BAR to run car at Bonneville to test top speed of an F1 car

BAR to run car at Bonneville to test top speed of an F1 car

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FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 9th July 2005
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Wow, interesting stuff.

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BAR-Honda is to send a car to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah in October to see what the top speed of an F1 car can be in an out-and-out burst of speed. The BAR-Honda 007 is expected to be driven by James Rossiter and will probably feature no wings and perhaps a cockpit canopy. The car will also be fitted with a rear parachutee to slow it down after the run, which are being staged as a promotion for Lucky Strike.

The Bonneville Flats are famous for their record-breaking, which began in 1914 when Teddy Tezlaff drove a Blitzen Benz to set an unofficial land speed record of 141.73mph in 1914. In 1935 Malcolm Campbell took his Bluebird to a new record of 301.129mph and the record came down at Bonneville six more times before Craig Breedlove broke 400mph at Bonneville in 1963 in his Spirit of America. In 1964 Breedlove broke the 500mph barrier at Bonneville and a year later he took the record up to 600.601mph. That record would stand for five years before Gary Gabelich's 622.407mph run. This was the last outright land speed record set at Bonneville with the Thrust programmes of the 1980s and 1990s taking place in the Black Rock Desert.[/quote]

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 9th July 2005
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Malcolm Campbell's 1935 Bluebird weighed 4000kg and had a 2300bhp engine, it did 301mph.

A Formula One car weighs 600kg and has an 800-900bhp engine.

So it weighs around six times less than Bluebird, will have better aerodynamics/smaller profile and is only 2.5 times less the power of Bluebird.

I think without wings and geared properly it'll go over 300mph. Only revs and gearing will slow it, I'd say 330mph.

FourWheelDrift

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Sunday 10th July 2005
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Extra info - Paul Tracy's Indycar hit 249.9mph at the Fontana circuit in 1997.

FourWheelDrift

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Sunday 10th July 2005
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[quote=[k]ar|] in which case I doubt we would see much above 220-230mph. Of course, Honda may have done some work themselves, in which case the higher figure may be possible.

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F1 cars did 226mph at Monza last year with wings and shorter straights

FourWheelDrift

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Monday 18th July 2005
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John_S4x4 said:
Didn't a old Ferrari F1 (312?) run with no wings, when it raced an IAF jet ? Dunno how fast they went ? What about the other F1 vs Jet plane drag races ? Can somebody dig any info on the speed reached for these ?



Gilles Villenevue raced against an Italian Air Force F-104 Starfighter in his Ferrari 126c with no wings, but that was a short sprint.

www.gillesvilleneuveslotclub.it/istrana.WMV

On the run he had no wings although due to dubious editing they appear as he spins round to drive back, must be magic FIA spec Ferrari wings

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 18th July 20:23

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 3rd September 2005
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Bit of an update, their target is to break 400kmh, (248mph).

www.formula1.com/news/3522.html

Still using a track legal FIA spec car.

FourWheelDrift

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Friday 11th November 2005
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I think it certainly is interesting to know how fast a wingless F1 car can go since I keep reading on threads here so many people asking for wingless cars in F1.