Hamilton getting too big headed

[G Man]

IforB said:

I just wish we had an "old school" driver like Hunt in the team. He'd have just had a fight then a tab and a drink and it would all be forgotten!

Hunt the Shunt would have just stuffed it up the inside at the first corner collecting them both, he would then jump out the car, and sort up the other driver

[anonymous-user]

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

Indeed, but they were the first two, and have been for some time, Ron could organise who is first of the two he has control over.

I think you missed my point.

Maybe, please explain your point to me.

If the team had held back Hamilton to allow Alonso to be first they might have ended up being less than first or second i.e. behind someone else. KR and Massa perhaps.

Ok thanks, i didn't miss your point, and my response is the same as i made originally.

Then I have missed your point perhaps you would explain.

certainly sir. (is that deuce or 30/40? )

My point was that Ron had the ability to control which of his drivers left the pit garage first. It didnt matter which of those he released first because the cars were able to roll before any other teams cars were anyway, so even if alonso had left first, hamilton had time to slot in behind him before kimi arived. They then have the potential to sit at the pit exit as long as they want to, because the 2007 McLaren is designed to be able to do that.

As Flemke sugests, Ron didnt think he needed to be that controlling, because he expected the drivers to be able to sort things out on the out lap and swap places to the pre-ordaned positions, but as it transpired he was wrong to think that. Depending on who's logic you follow, Hamilton or Alonso or Ron helped with the cockup that unfolded during Q3.

So my sugestion would be that in future, you may find the team controlling who is in the pitlane first, to stop any issues arising in this respect, or the team may just not care who's turn it is to lead from now on, and let the race engineers battle the refuel and Q3 preps between them, the fastest turnaround gets the front running position.

[jules_s]

I dont think LH is arrogant, he simply lacks any sense of humility whatsoever.

Personally, If I was given a top seat I would consider it a privilege....I certainly would ignore the wishes of the team. He seems blindly selfish in that respect, and what was more irritating was his seemingly endless name checking/thanking the 'team' (whilst wearing a smug grin) after his actions had cost the team the constructors points.

I said on another forum that I wasn't 'warming' to LH, nothing has changed after last weekend.

[anonymous-user]

jules_s said:

I certainly would ignore the wishes of the team.

You would? The standard of writing in this country is apauling, thats twice today i've noted people writing the complete oposite of what they mean.

(well either that or you have a mental illness involving two personalities)

[jules_s]

johnfelstead said:

jules_s said:

I certainly would ignore the wishes of the team.

You would? The standard of writing in this country is apauling, thats twice today i've noted people writing the complete oposite of what they mean.

(well either that or you have a mental illness involving two personalities)

True,

Very sorry, it's been a long old day

PS: People with glass houses etc etc

[anonymous-user]

grow fabulous tomatoes?

[ellroy]

I'm not sure if he's getting big headed or not, nor do i really care, a British sportsman achieving something on the world stage after the rest of the mediocrity we have had to suffer in recent times deserves our support.

On a side note in the interview after qualifying he appeared to do that Peter Kay thing where you pretend to scrach your face, but actually flick off the chap next you. If so not sporting certainly, but higly ammusing.

[SuperKartRacer]

johnfelstead said:

grow fabulous tomatoes?

Grow morons? sorry melons

Coat - exit

[sjn2004]

According to Globo (brasil), Ferrari are offering LH 35millionUS next year to replace Massa.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL83...

[coetzeeh]

sjn2004 said:

According to Globo (brasil), Ferrari are offering LH 35millionUS next year to replace Massa.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL83...

Thats called twisting the knife

[900T-R]

johnfelstead said:

The standard of writing in this country is apauling

Oh the irony...

[coetzeeh]

900T-R said:

johnfelstead said:

The standard of writing in this country is apauling

Oh the irony...

900T-R, your comment caught me off guard, I am wiping the tears away...very funny!

[RobbieMeister]

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

Indeed, but they were the first two, and have been for some time, Ron could organise who is first of the two he has control over.

I think you missed my point.

Maybe, please explain your point to me.

If the team had held back Hamilton to allow Alonso to be first they might have ended up being less than first or second i.e. behind someone else. KR and Massa perhaps.

Ok thanks, i didn't miss your point, and my response is the same as i made originally.

Then I have missed your point perhaps you would explain.

certainly sir. (is that deuce or 30/40? )

My point was that Ron had the ability to control which of his drivers left the pit garage first. It didnt matter which of those he released first because the cars were able to roll before any other teams cars were anyway, so even if alonso had left first, hamilton had time to slot in behind him before kimi arived..............

With respect, I have to disagree.

The only way you can make the above statement is with hindsight. At the time there was no way Mclaren could have known how soon another team would be able to release thier car.

Indeed, if my memory serves me correctly KR was behind LH and FA was to the right of both.

[RobbieMeister]

RobbieMeister said:

On another point;

Who got the stewards involved?

I have heard it said it was Lewis or his Dad.

Can anyone confirm that?

[RobbieMeister]

Quote:

Alonso told Spanish radio Cadena SER that he was astonished not only by his team-mate's outburst on the radio with Ron Dennis on Saturday but at how Hamilton actually instigated the complaint to the stewards about the delayed qualifying pit stop.

Alonso said: "We went to complain about ourselves. We were one and two in qualifying but it was one of the most surreal moments I have experienced in F1.
"

Hamilton, however, denied asking the stewards to investigate the matter, despite members of the press finding him in conversation with one of the FIA representatives after qualifying.

"I was downstairs and one of the stewards was there but we didn't really discuss it," he said.

[anonymous-user]

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

Indeed, but they were the first two, and have been for some time, Ron could organise who is first of the two he has control over.

I think you missed my point.

Maybe, please explain your point to me.

If the team had held back Hamilton to allow Alonso to be first they might have ended up being less than first or second i.e. behind someone else. KR and Massa perhaps.

Ok thanks, i didn't miss your point, and my response is the same as i made originally.

Then I have missed your point perhaps you would explain.

certainly sir. (is that deuce or 30/40? )

My point was that Ron had the ability to control which of his drivers left the pit garage first. It didnt matter which of those he released first because the cars were able to roll before any other teams cars were anyway, so even if alonso had left first, hamilton had time to slot in behind him before kimi arived..............

With respect, I have to disagree.

The only way you can make the above statement is with hindsight. At the time there was no way Mclaren could have known how soon another team would be able to release thier car.

Indeed, if my memory serves me correctly KR was behind LH and FA was to the right of both.

Kimi was behind Alonso but directly in line with Hamilton in the normal pitlane exit lane, Alonso was not directly behind Hamilton but behind and to his right on the secondary pit exit lane, in a stagered formation similar to the grid slots. The fact that Alonso came out second onto the track should tell you enough about who was in what order, even if you hadnt seen the footage of them waiting in the pits for the track session to begin.

Not so much hindsight but using what we have seen all season long so far, a McLaren at the front of the queue for Q3. Considering they are not the team in the garage nearest the pit exit, that should give you a clue as to how quickly they are able to release their cars into the pitlane compared to their rivals.

Not that it has mattered all season long, quite often Alonso has waited until the rest of the cars are on track, then been released onto the track half a lap out of sync of the other runners. It apears in the past Alonso didnt care about who ran first, he just wanted clean air. That strategy has allowed hamilton to gain a lap on him in the fuel burn phase (and the entire field, he has often sprinted in the first phase of Q3 to gain that extra laps credit). Alonso in the last race decided he wanted some of that, it's a shame then that he went off the track with Kimi behind him, got tangled up in a fight with Kimi that left him giving way to him, losing track time, then got held in the pits longer than he expected to get him back in sync, then that went pete tong with the tyre blanket cockup losing him yet more time, then being held again for a long time to get him back in sync yet again, then having a toy throwing moment to finish off the session in style.

The main point i was making, was that it is within the teams control to sort the running order out, prior to them getting into the pitlane queue.

[anonymous-user]

RobbieMeister said:

Quote:

Alonso told Spanish radio Cadena SER that he was astonished not only by his team-mate's outburst on the radio with Ron Dennis on Saturday but at how Hamilton actually instigated the complaint to the stewards about the delayed qualifying pit stop.

Alonso said: "We went to complain about ourselves. We were one and two in qualifying but it was one of the most surreal moments I have experienced in F1.
"

Hamilton, however, denied asking the stewards to investigate the matter, despite members of the press finding him in conversation with one of the FIA representatives after qualifying.

"I was downstairs and one of the stewards was there but we didn't really discuss it," he said.

It's normal for the drivers to talk with the FIA people post the race and qualy, they do it every time they get out of the cars, they have to get weighed by them. You will always see the FIA personel in parce ferme, the weighbridge and behind the podium in the prep room.

[thewave]

Just reading through, it seems whatever is going on, everyone's talking about it.

I personally don't care what's happening, it's all good to watch, and it makes it all the more interesting doesn't it? Seriously it does, you're all enjoying discussing the finer points of the weekends' events, thank you Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso

Who wants to watch an event where the outcome is more or less inevitable.

PS Hamilton is 22, when I was his age, I loved myself too. Arrogance is a trait all the greatest competitors have. Not just in motor racing, but see Thierry Henry on a pitch, totally different to his personal lifestyle, from what I hear, Hamilton is a nice lad too. We all change when we step up to our playing field of choice, winning is everything, you need to believe you are capable of that winning first, then deliver the goods.

[RobbieMeister]

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

Indeed, but they were the first two, and have been for some time, Ron could organise who is first of the two he has control over.

I think you missed my point.

Maybe, please explain your point to me.

If the team had held back Hamilton to allow Alonso to be first they might have ended up being less than first or second i.e. behind someone else. KR and Massa perhaps.

Ok thanks, i didn't miss your point, and my response is the same as i made originally.

Then I have missed your point perhaps you would explain.

certainly sir. (is that deuce or 30/40? )

My point was that Ron had the ability to control which of his drivers left the pit garage first. It didnt matter which of those he released first because the cars were able to roll before any other teams cars were anyway, so even if alonso had left first, hamilton had time to slot in behind him before kimi arived..............

With respect, I have to disagree.

The only way you can make the above statement is with hindsight. At the time there was no way Mclaren could have known how soon another team would be able to release thier car.

Indeed, if my memory serves me correctly KR was behind LH and FA was to the right of both.

Kimi was behind Alonso but directly in line with Hamilton in the normal pitlane exit lane, Alonso was not directly behind Hamilton but behind and to his right on the secondary pit exit lane, in a stagered formation similar to the grid slots. The fact that Alonso came out second onto the track should tell you enough about who was in what order, even if you hadnt seen the footage of them waiting in the pits for the track session to begin.

Not so much hindsight but using what we have seen all season long so far, a McLaren at the front of the queue for Q3. Considering they are not the team in the garage nearest the pit exit, that should give you a clue as to how quickly they are able to release their cars into the pitlane compared to their rivals.

Not that it has mattered all season long, quite often Alonso has waited until the rest of the cars are on track, then been released onto the track half a lap out of sync of the other runners. It apears in the past Alonso didnt care about who ran first, he just wanted clean air. That strategy has allowed hamilton to gain a lap on him in the fuel burn phase (and the entire field, he has often sprinted in the first phase of Q3 to gain that extra laps credit). Alonso in the last race decided he wanted some of that, it's a shame then that he went off the track with Kimi behind him, got tangled up in a fight with Kimi that left him giving way to him, losing track time, then got held in the pits longer than he expected to get him back in sync, then that went pete tong with the tyre blanket cockup losing him yet more time, then being held again for a long time to get him back in sync yet again, then having a toy throwing moment to finish off the session in style.

The main point i was making, was that it is within the teams control to sort the running order out, prior to them getting into the pitlane queue.

You're making it up as you go along.

[anonymous-user]

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

RobbieMeister said:

johnfelstead said:

Indeed, but they were the first two, and have been for some time, Ron could organise who is first of the two he has control over.

I think you missed my point.

Maybe, please explain your point to me.

If the team had held back Hamilton to allow Alonso to be first they might have ended up being less than first or second i.e. behind someone else. KR and Massa perhaps.

Ok thanks, i didn't miss your point, and my response is the same as i made originally.

Then I have missed your point perhaps you would explain.

certainly sir. (is that deuce or 30/40? )

My point was that Ron had the ability to control which of his drivers left the pit garage first. It didnt matter which of those he released first because the cars were able to roll before any other teams cars were anyway, so even if alonso had left first, hamilton had time to slot in behind him before kimi arived..............

With respect, I have to disagree.

The only way you can make the above statement is with hindsight. At the time there was no way Mclaren could have known how soon another team would be able to release thier car.

Indeed, if my memory serves me correctly KR was behind LH and FA was to the right of both.

Kimi was behind Alonso but directly in line with Hamilton in the normal pitlane exit lane, Alonso was not directly behind Hamilton but behind and to his right on the secondary pit exit lane, in a stagered formation similar to the grid slots. The fact that Alonso came out second onto the track should tell you enough about who was in what order, even if you hadnt seen the footage of them waiting in the pits for the track session to begin.

Not so much hindsight but using what we have seen all season long so far, a McLaren at the front of the queue for Q3. Considering they are not the team in the garage nearest the pit exit, that should give you a clue as to how quickly they are able to release their cars into the pitlane compared to their rivals.

Not that it has mattered all season long, quite often Alonso has waited until the rest of the cars are on track, then been released onto the track half a lap out of sync of the other runners. It apears in the past Alonso didnt care about who ran first, he just wanted clean air. That strategy has allowed hamilton to gain a lap on him in the fuel burn phase (and the entire field, he has often sprinted in the first phase of Q3 to gain that extra laps credit). Alonso in the last race decided he wanted some of that, it's a shame then that he went off the track with Kimi behind him, got tangled up in a fight with Kimi that left him giving way to him, losing track time, then got held in the pits longer than he expected to get him back in sync, then that went pete tong with the tyre blanket cockup losing him yet more time, then being held again for a long time to get him back in sync yet again, then having a toy throwing moment to finish off the session in style.

The main point i was making, was that it is within the teams control to sort the running order out, prior to them getting into the pitlane queue.

You're making it up as you go along.

Which part of this is made up?