so, who's was the Mousler that Hammond hit
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Simon Mason said:
Conian said:
Simon Mason said:
stuff...
Wow that's your real name! I thought for a moment it was a Green Wing reference 
Is your nickname 'shitting' ?
Conian said:
Simon Mason said:
Conian said:
Simon Mason said:
stuff...
Wow that's your real name! I thought for a moment it was a Green Wing reference Is your nickname 'shitting' ?
Simon Mason said:
Our car was running comfortable 2 hour 30 minute stints, with my first stint at 2 hours 50 to see what we could get from the tyres but heres the point, the only real issue in that duration is bordem! You become a bit of a Robot. Odd as it sounds you want to come in just to do something different.
Soon wake up when you catch another new patch of oil or a load of spilt gravel mid corner though.
Ditto to that...Soon wake up when you catch another new patch of oil or a load of spilt gravel mid corner though.
depends also on the car, Elise for 3 hours is (relativley) easy, ProSport for 3 hours is hard work, the driver loads are way higher...
Simon Mason said:
Our car was running comfortable 2 hour 30 minute stints, with my first stint at 2 hours 50 to see what we could get from the tyres but heres the point, the only real issue in that duration is bordem! You become a bit of a Robot. Odd as it sounds you want to come in just to do something different.
Soon wake up when you catch another new patch of oil or a load of spilt gravel mid corner though.
Less than 3 hours in a nice, warm car - pah Soon wake up when you catch another new patch of oil or a load of spilt gravel mid corner though.
Try 21 hours (8am Saturday - 5am Sunday) standing at the side of the track watching all these drivers having the time of their lives - bah humbug
2priestsferrari said:
RichB said:
2priestsferrari said:
Yeah but your man has a point. They arrive with almost no experience then lark around in a drivers briefing that if it was designed for anyone it was these clowns etc. etc.
So according to those who were there this was not the case.As for them not doing a bad job. I lost count of the number of times that car left the circuit in the short pieces of film shown the other night, and they were off the pace. The car was not in the slowest class and yet apart from when BC was driving at times its pace was 2m 30s +
They managed to fit a 24 hour motor race, and preparaion for it into an hour show. Well sort of because didn;t they also have other sections in the show as well?
So they probably showed around 20 minutes of track action, which will have been chosen for its interest to the viewers.
Scuffers said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I might be wrong but the incident looked liked it happened coming onto the Hanger straight with the Mosler overtaking on Hammonds left, if so I can't see why the Mosler couldn't have waited until the straight before trying to go through there. It was after all a 24hr race, not a 12 lap sprint.
LOL!it was at Vale, so what straight (unless you call club corner a straight?
and I take it from your comments that you have not run in a 24H race before?
the mistake was NOT allowing for a car to be following the one that's just passed you and trying to move back onto line into a corner...
Spoken to Verge and he tells me the TG car exited chapel and he touched the grasscrete kerb on the outside and then Hammond made a decision to move violently to the left to take his line into Stowe, half a mile away and collecting him in the process. It was an very erratic move that no-one could have anticipated and spoiled an attempt for the podium from one of the front runners.
The fact that Hammond thinks it was a "racing incident" rather than a bloody idiotic move by him says volumes about his ability or (more likely) his slyness at not admitting it was a very crap bit of driving.
Poor Michael.
sfaulds said:
PMSL -Racing driver in "It was the other guys fault!" shocker.
Except that there was only one racing driver involved in this incident and it robbed the event of a potential car that could have challenged for the overall win. Its a sad day IMO that we have great sympathy for the little guy and those that are "just having a go" but no regard for those that are in it to win and therefore (i would argue), build the event overall and put on a show....
You're right, they should just let the five cars that have a chance of the overall win race on their own for the 24 hours so that there could be no chance of this happening. I'm sure it would be a great spectacle. Maybe the guys who race the Civics and M3s that get in the way could still donate their entry fees to make sure it all goes ahead.
Edited by SimonY on Wednesday 19th December 02:15
SimonY said:
You're right, they should just let the five cars that have a chance of the overall win race on their own for the 24 hours so that there could be no chance of this happening. I'm sure it would be a great spectacle. Maybe the guys who race the Civics and M3s that get in the way could still donate their entry fees to make sure it all goes ahead.
Are you a next tuesday? I haven't even implyed that. Just making a comment that the general view is (as re-enforced by your post!) that people racing hard for the win are viewed with disdain.No and in fact racing hard for the (class or overall) win is the only place I'd personally want to be. I have sympathy for both parties involved - I imagine mistakes are easy to make in these situations. But I didn't like the tone of your post or (particularly) the one with Michael Vergers description of what happened above. I think Britcar is very much a driver's, not spectator's series with little financial or publicity reward, and as such I would say all of the competitors are equally important.
Edited by SimonY on Wednesday 19th December 02:29
Edited by SimonY on Wednesday 19th December 02:30
2priestsferrari said:
sfaulds said:
PMSL -Racing driver in "It was the other guys fault!" shocker.
Except that there was only one racing driver involved in this incident and it robbed the event of a potential car that could have challenged for the overall win. Its a sad day IMO that we have great sympathy for the little guy and those that are "just having a go" but no regard for those that are in it to win and therefore (i would argue), build the event overall and put on a show....
I saw a bloke with: a race license
a race car
on a race track
in a race.
not a professional race driver but a race driver non the less.
TG were in it for the win. unlikely yes but they were still going there to win not just ponce about and make up the numbers.
Edited by ZeeTacoe on Wednesday 19th December 02:51
I agree with SimonY that Britcar is a drivers series and everyone deserves equal respect but as I said earlier the majority of stuff is anything but treating everyone equally. The general media reporting of this was utter guff and completely mis-represented what happened. Then we have those who see the Mosler as making a rash, over-enthuiastic move. Hence Phatgixer's post...
Of course everyone is equal but there are some differences built in the licencing system that ensure, if nothing else, safety of the individual and those racing with him.
We all seem to agree that a 24hr race is difficult and perhaps tougher than a 10 lapper of Mallory, yet Hammond who took Vergers out had never even lapped Silverstone!!
ZeeT - you are entitled to your opinion. Personally I don't think that filling a form at the MSA and completing an ARDS test makes you a racing driver.
Of course everyone is equal but there are some differences built in the licencing system that ensure, if nothing else, safety of the individual and those racing with him.
We all seem to agree that a 24hr race is difficult and perhaps tougher than a 10 lapper of Mallory, yet Hammond who took Vergers out had never even lapped Silverstone!!
ZeeT - you are entitled to your opinion. Personally I don't think that filling a form at the MSA and completing an ARDS test makes you a racing driver.
2priestsferrari said:
Of course everyone is equal but there are some differences built in the licencing system that ensure, if nothing else, safety of the individual and those racing with him.
...and the EERC choose to run as National B and to run the 24 as National B. I know a number of folks who won't/don't run in Britcar because they consider the risk of a novice in a powerful car is too great for them to want to risk the potential damage.
However, those that choose to run knowing that it is Nat B and that there are novices (you can see them by the cross on the back) surely pays their money and takes their chances....
ZeeTacoe said:
2priestsferrari said:
sfaulds said:
PMSL -Racing driver in "It was the other guys fault!" shocker.
Except that there was only one racing driver involved in this incident and it robbed the event of a potential car that could have challenged for the overall win. Its a sad day IMO that we have great sympathy for the little guy and those that are "just having a go" but no regard for those that are in it to win and therefore (i would argue), build the event overall and put on a show....
I saw a bloke with: a race license
a race car
on a race track
in a race.
not a professional race driver but a race driver non the less.
TG were in it for the win. unlikely yes but they were still going there to win not just ponce about and make up the numbers.
Edited by ZeeTacoe on Wednesday 19th December 02:51
castrolcraig said:
ZeeTacoe said:
2priestsferrari said:
sfaulds said:
PMSL -Racing driver in "It was the other guys fault!" shocker.
Except that there was only one racing driver involved in this incident and it robbed the event of a potential car that could have challenged for the overall win. Its a sad day IMO that we have great sympathy for the little guy and those that are "just having a go" but no regard for those that are in it to win and therefore (i would argue), build the event overall and put on a show....
I saw a bloke with: a race license
a race car
on a race track
in a race.
not a professional race driver but a race driver non the less.
TG were in it for the win. unlikely yes but they were still going there to win not just ponce about and make up the numbers.
Edited by ZeeTacoe on Wednesday 19th December 02:51
IMHO
gallardoman
Simon Mason said:
Conian said:
Simon Mason said:
Conian said:
Simon Mason said:
stuff...
Wow that's your real name! I thought for a moment it was a Green Wing reference Is your nickname 'shitting' ?
vojx said:
castrolcraig said:
ZeeTacoe said:
2priestsferrari said:
sfaulds said:
PMSL -Racing driver in "It was the other guys fault!" shocker.
Except that there was only one racing driver involved in this incident and it robbed the event of a potential car that could have challenged for the overall win. Its a sad day IMO that we have great sympathy for the little guy and those that are "just having a go" but no regard for those that are in it to win and therefore (i would argue), build the event overall and put on a show....
I saw a bloke with: a race license
a race car
on a race track
in a race.
not a professional race driver but a race driver non the less.
TG were in it for the win. unlikely yes but they were still going there to win not just ponce about and make up the numbers.
Edited by ZeeTacoe on Wednesday 19th December 02:51
IMHO
gallardoman
Lets agree to disagree. I just don't think any billy filling out his MSA licence form and completing a couple of laps of Silverstone south circuit/Mallory/where ever during his ARDS test is suddenly a racing driver.
Either way its not important. The Britcar 24hr is what it is and a debate here won't change anything.
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