What would the guy in 2nd place in Brazil do?

[Stuismyname]

308mate said:

Perhaps if there is a sniff of JB going to McLaren next year, he might be tempted to "feather his nest" somewhat as the FA and LH procession comes by...?

I think that's the only situation in which JB would even consider getting involved, but I don't think he'll end up at McLaren, and I don't think he'd do something like that anyway. I've criticised him as much as anyone, but I can't recall any incident of him being underhand on the track.

Moreover - leaving aside the sporting side of things - Hamilton's arrival has probably significantly reduced Button's stock in F1 in terms of sponsorship revenues and certainly in terms of TV exposure - would you help out a guy who'd cost you a fat wedge of cash to the extent of gifting him a world title? A world title you believe should've been yours before now?

Hamilton's going to have to do this on his own, but happily he's more than capable of doing just that.

[M3ax]

Alonso will aim his car at Lewis to try and push him into Kimi but he'll punt Kimi off by mistake and in the process rip his own front wing off while Hamilton cruises to finish line only to lose power at the final corner and roll to a stop 2 metres from the finish line giving Nico Rosberg his first win.

Right, back to work......

[Galileo]

M3ax said:

Alonso will aim his car at Lewis to try and push him into Kimi but he'll punt Kimi off by mistake and in the process rip his own front wing off while Hamilton cruises to finish line only to lose power at the final corner and roll to a stop 2 metres from the finish line giving Nico Rosberg his first win.

Right, back to Earth......

Edited for acuracy

[Galileo]

To answer the question, I think that there isn't a Racer on the planet that would concede second place to anybody for any reason, except team orders etc.
Being in a position to maybe win, if the guy in front has trouble? I wouldn't move over even if Jesus Christ himself were behind me. Letting someone beat you means your not a racer and would never have been able to work your way to the top.

[MrKipling43]

If Alonso wins, Hamilton can finish fifth and still take the title on points.

[stockhatcher]

i think it could happen, do you remember jerez 97, when hakkinen won, once it was assured schumi was out of the title. didn't wiliams/maclaren have some kind of pre race agreement, whereby in return for not getting involved in the title battle hakkinen was allowed to win. didn't both coulthard and villeneuve move over.

so if fonzo is first and say a williams is second, or possibly a renault, then its possible they might move over to allow hamilton to take second. from regies pov, alonso will defo go if he is not champion - a deal with fisico/kovi going the other way would benefit all parties, so a mistake might occur...

[stockhatcher]

MrKipling43 said:

If Alonso wins, Hamilton can finish fifth and still take the title on points.

he will have to finish 2nd

[toomuchbeer]

Baring in mind that Merc have issued a statement allowing McLaren to let FA go next year, I can feel a job interview happening on track in Brasil.

RD; 'right then chaps, we have a spare race seat going next season, so lets see how hungry you are, and let's be having a race to get FA off the track, first one to get him out of the race, gets to drive for us next year'

Come on JB........ just a little nudge should do the trick.

[R.P.M]

toomuchbeer said:

Baring in mind that Merc have issued a statement allowing McLaren to let FA go next year, I can feel a job interview happening on track in Brasil.

RD; 'right then chaps, we have a spare race seat going next season, so lets see how hungry you are, and let's be having a race to get FA off the track, first one to get him out of the race, gets to drive for us next year'

Come on JB........ just a little nudge should do the trick.

Do you think that big Ron really dosnt want Fonzo to win? If he really detested him, couldnt Ron give the orders to spalsh a bit of derv in his tank at a pitstop, rather than urging people to ram him off the track?

just a thought.
RPM

[flemke]

Galileo said:

To answer the question, I think that there isn't a Racer on the planet that would concede second place to anybody for any reason, except team orders etc.
Being in a position to maybe win, if the guy in front has trouble? I wouldn't move over even if Jesus Christ himself were behind me. Letting someone beat you means your not a racer and would never have been able to work your way to the top.

I'll accept the proposition that, in order to have reached the level of F1 driver, it helps to have had one or two personality defects, but I think you'll find that the actual individuals are not one-dimensional robots who are incapable of having more than a single motivation.

[toomuchbeer]

R.P.M said:

toomuchbeer said:

Baring in mind that Merc have issued a statement allowing McLaren to let FA go next year, I can feel a job interview happening on track in Brasil.

RD; 'right then chaps, we have a spare race seat going next season, so lets see how hungry you are, and let's be having a race to get FA off the track, first one to get him out of the race, gets to drive for us next year'

Come on JB........ just a little nudge should do the trick.

Do you think that big Ron really dosnt want Fonzo to win? If he really detested him, couldnt Ron give the orders to spalsh a bit of derv in his tank at a pitstop, rather than urging people to ram him off the track?

just a thought.
RPM

But that way, it could be traced back to McLaren and Ron......

for the avoidance of doubt....... it was light hearted, not to be taken serious.

[OrangeBob55]

There will be some 'very' pumped-up drivers out there on Sunday... All wanting to finish on a high... but you cannot rule out any 'tactics' aimed more at effecting any of the other drivers' race/season/championship.

Whichever way it goes, I think we are on for one very good race to end the season!

[mat205125]

Matt Neal isn't good enough for F1, and would block the engine intake even if he were

[Galileo]

flemke said:

Galileo said:

To answer the question, I think that there isn't a Racer on the planet that would concede second place to anybody for any reason, except team orders etc.
Being in a position to maybe win, if the guy in front has trouble? I wouldn't move over even if Jesus Christ himself were behind me. Letting someone beat you means your not a racer and would never have been able to work your way to the top.

I'll accept the proposition that, in order to have reached the level of F1 driver, it helps to have had one or two personality defects, but I think you'll find that the actual individuals are not one-dimensional robots who are incapable of having more than a single motivation.

I take it you've never raced?

Name one driver on the grid that you think would hold Hamilton's title chances above a potential race win. Any driver looking maybe to curry favour with Ron for next year? What do you think Ron would think of him. I think he would go down in Ron's estimation as a potential winner and champion. Moving over for Hamilton would do damage to a drivers reputation. And they would know that. So if anything I think anybody in second place would drive the race of their lives to stay in front of Hamilton to show the world how good they are.

[thewave]

I for one am very nervous about this race.

I personally don't think anyone in second place would entertain 'letting' LH through, far too much money at stake on each individual position, it's not just the driver, the whole team depend on good results. Any driver worth his salt should finish as best as they can, unless team orders dictate otherwise.

FA, LH and KR are all thoroughly worthy champions this year, yes, even Alsono, it's what they do on the track what counts, and at the end of the day, the points don't lie. Being English, i'd really love to see the homegrown lad take the win, but gut feeling is that it will ellude him, I hope I am wrong.

The fiasco involving RD, FA and Mr Mosley has not tainted the championship thankfully, and although I'd have loved to see LH lift the title the other week, fact of the matter is, this title has gone to the wire, we're all still talking about it, and it's been the most interesting season for a long time. Roll on Sunday, roll on next season.

Only shame is Mosley's handling of McLaren, unfortunately I don't think we will ever know the full facts, until this season is a long distant memory. No-one will buy the 'McLaren won with Ferrari data' though, and that's a major plus of any McLaren victory.

[coetzeeh]

thewave said:

I for one am very nervous about this race.

I personally don't think anyone in second place would entertain 'letting' LH through, far too much money at stake on each individual position, it's not just the driver, the whole team depend on good results. Any driver worth his salt should finish as best as they can, unless team orders dictate otherwise.

FA, LH and KR are all thoroughly worthy champions this year, yes, even Alsono, it's what they do on the track what counts, and at the end of the day, the points don't lie. Being English, i'd really love to see the homegrown lad take the win, but gut feeling is that it will ellude him, I hope I am wrong.

The fiasco involving RD, FA and Mr Mosley has not tainted the championship thankfully, and although I'd have loved to see LH lift the title the other week, fact of the matter is, this title has gone to the wire, we're all still talking about it, and it's been the most interesting season for a long time. Roll on Sunday, roll on next season.

Only shame is Mosley's handling of McLaren, unfortunately I don't think we will ever know the full facts, until this season is a long distant memory. No-one will buy the 'McLaren won with Ferrari data' though, and that's a major plus of any McLaren victory.

No need to be nervous. After all the speculation here the race is going to be a massive "anti climax".

LH will win pole, and lead from start to finish. FA will attempt to banzai LH in the first corner and end up in a hedge. Kimi finishes second and it all over till March '08. Watch this space!

[stephen300o]

Why would anyone presume a driver would want Hamilton to win over Alonso?, Webber says he's got his fingers crossed for Alonso and certainly non of "the monkey at the back" will want to help him out.

[Corky]

mchammer89 said:

andy_quantum said:

PM Matt Neal for the answers

[skeggysteve]

MrKipling43 said:

If Alonso wins, Hamilton can finish fifth and still take the title on points.

This may help:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I've bookmarked the second one to have open on Sunday afternoon - just in case

[MrKipling43]

stephen300o said:

Why would anyone presume a driver would want Hamilton to win over Alonso?, Webber says he's got his fingers crossed for Alonso and certainly non of "the monkey at the back" will want to help him out.

Yeah, but Webber's a tit.