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PW said:
Bedazzled said:
I don't agree, the BBC attends all the races and their commentary is recorded live and used by about 40 other countries, iirc.
Only for this year. Bedazzled said:
By joining Sky Brundle has ...
Secured his career as a commentator. The options available to him are go to Sky, go to another foreign, English speaking broadcaster, or retire.That's why most of the BBC team went to Sky; no point in hanging on to a BBC job for 1 year only and force Sky to fill your role with someone else.
I don't know how people in this thread think that because they listen to his commentary for a couple of hours on a Sunday, and see him on camera for a few minutes pre/post race that they are in a position to judge his mental state and second guess how he feels about his choices.
Bedazzled said:
Perhaps "only for this year" was referring to Sky's commitment not to show adverts during the race...? 
You keep telling yourself that's going to happen if it makes you feel better.Same as all the sky haters saying they would break up qualifying to show adverts this year - guess what? Wrong.
robmlufc said:
The other cars didnt have to go on the dirt, they were behind Rosberg and took the option of trying to go round him on the dirt. He made his one single move, Hamilton or Alonso should have backed off or gone the other side. Really Hamilton should have been given a penalty for not sticking to track boundaries and overtaking off the track.
yeah he should but since he finished behing Rosberg(and Alonso) at the end of the race they decided not to punish him, maybe that was not the reason for decision but most probably it is
Eric Mc said:
I see Bernie says the reason Di Resta's superb qualifying lap wasn't shown is because no one is interested in who qualifies 10th or 11th.
The man is insufferable.
I honestly can't decide if everything Bernie says isn't carefully calculated to further an agenda, or whether he is, as you say, completely insufferable and/or deranged. The man is insufferable.
He is not deranged. But he is insufferable.
It's the glib and flippant way he dismisses any question that he doesn't want to answer. He treats far too many people like dirt and swipes away inquisitors with a metaphorical flick of the hand as if to say "Go away, you are a worthless piece of turd and I am wasting my intellect and time bothering to talk to you as you are obviously stupid and not worth treating with any courtesy".
It's the glib and flippant way he dismisses any question that he doesn't want to answer. He treats far too many people like dirt and swipes away inquisitors with a metaphorical flick of the hand as if to say "Go away, you are a worthless piece of turd and I am wasting my intellect and time bothering to talk to you as you are obviously stupid and not worth treating with any courtesy".
DanDC5 said:
As insufferable and annoying as he is at times though, F1 wouldn't be half as popular or as successful as it is without him. It's a sad fact but a true one. As much as you only seem to see what bad he's doing, he does a lot more good for the sport that fails to be recognised.
Agreed, but also think anyone else in that position would not do less.I think part of Brundles choice to go to Sky was to open up more opportunities for him to race again. I think his BBC contract was a bit stricter there, i seem to remember he has wanted to do Le Mans again for a few years but it wasn't possible with the bbc?
Personally i find the Sky commentary great. Fantastic from Brundle, although Crofty has made an unusual amount of errors, often getting the wrong Mclaren or Ferrari for example. This is something i don't remember him doing on the more laid back free practice commentarys, but in Bahrain it was rather apparent. BBC commentary is pretty decent, i find Brundles humour and subtle but infectious and real enthusiasm is missing though, so BBC comes across as decent but a bit 'dry'. However this will probaly get better as the team gel.
BBC pre and post race features are much better imo, more soul and passion, and much better presenters. Jake really does a fantastic job when you compare him to the slow, slightly dimwitted sky bloke. His questions can be simple and awkward and his use of the word 'Yeah so...' to kick off a segment does not come across as that professional.
We now have two broadcasters both doing a solid job of f1 coverage, unfortunately last year there was one broadcaster that was doing an outstanding job. Neither 2012 efforts are a patch on BBC 2011 imo.
Personally i find the Sky commentary great. Fantastic from Brundle, although Crofty has made an unusual amount of errors, often getting the wrong Mclaren or Ferrari for example. This is something i don't remember him doing on the more laid back free practice commentarys, but in Bahrain it was rather apparent. BBC commentary is pretty decent, i find Brundles humour and subtle but infectious and real enthusiasm is missing though, so BBC comes across as decent but a bit 'dry'. However this will probaly get better as the team gel.
BBC pre and post race features are much better imo, more soul and passion, and much better presenters. Jake really does a fantastic job when you compare him to the slow, slightly dimwitted sky bloke. His questions can be simple and awkward and his use of the word 'Yeah so...' to kick off a segment does not come across as that professional.
We now have two broadcasters both doing a solid job of f1 coverage, unfortunately last year there was one broadcaster that was doing an outstanding job. Neither 2012 efforts are a patch on BBC 2011 imo.
e on Sky has a couple of hairs on her t!t, they better bring that MILF from BBC"DanDC5 said:
As insufferable and annoying as he is at times though, F1 wouldn't be half as popular or as successful as it is without him. It's a sad fact but a true one. As much as you only seem to see what bad he's doing, he does a lot more good for the sport that fails to be recognised.
Nothing Bernie has done in the past decade has made F1 better. He has "grown" the sport by enticing non-F1 countries into the "circle" at the expense of the sport's roots and its longstanding fan base.We will see if this is going to enhance or destroy the sport.
McLaren need to get sharper on pit stops, even the ones that were good were twice as long as other teams.
Whitmarsh did impress me in his post race interview on Sky, he clearly acknowledged the failings and that they can't allow it to keep happening. Whilst he's all teeth and smiles on TV I get the feeling he will be demanding action to sort out the problems.
Some fancy captive wheelnut system isn't needed IMHO. NASCAR teams use glue to hold the nut in place inside the new wheel, soon as the gun is running the glue will break and the nut does up. Simple and effective.
They also need to understand their car more, granted they had probably not had their debrief at the time but Button hadn't a clue why the balance changed and the pace dropped off. There is a wider issue that since Australia they've lost their advantage and they don't seem to know why either.
As far as the Sky bashing goes, give them a chance. They are already putting in place changes based on feedback and I'm sure Brundle and the rest of the team will be working to improve it. I've already noticed the post race is more in depth on tech issues and they cover quite a bit of ground pretty quickly, partly due to not having to wait for EJ to witter on about something!
Whitmarsh did impress me in his post race interview on Sky, he clearly acknowledged the failings and that they can't allow it to keep happening. Whilst he's all teeth and smiles on TV I get the feeling he will be demanding action to sort out the problems.
Some fancy captive wheelnut system isn't needed IMHO. NASCAR teams use glue to hold the nut in place inside the new wheel, soon as the gun is running the glue will break and the nut does up. Simple and effective.
They also need to understand their car more, granted they had probably not had their debrief at the time but Button hadn't a clue why the balance changed and the pace dropped off. There is a wider issue that since Australia they've lost their advantage and they don't seem to know why either.
As far as the Sky bashing goes, give them a chance. They are already putting in place changes based on feedback and I'm sure Brundle and the rest of the team will be working to improve it. I've already noticed the post race is more in depth on tech issues and they cover quite a bit of ground pretty quickly, partly due to not having to wait for EJ to witter on about something!
JonRB said:
Forbes82 said:
We now have two broadcasters both doing a solid job of f1 coverage, unfortunately last year there was one broadcaster that was doing an outstanding job. Neither 2012 efforts are a patch on BBC 2011 imo.
That's a very fair point. 
There was fantastic chemistry between Jake, DC and Brundle when they were together on the Beeb and the bit yesterday when Jake and DC grabbed a few words with Brundle made me realise for the first time how neither sets of coverage quite recreates that. Note that I didn't include EJ in that last sentence...
DanDC5 said:
As insufferable and annoying as he is at times though, F1 wouldn't be half as popular or as successful as it is without him. It's a sad fact but a true one. As much as you only seem to see what bad he's doing, he does a lot more good for the sport that fails to be recognised.
Grand Prix were around long before Bernie got involved.They were cheaper to see and you could get into the paddock and see the drivers close up without all this VIP stuff.There were no crap circuits.
It was for people who enjoyed motor racing not the football/celebrity worshipping type crowd you seem to get these days.
jbudgie said:
Grand Prix were around long before Bernie got involved.
They were cheaper to see and you could get into the paddock and see the drivers close up without all this VIP stuff.There were no crap circuits.
It was for people who enjoyed motor racing not the football/celebrity worshipping type crowd you seem to get these days.
Yes, and it was near bankrupt and at one point had a race in the car park of a casino. I kid you not. They were cheaper to see and you could get into the paddock and see the drivers close up without all this VIP stuff.There were no crap circuits.
It was for people who enjoyed motor racing not the football/celebrity worshipping type crowd you seem to get these days.
DanDC5 said:
As insufferable and annoying as he is at times though, F1 wouldn't be half as popular or as successful as it is without him. It's a sad fact but a true one. As much as you only seem to see what bad he's doing, he does a lot more good for the sport that fails to be recognised.
Prior to the 2008 race it had been several years since I'd been to Silverstone for the F1 GP. I remember how, between sessions and races, you used to be able to browse round the myriad of stalls which were flogging any manner of car- and race-oriented stuff, like models, books, tools, accessories, caps etc etc - and at mainly reasonable prices, too.But when we went in 2008, I was amazed and saddened to see how all the little, independent traders had been driven out, and the only stalls there were Bernie's F1-accredited ones, all selling just the official items, at ludicrous prices. I saw that as a step backwards.
Not been since then - is it just the same now, anybody?
Bedazzled said:
JonRB said:
I honestly can't decide if everything Bernie says isn't carefully calculated to further an agenda, or whether he is, as you say, completely insufferable and/or deranged.
His agenda is to keep F1 in the news, on both the front and back pages; this weekend he's achieved that pretty well and I don't think anything he's said has been a slip-up. He loves controversy because it courts publicity. I think this weekend has also shown he and Murdoch are comfortable bedfellows.As someone posted, CVC appear to be divesting themselves of the commercial rights for whatever reason.
If you were trying to sell the F1 package you would want to get Ferrari on board. But one needs investment as well, so there's Red Bull. Everything else is window dressing for those who are going to put money in.
I keep thinking of the 80s. With the introduction of Group B rallying went ballistic. Then there was the Jaguar assault on the WSCC. F1 isn't the most popular motor sport by right.
JonRB said:
jbudgie said:
Grand Prix were around long before Bernie got involved.
They were cheaper to see and you could get into the paddock and see the drivers close up without all this VIP stuff.There were no crap circuits.
It was for people who enjoyed motor racing not the football/celebrity worshipping type crowd you seem to get these days.
Yes, and it was near bankrupt and at one point had a race in the car park of a casino. I kid you not. They were cheaper to see and you could get into the paddock and see the drivers close up without all this VIP stuff.There were no crap circuits.
It was for people who enjoyed motor racing not the football/celebrity worshipping type crowd you seem to get these days.
I am talking about well before that dire period.
So Bernie is your God.
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