So far only Albers slower than Button!!!
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Locoblade said:
2priestsferrari said:
After this disgrace Button or Fry must go
I really hope the addition of Button into that comment was the beer talking because to say he should be sacked for Honda's inability to produce a decent car is laughable!
Given he was more than happy to take the position (and the money) of leading the team for the next few years, what part do you think he plays?? Do you think he just pitches up at GP weekend and puts a few laps in??
No he would have been part of the conversation that took the 07 car and binned the old one. Fry and Button its like the blind leading the blind and Honda are loosing decades of sporting cred due to these clowns.
Locoblade said:
2priestsferrari said:
Given he was more than happy to take the position (and the money) of leading the team for the next few years, what part do you think he plays?? Do you think he just pitches up at GP weekend and puts a few laps in??
No he would have been part of the conversation that took the 07 car and binned the old one. Fry and Button its like the blind leading the blind and Honda are loosing decades of sporting cred due to these clowns.
As FWD said, you really don't have a clue Im afraid. Of course he's got responsibilities to develop the car to the best of his ability outside of a race weekend (as has Rubens), but as the saying goes you can't polish a turd. If the engineering / design concept of the new car is wrong, or there's something fundamentally wrong with the way the engineers are interpreting wind tunnel information etc, then there's absolutely sod all the driver can do to make that car competitive. With your logic, Alonso should have been sacked from Minardi because they were consistently at the back of the grid and he didn't develop the car into a race winner.
Utter rubbish - bottom line is the 06 car (which is now at Aguri) is faster and at some point some genius said "hey lets bin this 06 car for the 07 model" - is that not correct??
2 points here..First the driver. I don't know but I'd imagine that Button is one of the highest paid individuals at Honda F1 and so I'd expect that during the winter briefings someone might have asked the guys opinion on what car he feels is giving him the better performance. Having got that feedback perhaps people like Fry can come to a conclusion over the 06 car verses the new 07 car.
Re: testing - I don't agree that they need to take pain with the new car. Testing in F1 is not really that limited. They test several times per week for many months pre-season and if that isn't enough to gain a benchmark what are they getting paid for??
They could have easily raced the 06 car for the flyaways, put the test team to hard work on the 07 car and picked it up in Europe...
Come on we are not talking a small gap here..In qualie the fastest time a Honda 07 car did was a 27.2, the 06 car was 26.7.
Re: testing - I don't agree that they need to take pain with the new car. Testing in F1 is not really that limited. They test several times per week for many months pre-season and if that isn't enough to gain a benchmark what are they getting paid for??
They could have easily raced the 06 car for the flyaways, put the test team to hard work on the 07 car and picked it up in Europe...
Come on we are not talking a small gap here..In qualie the fastest time a Honda 07 car did was a 27.2, the 06 car was 26.7.
Well kind of yeah, you do need to go on.
If Honda F1 didn't go testing then is that anyones fault but Honda F1's? If the 07 car wasn't built/designed in time then is that anyones fault but Honda F1's? However all that aside even if you take your numbers of 15 days testing are you saying that is the teams only data on the 2007 car?
Whichever way you cut this the buck stops with the senior people at Honda F1 and if with all the simulation data, wind tunnel data and days on track testing couldn't give them the heads up then it kind of tells it all.
I would have thought the main focus was winning races or scoring points, the needs of Augri F1 are secondary and again if that was a major factor you must question the people taking the decisions. Jenson Button could well be F1 champion material - but at this rate we will never know.
This surely surpasses Honda F1 previous genius i.e. not securing a car in their wind tunnel, such that it got blown back into the workings of the wind tunnel.
If Honda F1 didn't go testing then is that anyones fault but Honda F1's? If the 07 car wasn't built/designed in time then is that anyones fault but Honda F1's? However all that aside even if you take your numbers of 15 days testing are you saying that is the teams only data on the 2007 car?
Whichever way you cut this the buck stops with the senior people at Honda F1 and if with all the simulation data, wind tunnel data and days on track testing couldn't give them the heads up then it kind of tells it all.
I would have thought the main focus was winning races or scoring points, the needs of Augri F1 are secondary and again if that was a major factor you must question the people taking the decisions. Jenson Button could well be F1 champion material - but at this rate we will never know.
This surely surpasses Honda F1 previous genius i.e. not securing a car in their wind tunnel, such that it got blown back into the workings of the wind tunnel.
Seems now there is becoming a meeting of the minds....
Re: Button - I'll accept that the buck doesn't stop with him BUT given his position in the team he should (if he didn't already) have made it his business to play a health role in what the teams play was going to be. Because, I think it is generally accepted, they may as well not bothered going to Oz.
Given Buttons ambitions he should now be pushing for Fry to take a hike.
Re: Button - I'll accept that the buck doesn't stop with him BUT given his position in the team he should (if he didn't already) have made it his business to play a health role in what the teams play was going to be. Because, I think it is generally accepted, they may as well not bothered going to Oz.
Given Buttons ambitions he should now be pushing for Fry to take a hike.
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