2023: BTCC chat & discussion

[Milkyway]

agent006 said:

Looks like Team Hard asked all their drivers for more cash mid season in order to continue racing. Commentary yesterday suggested Rob Huff will be in the car for the remaining rounds.

I do wonder how many cars Team Hard will be bringing next season. Can't help but think 4 is a feasible maximum.

I agree about a Team being limited to running a max of four cars.

[DanCam]

WosMyName said:

Question for DanCam , was there any chance of taking Sam Osborne's car for the weekend ?

It was mentioned somewhere but obviously didn't happen .

I did hear it mentioned at one point but to be honest I wouldn’t have been comfortable with that. Sam is having his best season to date and has a chance of his own silverware with the Jack Sears trophy.

For me the option was to use a spare chassis (which we and a number of other teams do have).

Unfortunately TOCA rules do not allow this currently. We had other teams offering to help if at all possible which was great but there was no movement in the rules. As previously stated once you have started practice you are locked in.

I hope going forward a compromise can be found to keep drivers on the grid for Sunday when possible.

[hammo19]

Just finished watching this weekends racing at Donnington. What a great championship the BTCC is. Really felt for Dan Lloyd he had driven a superb race. The reverse grid race is always a cliff hanger. Thanks to all the drivers for making the championship so entertaining.

[The Wookie]

cuprabob said:

That's good and best of luck for the rest of the season.

[freedman]

SpudLink said:

I have to say, I think the GP loop makes the racing better at Donington.
I did a trackday with the loop earlier this month, and the three extra corners are all preferable to the chicane on the shorter circuit.

As a trackday layout, I far prefer the national circuit, the GP loop offers nothing, and the national chicane is nice when you get it right

I can understand the GP loop can add opportunity and interest when racing though

[Milkyway]

Silverstone next, which is my least favourite Circuit.
Although it is the Spiritual home of British Motorsport, they couldn’t have designed a duller track.

I reckon Thruxton with an infield section would be interesting... a combination of ultra fast & technical sections.
A completely different circuit.

Crying shame that two great circuits like Goodwood & Cadwell can’t be used.
(Or have a Non Championship weekend, just for the Touring Cars... ANY Minis & Legends would be welcome too)

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:27

[CKY]

freedman said:

SpudLink said:

I have to say, I think the GP loop makes the racing better at Donington.
I did a trackday with the loop earlier this month, and the three extra corners are all preferable to the chicane on the shorter circuit.

As a trackday layout, I far prefer the national circuit, the GP loop offers nothing, and the national chicane is nice when you get it right

I can understand the GP loop can add opportunity and interest when racing though

Same here, just extra tarmac for distance's sake IMO. Back in the old pre-war days when the road would have continued past the current hairpin, gone over a blind crest round a slight curve in to a braking zone then I can see it would have been a fun challenge. As the Melbourne Hairpin sits currently it offers nothing other than a chance to hang the arse out in something RWD for me.

[SpudLink]

CKY said:

As the Melbourne Hairpin sits currently it offers nothing other than a chance to hang the arse out in something RWD for me.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

[Smollet]

SpudLink said:

CKY said:

As the Melbourne Hairpin sits currently it offers nothing other than a chance to hang the arse out in something RWD for me.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Quite. However having fun is frowned upon these days by some

[Milkyway]

CKY said:

Same here, just extra tarmac for distance's sake IMO. Back in the old pre-war days when the road would have continued past the current hairpin, gone over a blind crest round a slight curve in to a braking zone then I can see it would have been a fun challenge. As the Melbourne Hairpin sits currently it offers nothing other than a chance to hang the arse out in something RWD for me.

To quote Ash Sutton... “MEGA”!.
They can also replace the Dunlop & Starkeys bridge while they are at it... part of Donington’s character.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 15:50

[tardelli]

Milkyway said:

To quote Ash Sutton... “MEGA”!.
They can also replace the Dunlop & Starkeys bridge while they are at it... part of Donington character.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:38

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:41

Doesn't Chris Evans own the Dunlop bridge now?

[Milkyway]

tardelli said:

Doesn't Chris Evans own the Dunlop bridge now?

That’s what’s I heard on ITV.... a nice garden feature.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 15:52

[ribiero]

Milkyway said:

I reckon Thruxton with an infield section would be interesting... a combination of ultra fast & technical sections.
A completely different circuit.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:27

the airfield might disagree

[emicen]

ribiero said:

Milkyway said:

I reckon Thruxton with an infield section would be interesting... a combination of ultra fast & technical sections.
A completely different circuit.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:27

the airfield might disagree

Reality has no place in BTCC threads.

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

Milkyway said:

Silverstone next, which is my least favourite Circuit.
Although it is the Spiritual home of British Motorsport, they couldn’t have designed a duller track.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:27

I wonder why they don't use the GP circuit? Actually I have an idea why, but even so I think the BTCC through the Maggots/Becketts complex would be good.

[Milkyway]

emicen said:

ribiero said:

Milkyway said:

I reckon Thruxton with an infield section would be interesting... a combination of ultra fast & technical sections.
A completely different circuit.

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 30th August 12:27

the airfield might disagree

Reality has no place in BTCC threads.

Just cancel any air traffic movements for the weekend(s).

[agent006]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

I wonder why they don't use the GP circuit? Actually I have an idea why, but even so I think the BTCC through the Maggots/Becketts complex would be good.

Back in the supertouring days they used the slightly longer (international?) Silverstone layout so they'd go out to Abbey and then back under the bridge into the complex. Remember the grandstand at abbey being a great viewing point with tons of action and a good view.

I heard a quote from Alan Gow (on TinTop Tuesday podcast I think), that he doesn't like to use the longer circuit layouts as it's less interesting for spectators at the track, bigger gaps between the cars coming past each lap.


I really enjoyed the longer Donington layout last weekend, it breaks the advantage of getting the inside line at Macleans and through coppice meaning a certain run into the chicane. Instead, coming out of coppice on the inside puts you on the wrong line for overtaking onto the GP loop. Makes the racing better.

[DanielSan]

agent006 said:

Back in the supertouring days they used the slightly longer (international?) Silverstone layout so they'd go out to Abbey and then back under the bridge into the complex. Remember the grandstand at abbey being a great viewing point with tons of action and a good view.

I heard a quote from Alan Gow (on TinTop Tuesday podcast I think), that he doesn't like to use the longer circuit layouts as it's less interesting for spectators at the track, bigger gaps between the cars coming past each lap.

Not sure how true it is but to use the other layout would also require using the new put building and apparently Silverstone charge more to use that....

[Sebring440]

DanielSan said:

Not sure how true it is but to use the other layout would also require using the new put building and apparently Silverstone charge more to use that....

Apparently?

That layout was to be used in 2020 as Silverstone was on the original BTCC calendar twice that year. But then something happened.

[CKY]

agent006 said:

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

I wonder why they don't use the GP circuit? Actually I have an idea why, but even so I think the BTCC through the Maggots/Becketts complex would be good.

Back in the supertouring days they used the slightly longer (international?) Silverstone layout so they'd go out to Abbey and then back under the bridge into the complex. Remember the grandstand at abbey being a great viewing point with tons of action and a good view.

I heard a quote from Alan Gow (on TinTop Tuesday podcast I think), that he doesn't like to use the longer circuit layouts as it's less interesting for spectators at the track, bigger gaps between the cars coming past each lap.


I really enjoyed the longer Donington layout last weekend, it breaks the advantage of getting the inside line at Macleans and through coppice meaning a certain run into the chicane. Instead, coming out of coppice on the inside puts you on the wrong line for overtaking onto the GP loop. Makes the racing better.

That's a good point to be fair, I never thought much of the old International layout at Silverstone, but the GP support races used to be great; no doubt the teams/drivers tried hard to win for their respective marques on the 'global stage', but I always thought the GP track provided great racing.