so what would you do with Alonso if you were Ron

[shoestring7]

boony said:

C’mon, give Alonso a break. Before the FIA released the info, everyone was whining about Ferrari. Saying they were making it all up to try and get their own way. It turned out they were right all along.

Now it’s Alonso is getting all the grief. What about the engineers who used all the ill-gotten info? What’s going to happen to them?

Other than Coughlan (who was fired) no-one other than the two Spaniards have been shown to have had access to the Ferrari data.

SS7

[LocoBlade]

shoestring7 said:

What make you think that McLaren F1 has any shareholders that have a voice?

SS7

Errr, I'd say Mercedes Benz and Mansour Ojeh would have a voice given the amount they own! Im not sure if they are the only owners (along with Ron) or if there's another one in there too.

Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 16th September 17:27

[deadslow]

shoestring7 said:

boony said:

C’mon, give Alonso a break. Before the FIA released the info, everyone was whining about Ferrari. Saying they were making it all up to try and get their own way. It turned out they were right all along.

Now it’s Alonso is getting all the grief. What about the engineers who used all the ill-gotten info? What’s going to happen to them?

Other than Coughlan (who was fired) no-one other than the two Spaniards have been shown to have had access to the Ferrari data.

SS7

No. When asked they admitted to it. Nothing else is known. Your 'Spaniards' comment is distasteful.

[kevin ritson]

deadslow said:

shoestring7 said:

boony said:

C’mon, give Alonso a break. Before the FIA released the info, everyone was whining about Ferrari. Saying they were making it all up to try and get their own way. It turned out they were right all along.

Now it’s Alonso is getting all the grief. What about the engineers who used all the ill-gotten info? What’s going to happen to them?

Other than Coughlan (who was fired) no-one other than the two Spaniards have been shown to have had access to the Ferrari data.

SS7

No. When asked they admitted to it. Nothing else is known. Your 'Spaniards' comment is distasteful.

Erm, they're both Spanish or is 'Spaniard' an insult now? If he'd said the two men, would that be sexism against men?

Anyway, assuming Ron is being truthful (and pretty much everyone in F1 and motorsport with a valued opinion seems to think so - I don't include Max in that category), he has two options, appeal or cut the cancer out of his organisation.

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride. If Coughlin can go, then why can't Alonso and De La Rosa?

Edited by kevin ritson on Sunday 16th September 17:41

[stephen300o]

Alonso is contracted for next year right?, so I think Ron will let Alonso make the first move, as Ron doesn't want to pay Alonso off for breaking contract, if not let him stay, it can only get better and his bl**dy fast. Probably Alonso is going to go into a sulk sooner rather than later and leave at the end of the season.

[deadslow]

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

[kevin ritson]

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught, which is why Ron needs to remove them

Edited by kevin ritson on Sunday 16th September 17:59

[shoestring7]

deadslow said:

shoestring7 said:

boony said:

C’mon, give Alonso a break. Before the FIA released the info, everyone was whining about Ferrari. Saying they were making it all up to try and get their own way. It turned out they were right all along.

Now it’s Alonso is getting all the grief. What about the engineers who used all the ill-gotten info? What’s going to happen to them?

Other than Coughlan (who was fired) no-one other than the two Spaniards have been shown to have had access to the Ferrari data.

SS7

No. When asked they admitted to it. Nothing else is known. Your 'Spaniards' comment is distasteful.

All 140 McLaren engineers have signed affadavits confirming they had no knowledge of the Ferrari data. FRom the clearly exhaustive efforts of the Italian police and the FIA, all that has been proven is that Coughlan emailed De La Rosa (from Spain) who emailed Alonso (also from Spain) with detailed Ferrari data. Pound to a penny this was in Spanish - as you'd expect.

The original enquiry didn't extend to the drivers, which is why they weren't asked, and the emails didn't emerge until Alonso (from Spain) tried to leverage his knowledge (after the July WMSC - nice one)to get #1 status. Ron, clearly didn't beleive him and called his bluff, so Alonso and De La Rosa (both from Spain) gave the information to the FIA under amnesty.

So far. it has only been proven that Coughlan and the two Spaniards had direct access to Ferrari data.

SS7

[deadslow]

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught

You're having a larf.

No-one has been caught. Some have admitted (truthful), others have denied (possibly liars).

[Dunit]

There is no way Ron will sack him, Why give a rival team a driver of his talent for nothing. If things can not be patched he will probally have Alonso buy his way out of his contract to go. What figure 50 million dollars sounds about right.
Alonso could have been hoping to go for free if they had been banned.
Regarding the threat of the Emails to Ron its a good thing it came out when it did, for if Lewis beat him to the championship he could have well have dropped that bombshell then. Now that would have put the cat amongst the pigeons!!

[Pooh]

I would do all I could to ensure Hamilton wins the championship and then ditch Alonso at the end of the season, Alonso is fast but he is a liability in other ways.

[NightDriver]

I reckon Ron will want to put the teams success before any of his personnel feelings towards Alonso. Alonso is a quick driver and they both still have the same end goal, to win races. Unless Alonso decides himself that we wants to move I doubt Ron will be pushing him away until the contract is over.

[kevin ritson]

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught

You're having a larf.

No-one has been caught. Some have admitted (truthful), others have denied (possibly liars).

And you'd say that in a court of law would you?

[woof]

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught, which is why Ron needs to remove them

Edited by kevin ritson on Sunday 16th September 17:59

FFS - Kevin where have you been !
They've been fined for bringing the sport into disrepute - not cheating

To be perfectly frank - Mosley's comments on Saturday were just as damaging
Anyway the thread is about what RD should do with Alonso - so lets get back to that please !

[woof]

castrolcraig said:

actually i retract my previous statements about alonso being a race transporter driver.

i have a better idea, send him to prodrive and let him fester in the midfeild for a year

I wouldn't put that idea out of the equation - Mclaren B team in the A spec Mclaren car !

[deadslow]

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught

You're having a larf.

No-one has been caught. Some have admitted (truthful), others have denied (possibly liars).

And you'd say that in a court of law would you?

[quaking in my boots] err... yes, me ludd. After RD's call to the FIA, some admitted to possessing relevant evidence, others denied. Work it out. [/quaking in my boots]

[ELAN+2]

NightDriver said:

I reckon Ron will want to put the teams success before any of his personnel feelings towards Alonso. Alonso is a quick driver and they both still have the same end goal, to win races. Unless Alonso decides himself that we wants to move I doubt Ron will be pushing him away until the contract is over.

I agree with this, RD is a racer at heart and wants the two fastest drivers possible in the car, Lewis got the drive over Delarosa, because he proved to be faster, also he clearly shows no "awe" towards Alonso, I believe RD will still want Alonso in the car next year, rather than driving a competitors car. If Alonso wants to break his Mclaren contract, I'm sure that RD will make it as costly as possible for him to do so. If Lewis has the strength of character to beat Alonso to the title, I believe Alonso will want out, If Alonso wins, he'll want to stay.

If RD was to "sell" Alonso into a lesser team, he could be penalised for damaging the spectacle of F1, so this isn't going to happen. As for stitching Alonso up, so that he does lose the title, again RD would cop a penalty from Ferrari International Assistance. However a disgruntled mechanic could fumble a pit stop.... this would be impossible to prove/disprove and if it happened genuinely the whole world would expect foul play. Either way Mclaren will have the number one on thier car next year and be running from the wrong end of the pits in possibly the smallest garage with the least number of VIP passes. I'm not sure that the vast majority of posters on here realise just how damaging the penalty recieved was, or to its long term implications for the sport with regard to sponsors.

[kevin ritson]

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

deadslow said:

kevin ritson said:

If I were him I'd be convincing certain sponsors that they would rather integrity than national pride.

Forgive me, but haven't McL just been convicted of cheating?

3 McLaren employees have been caught

You're having a larf.

No-one has been caught. Some have admitted (truthful), others have denied (possibly liars).

And you'd say that in a court of law would you?

[quaking in my boots] err... yes, me ludd. After RD's call to the FIA, some admitted to possessing relevant evidence, others denied. Work it out. [/quaking in my boots]

I'm not asking you to be scared, just pointing out that if Ron isn't part of this, then he needs to remove those that are.

Wild speculation over who did or who didn't cheat/do anything out of the ordinary is being discussed on several other threads in this forum. I would openly wonder why someone would tell the FIA he is cheating if this is the case.

[deadslow]

kevin ritson said:

just pointing out that if Ron isn't part of this, then he needs to remove those that are.

I think Ron has just been fined $100m for cheating. I'm betting he will pay. No appeal. Do you follow F1?

[stephen300o]

Ron was seriously let down by a very small percent of his employees. I think the Ron v Mosley thing was a misunderstanding, Ron can be a funny so-n-so but I don't think his a liar.