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flasher said:
I heard this a month ago so I dont know why anyone is denying it or worrying it's true. The dealers got served notice aswell but thats also supposed to be "top secret"....
Lets face it, it's about time the Tuscans were canned, lets all hope they replace it with something that involves a model of TVR we can associate with, ie: the ones we can buy....
A race version of the T350, which might have just turned out to be the road going Sagaris, was mentioned last year. IIRC.
flasher said:
I heard this a month ago so I dont know why anyone is denying it or worrying it's true. The dealers got served notice aswell but thats also supposed to be "top secret"....
Lets face it, it's about time the Tuscans were canned, lets all hope they replace it with something that involves a model of TVR we can associate with, ie: the ones we can buy....
What a helpful post. You are about a month out of date Flasher.
But thank you for your kind words of support.
F**k me, am I talking to myself here....
If you want to race a T350 in the TVR Challenge next year, TVR will build you a T350 race car. Or a Tuscan MkII, or a Sagaris, or a Tamora - or, shock horror, a Tuscan racer.
griff2be said:
TVR will be running and fully supporting a TVR race series in 2005 which will have the Tuscan Challenge cars at its core and will also cater for any race prepared TVR
If you want to race a T350 in the TVR Challenge next year, TVR will build you a T350 race car. Or a Tuscan MkII, or a Sagaris, or a Tamora - or, shock horror, a Tuscan racer.
jamesc said:
So you could run a Tuscan R in this then ?
Cerbera GT3 (ex Rollcentre)
Cerbera GT2 (ex Techspeed)
Cerbera Speed 12
450SEAC
S3 Cosworth Turbo
various Tuscan R's and T400's
take your pick!
Dont Forget tasmins... First run by Colin Blower and his indestructable Socks in the 80's
plus the 3000m
and the LE Mans Grantura ...
now that would be a grid...
Graham said:
john75 said:
So you could run a Tuscan R in this then ?
Cerbera GT3 (ex Rollcentre)
Cerbera GT2 (ex Techspeed)
Cerbera Speed 12
450SEAC
S3 Cosworth Turbo
various Tuscan R's and T400's
take your pick!
Dont Forget tasmins... First run by Colin Blower and his indestructable Socks in the 80's
plus the 3000m
and the LE Mans Grantura ...
now that would be a grid...
We could see 40 plus TVR's on the grid!
I ave now read the article and my view is that it is all a storm in a teacup. Apart from the headline which was unecessarily emotive, it all accords with what I have been told.
I suppose 'Tuscan Challenge extended to other TVRs' isn't as eye catching as 'Tuscans axed'.
The truth is that the Tuscan regs have allowed for T350/Sagaris to run as a different class for the last 2 years anyway - but TVR never managed to build one.
I have no idea whether TVR will allow Tasmins at one end of the spectrum or T400s at the other into the series, or how they intend to govern the classes etc etc.
I think it will be some time before the weapon of choice for an outright win is something other than a Tuscan Challenge car - but it will be good to move things forward and when a front running car does emerge then there can be a gradual shift towards it.
What is essential is that close racing is retained, and costs to competitors reduced to get grids back up.
Ironically the headline used would have been more appropriate 3 weeks ago when we were told TVR were not going to run the Challenge (although still provide support).
Its funny - I don't recall the headline 'Caterham R400s axed' when they announced they were combining the R400s and Roadsport A's the other week
I'm rather surprised anyone believes a single word that's written in Muttering News. Auto Express style 'journalism' at its worst most of the time - spouting sensationalist claptrap.
Might be quite amusing to let GT TVRs run derestricted in a TVR Championship, though. A little over 500PS, 1000kg and a proper aero kit would create a pretty rapid Tuscan R...
Might be quite amusing to let GT TVRs run derestricted in a TVR Championship, though. A little over 500PS, 1000kg and a proper aero kit would create a pretty rapid Tuscan R...
griff2be said:
flasher said:
I heard this a month ago so I dont know why anyone is denying it or worrying it's true. The dealers got served notice aswell but thats also supposed to be "top secret"....
Lets face it, it's about time the Tuscans were canned, lets all hope they replace it with something that involves a model of TVR we can associate with, ie: the ones we can buy....
What a helpful post. You are about a month out of date Flasher.
But thank you for your kind words of support.
I agree with Flasher, the Tuscans being unsupported by the factory next year was discussed at Thruxton.
As was the fact that new models would be delayed for quality improvements.
As was all of the dealers being given notice on their current contracts.
I was accused of talking rubbish and once again, like the 'Docik' saga its all coming true....
Bennno
>> Edited by bennno on Wednesday 22 September 23:22
bennno said:I agree with Griff2Be because Thruxton was a while ago and things have moved on. I heard before Oulton that things had changed and No.6 was at Oulton and is involved.
I agree with Flasher, the Tuscans being unsupported by the factory next year was discussed at Thruxton.
I reckon Flasher is as reliable as a Speed6 engine
.bennno said:
flasher said:
I heard this a month ago so I dont know why anyone is denying it or worrying it's true. The dealers got served notice aswell but thats also supposed to be "top secret"....
Lets face it, it's about time the Tuscans were canned, lets all hope they replace it with something that involves a model of TVR we can associate with, ie: the ones we can buy....
What a helpful post. You are about a month out of date Flasher.
But thank you for your kind words of support.
I agree with Flasher, the Tuscans being unsupported by the factory next year was discussed at Thruxton.
As was the fact that new models would be delayed for quality improvements.
As was all of the dealers being given notice on their current contracts.
I was accused of talking rubbish and once again, like the 'Docik' saga its all coming true....
Bennno
Ben and Andy - what are you trying to prove here?
Yes - at Thruxton TVR announced they would not run the Challenge themselves, but were happy to continue to provide engines, spares etc. This was disappointing but no secret and is discussed widely on other threads in the Tuscan Challenge forum.
What has been less widely published is that since then, TVR have reversed their decision to withdraw from National motorsport and instead will run and fully back a bigger, better and cheaper series for 2005 which will feature not just the Tuscans, but other TVRs. It has not been discussed widely because TVR have not yet finalised their plans.
If you want to go round saying 'this is no secret, I knew about it a month ago' then fine. You look slightly foolish, because so did everyone else on PH who read the relevant threads. Or was standing in our awning at Thruxton when it was discussed.
The big news is there will be a manufacturer run TVR race series next year. Which you (or I) won't have known about a month ago because the opposite was true.
All this 'I know something you don't' / 'I told you so' is a bit childish.
There are a small number of highly committed people who work very hard to race TVRs and want do so again in 2005 in a similar, highly competitive environment.
We'll get on with that and leave the verbal posturing to you lot who clearly know better.....
The fact is Andy, no matter how much you throw the toys out of the pram, it's no longer factory supported and will descend into the same thing as the "Tasmin banger racing challenge"
In my opinion it's long in the tooth and if TVR are going to back a race series it should be one which we can see current models rather than some old prototype that never actually hit the streets.
I hope what ever form of motorsport you do in the future that you are a success at, but I'll have a few quid with you that Tuscan racing wont exist in 18th months time. Stop taking it so personally mate.
In my opinion it's long in the tooth and if TVR are going to back a race series it should be one which we can see current models rather than some old prototype that never actually hit the streets.
I hope what ever form of motorsport you do in the future that you are a success at, but I'll have a few quid with you that Tuscan racing wont exist in 18th months time. Stop taking it so personally mate.
I feel the future is bright for Tuscans and TVR's in motorsport. Tuscans will be able to race at the front in 3 good series. The TVR Challenge, The TVRCC Challenge and Britcar. It should be remembered that 2 members on this site put in a good showing in the Topcats car and finished 2nd overall in Britcar.
flasher said:
The fact is Andy, no matter how much you throw the toys out of the pram, it's no longer factory supported and will descend into the same thing as the "Tasmin banger racing challenge"
This is the fundamental point on which we disagree. 4 weeks ago your point was fairly accurate. But now the Tuscans will be factory supported for 2005, in a series open to other racing TVRs.
It will be very interesting to see TVR's plans when the series is launched over the next few weeks. I can only report that TVR have told me (repeatedly) that the Tuscans are very much part of these plans.
That's why I find it odd that you keep telling me they are not Andy.
flasher said:
"Tasmin banger racing challenge"
Have you actually seen any of these races 1st hand?
If you did, I think you'd find that some of the cars are better turned out than a number of Tuscan Challenge cars, and the quality of racing is no different to most other club racing series, including Tuscans.
The TVRCC Challenge guys and girls are putting a lot of effort into a series which will allow TVRs to be raced, and I think it's pretty insulting to refer to them as "Tasmin banger racing".
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