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Another test day yesterday. First time he has had a good go in the car in the dry. Not a lot of other cars there either, so we got plenty of runs in. He has some video to upload but I don't think it's worked that well with the bright sunlight.
Tyres certainly got worked hard!
Update on overall costs so far: -
Costs so far:
Equipment - £4195
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses £700
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Clothing / Safety - £950
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £570.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
TOTAL £6605
Tyres certainly got worked hard!
Update on overall costs so far: -
Costs so far:
Equipment - £4195
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses £700
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Clothing / Safety - £950
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £570.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
TOTAL £6605
avenger286 said:
The costs really do add up quite quickly don't they.
They certainly do! I think we might yet sneak in under or original estimate of £10k for the first season if we can avoid any major catastrophe with the car.Test day number 2 uploaded. Camera position isn't the greatest but I think (biased though) it shows good improvement in his gear changing. He's using heel & toe on the downshifts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aW5DjXrk_Iw
He gave himself a bit of a fright here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EkkiqpJ10
Dan BSCS said:
Try and get him to shuffle the wheel less. It's very easy to get confused where the wheels are pointing if you move your hands so much.
An excellent point, thanks. He actually pulled himself up on it when watching back all the videos from the day, so yes, something to keep a watch on the next time we are out.ReverendCounter said:
Bit of a ridiculously off topic question, but does/did your dog's name begin with 'M' by any chance?
I used to know a lad in the AA who had a border collie from a puppy who had a straight black/white line down her face. Had to give her up, though.
Hmmmnn... Name doesn't start with M, but we got her as a rescue dog with no known history. Had her 4 years now. They thought she was around 2 when we get her.I used to know a lad in the AA who had a border collie from a puppy who had a straight black/white line down her face. Had to give her up, though.
Thanks.
Pleased to report the BARS test was passed and he now holds a junior MSA Licence.
A nice little confidence boost in the afternoon Autotest too. He got 3 trophies. Fastest in section 1, fastest in section 2/3 and fastest junior time of the day!
More spend to add to the total
6 tyres £520
MSA logbook for the car £43
That's us all set for the first rally in 2 weeks time at Ingliston.
Pleased to report the BARS test was passed and he now holds a junior MSA Licence.
A nice little confidence boost in the afternoon Autotest too. He got 3 trophies. Fastest in section 1, fastest in section 2/3 and fastest junior time of the day!
More spend to add to the total
6 tyres £520
MSA logbook for the car £43
That's us all set for the first rally in 2 weeks time at Ingliston.
Edited by JZZ30 on Monday 12th March 11:23
Round 1 of the Junior Rally championship this weekend at Ingliston. Seems like only yesterday that Jack had his first drive in the car!
We fitted new driveshafts (£100) to the car in preperation and while under the car noticed the drive belts (Warter pump, Alternator etc.) looked in pretty poor condition so we replaced those too (£25)
Total spend getting us to this point is £6990.00. Add on the fee for this weekends event and we are at £7240.00.
Expensive, but we were starting from scratch. We are loving every minute of it.
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £250.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 plus travel
Equipment - £3955.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Repairs/Maintenance - £645.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £550.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
TOTAL £7240
We fitted new driveshafts (£100) to the car in preperation and while under the car noticed the drive belts (Warter pump, Alternator etc.) looked in pretty poor condition so we replaced those too (£25)
Total spend getting us to this point is £6990.00. Add on the fee for this weekends event and we are at £7240.00.
Expensive, but we were starting from scratch. We are loving every minute of it.
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £250.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 plus travel
Equipment - £3955.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Repairs/Maintenance - £645.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £550.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
TOTAL £7240
avenger286 said:
Good luck tomorrow. Mate who has an MK1 Escort that I work on is up there today.
Thanks. Jack's co-driver was navigating in a Mk1 Escort - they finished as quickest 2 wheel drive on the Saturday.Our first weekend now done and dusted. A quick run down: -
13 Juniors had entered. 8 have done a couple of seasons already. of the remaining 5 classed as rookies, 2 had completed a rally or 2 last season. 3 completely new including Jack.
He was seeded 9th which surprised us a bit. car behind him was faster with a driver that had experience. Not sure how that happened. The Lad seeded 12th had to withdraw. Licence issues.
Results wise, he was running 11th after the first couple of stages but pulled it back to 10th after stage 4. Finished 9th with the help of a retirement. So no great surprises. He knew he wasn't going out to win anything or be the fastest, but inwardly he was still a little disappointed with his times. Lots of encouragement from all around that he was doing well for his first time out and making steady progress as the day went on.
Really pleased the car made it through the day unscathed (other than the scrapes of a hay bale all down one side, but nothing bent or broken
). We did have a bit of an issue the end of stage 6. Just before the end, there was a small jump - he landed well, but hard. 100 yards later, at the finish line the car stopped. Electrics completely dead. A push back to the service area cut into our 20 minutes before the next stage. I was checking battery connections, fuses, relays but not really getting anywhere when two guys from another team came running over and helped find a dodgy connection. car then started but wouldn't stay running. another couple of minutes and they had that sorted - so a big thanks to them (Team JMR), We couldn't have finished the day without them.Big thanks also to his navigator - keeping us right all the way from scrutineering til the end of the day.
Costs - £40 championship entry fee and around £20 fuel for the car and £40 travel / food.
Now booked up for his second rally at Kames (regs if anyone is interested - http://www.eastayrshirecc.co.uk/rallies )
He has uploaded a couple of the stages from Ingliston - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSr-wKGL0c
Really need to find a better location for the camera!
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £495.00
Championship Entry Fee £40.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 + £20 fuel for Micra, £40 Travel/Food
Kames Rally £145 plus travel
Equipment - £3955.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Repairs/Maintenance - £645.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £550.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
TOTAL £7485
He has uploaded a couple of the stages from Ingliston - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSr-wKGL0c
Really need to find a better location for the camera!
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £495.00
Championship Entry Fee £40.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 + £20 fuel for Micra, £40 Travel/Food
Kames Rally £145 plus travel
Equipment - £3955.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Repairs/Maintenance - £645.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £550.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
TOTAL £7485
Another Autotest done for some seat time before the Kames rally next weekend. Cost wise, £15 fee and £20 travel.
He has uploaded a couple of quick videos of the Autotest. Great fun for £15. Would recommend for any junior wanting to get involved in Motorsport.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PoRbeiloM
He has uploaded a couple of quick videos of the Autotest. Great fun for £15. Would recommend for any junior wanting to get involved in Motorsport.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PoRbeiloM
Highs and lows yesterday for round 2 of the Junior Ecosse Challenge.
Seeded 11th with 14 starters. 16 stages.
By stage 12 he had battled up to 5th place (helped with a couple of broken driveshafts from the faster, more experienced lads).
At the end of stage 13, the car was visibly slower and had a distinctive bottom end knock.
Got the car back in the queue for stage 14 while debating if it should actually go back out (he desperately wanted to finish the day). Sort of thinking he could back off a bit on the final stages and nurse it home for a finish, the car cut out a couple of times while waiting and then refused to even turn over!
A disappointing end to an exciting day. Lots of positives to take away though.
Seeded 11th with 14 starters. 16 stages.
By stage 12 he had battled up to 5th place (helped with a couple of broken driveshafts from the faster, more experienced lads).
At the end of stage 13, the car was visibly slower and had a distinctive bottom end knock.
Got the car back in the queue for stage 14 while debating if it should actually go back out (he desperately wanted to finish the day). Sort of thinking he could back off a bit on the final stages and nurse it home for a finish, the car cut out a couple of times while waiting and then refused to even turn over!
A disappointing end to an exciting day. Lots of positives to take away though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spzE9ls7mvk
Some new video uploaded. Quite short.
This was the stage before the engine failed.
Some new video uploaded. Quite short.
This was the stage before the engine failed.
I don't really know enough about what I'm doing to teach him to re-build an engine!
Maybe time for us both to learn.
Got it started when back in storage and this is what it's sounding like. Also spitting oil out the exhaust.
https://vimeo.com/266157071
Maybe time for us both to learn.
Got it started when back in storage and this is what it's sounding like. Also spitting oil out the exhaust.
https://vimeo.com/266157071
It's been a hectic few weeks since the last update, and quite a hit on the budget!
It's a steep learning curve for both Jack driving and me in service.
At Leuchars, early in the day the exhaust got caught on a kerb on the way to start stage 2. Due to other problems out on the stage we had a 15 minute 'emergency' service to patch him up and get him back out. Thanks to a loan of a grinder from another team, we managed to chop the mangled exhaust up and at least re-fit the back box under the middle of the car! At least he finished the day after the disappointment of Kames
Crail passed relatively incident free with another finish.
We have a bit of a break now until the next rally at Solway but a busy month none the less. Test night this week with a training day at the weekend and a further 1 to 1 training day the following weekend.
I've splurged a bit on some new tools too, learning as I go what we need in Service.
Bought a new High Lift, low entry Jack £260. A battery powered grinder £70 for the bare unit. (i have batteries already) and a whole selection of sundries including Jubilee clips of all sizes, a selection box of Tek screws, some cutting discs, gloves etc..
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £1110.00
Championship Entry Fee £40.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 + £20 fuel for Micra, £40 Travel/Food
Kames Rally £145 plus £30 travel
Leuchars Rally £225.00 plus £60 travel/food and £20 fuel for the car
Crail Rally £200 plus £60 travel and another £20 petrol in the car
Next stop Solway
Equipment - £4285.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Hi-lift Jack £260
Grinder £70
Repairs/Maintenance - £1620.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Replacement engine and fitting £350
New custom stainless exhaust £450
2 new tyres £175
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £600.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
Screws, clips, cutting discs £50
TOTAL £9455
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4 events down and 4 still to go. Looks like we will be bursting through the original budget!
You can follow his progress on his page https://www.facebook.com/JackHallMotorsport/
Support and encouragement welcomed.
It's a steep learning curve for both Jack driving and me in service.
At Leuchars, early in the day the exhaust got caught on a kerb on the way to start stage 2. Due to other problems out on the stage we had a 15 minute 'emergency' service to patch him up and get him back out. Thanks to a loan of a grinder from another team, we managed to chop the mangled exhaust up and at least re-fit the back box under the middle of the car! At least he finished the day after the disappointment of Kames
Crail passed relatively incident free with another finish.
We have a bit of a break now until the next rally at Solway but a busy month none the less. Test night this week with a training day at the weekend and a further 1 to 1 training day the following weekend.
I've splurged a bit on some new tools too, learning as I go what we need in Service.
Bought a new High Lift, low entry Jack £260. A battery powered grinder £70 for the bare unit. (i have batteries already) and a whole selection of sundries including Jubilee clips of all sizes, a selection box of Tek screws, some cutting discs, gloves etc..
Costs so far:
Event/Competition Fees - £1110.00
Championship Entry Fee £40.00
Ingliston Rally £250.00 + £20 fuel for Micra, £40 Travel/Food
Kames Rally £145 plus £30 travel
Leuchars Rally £225.00 plus £60 travel/food and £20 fuel for the car
Crail Rally £200 plus £60 travel and another £20 petrol in the car
Next stop Solway
Equipment - £4285.00
Car £2000
New Seats/Harnesses (£700 less £240 selling old ones) £460
Steering Wheel £60
Trailer £900
Re-new trailer bed £300 (4 x 18mm marine ply and 5L non slip paint)
Tie down straps £45
Intercom System for car £160
Foot Pump + Gauge £30
Hi-lift Jack £260
Grinder £70
Repairs/Maintenance - £1620.00
Competition Tyres x 6 £520
Driveshafts £100
Drivebelts £25
Replacement engine and fitting £350
New custom stainless exhaust £450
2 new tyres £175
Clothing / Safety - £950.00
Racesuit, Gloves, Boots, Balaclave
Helmet (with Added Comms)
HANS device
Helmet Bag with Hans Storage £40
Training - £890.00
£135 - Rally day at Knockhill (27th Jan)
£85 Test day at car club, 30th Dec, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£15 - Autotest 20th Jan
£85 Test day at car club, 28th Jan, (Travel £30, Fuel for car £20 & £35 fee)
£180 - 1 to 1 training at Knockhill (£165 training, £15 Travel)
£65 Test day (£30 travel, £35 fee)
£325 - BARS test
Miscellaneous - £600.00
Towbar £400
Numberplate £10
Car Club Membership £30 (for us both)
New tyre for trailer £65
MSA Logbook £45
Screws, clips, cutting discs £50
TOTAL £9455
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4 events down and 4 still to go. Looks like we will be bursting through the original budget!
You can follow his progress on his page https://www.facebook.com/JackHallMotorsport/
Support and encouragement welcomed.
Thanks.
We smashed through the projected budget and I eventually stopped counting. Lol.
But I now have a proper selection of service tools and a fighting chance wiyh knowledge gained to keep him running.
We built a Yaris rally car over the winter (build thread to come) and actually today just sold the Micra.
Two events into this season already. 4th place in the Scottish championship at Ingliston and he was running 4th at RM Condor last week when the Diff exploded and put a few holes invthe Gearbox!
Its been a fantastic journey and i would urge anyone to give it a go. It can be done much cheaper than i have done it.
We smashed through the projected budget and I eventually stopped counting. Lol.
But I now have a proper selection of service tools and a fighting chance wiyh knowledge gained to keep him running.
We built a Yaris rally car over the winter (build thread to come) and actually today just sold the Micra.
Two events into this season already. 4th place in the Scottish championship at Ingliston and he was running 4th at RM Condor last week when the Diff exploded and put a few holes invthe Gearbox!
Its been a fantastic journey and i would urge anyone to give it a go. It can be done much cheaper than i have done it.
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