Has Button broken Hamilton?
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amokwa said:
I think we should 
It was a draw way back before page 10! The rest is just people not letting it lie for reasons best known to themselves. Nothing to do with Mansell but I took objection to the popular idea that he was unfit and a was pretending to be exhausted after a GP.Edited by amokwa on Tuesday 6th December 12:27
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both top blokes, both top drivers as far as I'm concerned.
both top blokes, both top drivers as far as I'm concerned.
I think like everyone else we're jumping to conclusions. It's very early to be drawing meaningful conclusions. LH may just destroy everyone next weekend.
However Button was outstanding. He was more like Vettel last year than Prost. But agree with much of what has been said already. Lewis definitely seemed a bit cheesed off with 3rd which is a bit silly given the length of the season ahead. I know you have to have the winning mentality but his mood contasted with Vettels and Alonsos, both of whom want to win as much as LH but seem to be able to keep an eye on the bigger picture.
I say this as a great admirer of Lewis Hamilton's work and I would still like to see him win the title this year above anyone. Followed by BJ next year.
However Button was outstanding. He was more like Vettel last year than Prost. But agree with much of what has been said already. Lewis definitely seemed a bit cheesed off with 3rd which is a bit silly given the length of the season ahead. I know you have to have the winning mentality but his mood contasted with Vettels and Alonsos, both of whom want to win as much as LH but seem to be able to keep an eye on the bigger picture.
I say this as a great admirer of Lewis Hamilton's work and I would still like to see him win the title this year above anyone. Followed by BJ next year.
According to Hamilton after the telemetry post mortem he made a bad call on the front wing which led to a shade too much oversteer compared to Jenson's set up. So BJ set the car up better for Melbourne and fully deserved the win.
We'll never know about tyres but according to McLaren much has been made about their drivers tyre wear. The data says there's not much in it over a race. But I think it's doing Button a disservice to suggest that it's only because of the tyres that he's doing well. I think he's incredibly focused, has trained intensely over the winter (going by his tweets over the winter he was training virtually every day) and is at the top of his game in a car that suits him. I think his affable, laid back tv persona disguises a ferociously competitive nature, something I don't believe you can reach F1 without.
Malaysia will be very interesting but I for one am delighted that Vettel didn't just clear off into the distance. A strong McLaren will make this season hugely more interesting. It will be fascinating to see how the battle between Button and Hamilton plays out.
We'll never know about tyres but according to McLaren much has been made about their drivers tyre wear. The data says there's not much in it over a race. But I think it's doing Button a disservice to suggest that it's only because of the tyres that he's doing well. I think he's incredibly focused, has trained intensely over the winter (going by his tweets over the winter he was training virtually every day) and is at the top of his game in a car that suits him. I think his affable, laid back tv persona disguises a ferociously competitive nature, something I don't believe you can reach F1 without.
Malaysia will be very interesting but I for one am delighted that Vettel didn't just clear off into the distance. A strong McLaren will make this season hugely more interesting. It will be fascinating to see how the battle between Button and Hamilton plays out.
heebeegeetee said:
You didn't explain why Hamilton's weaving was dangerous at the time, nor recognised that what he did wasn't illegal at the time.
Petrov was not and could not get alongside Hamilton without first picking up a draft from Hamilton's car. Petrov was not forced to follow Hamilton's every move. You seem to have failed to notice that Petrov was weaving too, and that he did that out of his own free will.
The Senna/Prost thing is/was ridiculous. AS brought a new, lower level of ethics into the sport. Right from karting and through the lower formulaes and into F1, Senna was renowned for his dirty driving.
Just once though, a driver gave him a bit back, ie Alain Prost. And so Senna decided he had to have justice and revenge against this driver who'd had the temerity to give him a slap back, and for some very strange reason many people have not forgiven Prost for being possibly the only driver who just the once played Senna at his own game.
These critics of Prost all choose to collectively ignore all the comments and reaction from Prost's fellow drivers who displayed great surprise at Prost doing this because he had always been such a clean driver on track. I think it was Rosberg who said that Prost couldn't do the dirty stuff well because he'd had no practice at it.
Eddie Irvine also dared to unlap himself by overtaking Senna. He got a slap for that too in the pits afterwards!Petrov was not and could not get alongside Hamilton without first picking up a draft from Hamilton's car. Petrov was not forced to follow Hamilton's every move. You seem to have failed to notice that Petrov was weaving too, and that he did that out of his own free will.
The Senna/Prost thing is/was ridiculous. AS brought a new, lower level of ethics into the sport. Right from karting and through the lower formulaes and into F1, Senna was renowned for his dirty driving.
Just once though, a driver gave him a bit back, ie Alain Prost. And so Senna decided he had to have justice and revenge against this driver who'd had the temerity to give him a slap back, and for some very strange reason many people have not forgiven Prost for being possibly the only driver who just the once played Senna at his own game.
These critics of Prost all choose to collectively ignore all the comments and reaction from Prost's fellow drivers who displayed great surprise at Prost doing this because he had always been such a clean driver on track. I think it was Rosberg who said that Prost couldn't do the dirty stuff well because he'd had no practice at it.
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