a CONTROL TYRE.
It is not allowed to happen in F Ford; Renault; BMW, F3, F2, or even GP2, so why should the very pinnacle of motorsport be hobbled in this way?
Hold on one minute. 45% of people think the non durable tyre improves the spectacle, not that it is the most important influence. Endurance racing should be all about fuel consumption and managing tyres (the clue is in the name) Rallying is now about choosing the right compound for the conditions, but NO!!! F1, should be solely about who has the best driver / chassis combination – that is the whole point of having a CONTROL TYRE.
It is not allowed to happen in F Ford; Renault; BMW, F3, F2, or even GP2, so why should the very pinnacle of motorsport be hobbled in this way?
Loaded questions indeed, and loaded conclusions it seems. They do have control tyres. They have to run both sets. This is the same for everyone. Some of the suggestions in this thread would simply lead us back down the path of the processional F1 that we endured for a decade, with minimal overtaking, and on track action. If you want that, fine, but don't bemoan people who want to see mixed up grids, mixed up results, and lots of overtaking.
TheHeretic said:
Hold on one minute. 45% of people think the non durable tyre improves the spectacle, not that it is the most important influence. Loaded questions indeed, and loaded conclusions it seems.
They do have control tyres. They have to run both sets. This is the same for everyone. Some of the suggestions in this thread would simply lead us back down the path of the processional F1 that we endured for a decade, with minimal overtaking, and on track action. If you want that, fine, but don't bemoan people who want to see mixed up grids, mixed up results, and lots of overtaking.
At least the cars and drivers would be at their true limits, not just the tyres' limit. Loaded questions indeed, and loaded conclusions it seems. They do have control tyres. They have to run both sets. This is the same for everyone. Some of the suggestions in this thread would simply lead us back down the path of the processional F1 that we endured for a decade, with minimal overtaking, and on track action. If you want that, fine, but don't bemoan people who want to see mixed up grids, mixed up results, and lots of overtaking.
And I think it is too rely too judge whether the tyres give the rosy picture you paint.
KERS was hailed as the way to stop processions. How long did that last? Then it was DRS, which lasted half a season, doesn't look that effective any more, except in qualifying.
How long before the tyres lose their magical entertaining properties?
Megaflow said:
I think Formula 1 are starting to work out what the NASCAR organisers worked out years ago, motorsport is a 'show', it is about entertainment, if the show goes, so does the entertainment, followed by the fans and the money.
If they have to produce tyres like this to improve the show, why not? How durable do people what the tyres to be? 20 laps, 30 laps, 1 race, 2 races, a season? All of these are possible, but what we have at the minute, I firmly believe is the best for the 'show', which is, at the end of the day, what it is all about.
Exactly this. Have people forgotten already the bore fests the races used to be? Keep it how it is please.If they have to produce tyres like this to improve the show, why not? How durable do people what the tyres to be? 20 laps, 30 laps, 1 race, 2 races, a season? All of these are possible, but what we have at the minute, I firmly believe is the best for the 'show', which is, at the end of the day, what it is all about.
Billy_rfc said:
Megaflow said:
I think Formula 1 are starting to work out what the NASCAR organisers worked out years ago, motorsport is a 'show', it is about entertainment, if the show goes, so does the entertainment, followed by the fans and the money.
If they have to produce tyres like this to improve the show, why not? How durable do people what the tyres to be? 20 laps, 30 laps, 1 race, 2 races, a season? All of these are possible, but what we have at the minute, I firmly believe is the best for the 'show', which is, at the end of the day, what it is all about.
Exactly this. Have people forgotten already the bore fests the races used to be? Keep it how it is please.If they have to produce tyres like this to improve the show, why not? How durable do people what the tyres to be? 20 laps, 30 laps, 1 race, 2 races, a season? All of these are possible, but what we have at the minute, I firmly believe is the best for the 'show', which is, at the end of the day, what it is all about.
Not sure about the 1+ race durability tyres being possible - the farce a few years back when it was 1 set per race seemed to suggest this was really at the limit of what is possible.
I haven't read the whole thread but I'd much rather watch drivers at 10/10ths rather than driving really carefully to make sure their tyres last.
Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
SlipStream77 said:
I haven't read the whole thread but I'd much rather watch drivers at 10/10ths rather than driving really carefully to make sure their tyres last.
Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
It is all very well looking at one driver, and thinking he could have gone on to win if he had better types, but you seem to be forgetting the driver in front, who probably also could have gone a lot quicker on those tyres. Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
TheHeretic said:
SlipStream77 said:
I haven't read the whole thread but I'd much rather watch drivers at 10/10ths rather than driving really carefully to make sure their tyres last.
Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
It is all very well looking at one driver, and thinking he could have gone on to win if he had better types, but you seem to be forgetting the driver in front, who probably also could have gone a lot quicker on those tyres. Watching Kimi in China and seeing the result he got in Bahrain, it would have been much more exciting if he could have kept fighting rather than be artificially slowed by tyre degredation.
Whatever Schumacher's motives are for his view, fundamentally he is right.
SRT77 said:
Exactlly - better tyres would benefit all drivers and bring out the true racers.
The point I was making was that extolling how much quicker Kimi may have been ignores the fact that with durable, long life tyres, it is the same for all, so you won't get that bit where the fast driver is buggering up his tyres catching the one who is conserving ahead. They will both be going full bore, and interaction, (as we have seen in previous seasons), will be minimal. The reason they have tyres that are not as durable, with narrower windows is that it will, and does, as we have seen, increase the chances of drivers races overlapping, meaning more overtaking. That is the point. Processional parades do not a good race make.
SlipStream77 said:
It just seems really artificial and a waste of driver ability. Not all races that used durable tyres were processions, there must be a better way to do it.
The whole thing is artificial. Aero, ground effect, traction control, trick suspension, double diffusers, funny exhausts, qualifying engines, tyres, refueling, and fuel conservation, and so on have all been part of F1 history going back however long before this season. If you want pure driver ability, you need a single make, spec formula, and that is not what F1 is about. F1 is about the formula, hence the name. The tyres are part of the package, and are there purely to encourage overtaking, and on track interaction.
TheHeretic said:
SRT77 said:
Exactlly - better tyres would benefit all drivers and bring out the true racers.
The point I was making was that extolling how much quicker Kimi may have been ignores the fact that with durable, long life tyres, it is the same for all, so you won't get that bit where the fast driver is buggering up his tyres catching the one who is conserving ahead. They will both be going full bore, and interaction, (as we have seen in previous seasons), will be minimal. The reason they have tyres that are not as durable, with narrower windows is that it will, and does, as we have seen, increase the chances of drivers races overlapping, meaning more overtaking. That is the point. Processional parades do not a good race make.
SRT77 said:
The current artificially contrived races can hardly be classed as "good".
Seriously? You think the current format is not 'good'? Tell you what... Go back to when you had durable tyres, and watch them on DVD. I can tell you I am glad those days are gone. Too many years of procession.TheHeretic said:
Seriously? You think the current format is not 'good'? Tell you what... Go back to when you had durable tyres, and watch them on DVD. I can tell you I am glad those days are gone. Too many years of procession.
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