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I saw a video yesterday of pothole repair which appeared to be some sort of large spray gun attached to a truck that filled the potholes in pretty quickly. The video was awful though. There were still loose chunks in the pothole and the chippings left on the surface were awful. You can just tell it's going to be a bodge and last about 10 minutes, with many of the comments stating the same. Unfortunately, it was a Facebook short/reel/whatever so I can't find it again now.
The local cowboys near me managed to fill a series of potholes in Jan and they failed that quickly that they ended up resurfacing the road in March. They're literally throwing money away. I know companies get greedy when it comes to Gov work but surely they'd have to include something about the quality and longevity of repairs?
A new one has opened up not far from me. A good 2 inches deep and a good 2 feet long by a foot wide. I've reported it, let's see how many years that takes to fix. It's right next to a school so probably this decade..
The local cowboys near me managed to fill a series of potholes in Jan and they failed that quickly that they ended up resurfacing the road in March. They're literally throwing money away. I know companies get greedy when it comes to Gov work but surely they'd have to include something about the quality and longevity of repairs?
A new one has opened up not far from me. A good 2 inches deep and a good 2 feet long by a foot wide. I've reported it, let's see how many years that takes to fix. It's right next to a school so probably this decade..
swisstoni said:
I suppose it’d depend on how long they’ve had that ‘plan’ and failed to act on it.
These things take a while to organise but you’d expect something dangerous to be dealt with promptly.
If it hasn’t, there might be an argument to be had?
Devils advocate would counter with the fact that in this case, its an unlit fairly busy DC, with no pedestrian access, so to repair it safely would be no quick patch and go. It would appear that it's been patched a few times previously, and, unsurprisingly, they never hold. Having 35 profile tyres doesn't help my case These things take a while to organise but you’d expect something dangerous to be dealt with promptly.
If it hasn’t, there might be an argument to be had?
RazerSauber said:
I know companies get greedy when it comes to Gov work but surely they'd have to include something about the quality and longevity of repairs?
Don’t think so. As I’ve posted before I looked at Brent’s contract. It’s an initial 7 year contract with O’Hara (for lot 1), and same deal for lot 2 with GW Highways; both with option to extend to 10 years. So we get what we get for at least the next 7 years. Ain’t nobody checking nothing.CoolHands said:
RazerSauber said:
I know companies get greedy when it comes to Gov work but surely they'd have to include something about the quality and longevity of repairs?
Don’t think so. As I’ve posted before I looked at Brent’s contract. It’s an initial 7 year contract with O’Hara (for lot 1), and same deal for lot 2 with GW Highways; both with option to extend to 10 years. So we get what we get for at least the next 7 years. Ain’t nobody checking nothing.https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/site-elements/docume...
Riley Blue said:
CoolHands said:
RazerSauber said:
I know companies get greedy when it comes to Gov work but surely they'd have to include something about the quality and longevity of repairs?
Don’t think so. As I’ve posted before I looked at Brent’s contract. It’s an initial 7 year contract with O’Hara (for lot 1), and same deal for lot 2 with GW Highways; both with option to extend to 10 years. So we get what we get for at least the next 7 years. Ain’t nobody checking nothing.https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/site-elements/docume...
I must say that I the roads are falling apart at an exponential rate; not just country roads but even the M4 has some massive potholes. In addition, roads seem to be crumbling at the edges, with long/continuous 'potholes'/gaps where the road meets the verge. In a car with low profile tyres, driving is becoming like Mariokart, having to constantly look for and dodge around these hazards.
I've reported serval locally that I see when out walking (which to be fair, have been patched within a week - thank you Wiltshire council) but it's just not possible to do when driving. As other have noted, Waze is pretty good at logging the worst ones so in an ideal world councils could use that data...
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
I've reported serval locally that I see when out walking (which to be fair, have been patched within a week - thank you Wiltshire council) but it's just not possible to do when driving. As other have noted, Waze is pretty good at logging the worst ones so in an ideal world councils could use that data...
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
chemistry said:
I must say that I the roads are falling apart at an exponential rate; not just country roads but even the M4 has some massive potholes. In addition, roads seem to be crumbling at the edges, with long/continuous 'potholes'/gaps where the road meets the verge. In a car with low profile tyres, driving is becoming like Mariokart, having to constantly look for and dodge around these hazards.
I've reported serval locally that I see when out walking (which to be fair, have been patched within a week - thank you Wiltshire council) but it's just not possible to do when driving. As other have noted, Waze is pretty good at logging the worst ones so in an ideal world councils could use that data...
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
A lot of it is simply down to the awful weather. Prolonged wet periods, especially this year, are causing havoc. I've been through several areas of the country where, in rural areas in particular, the fields/surrounding land is so waterlogged that it's just washing around the edges of the roads. This then starts to wash away the sub-surface materials and lead to failures. The only places I've been where this isn't so prevalent are those with roadside drainage ditches, but they tend to be in the historically wetter areas of the country. I've reported serval locally that I see when out walking (which to be fair, have been patched within a week - thank you Wiltshire council) but it's just not possible to do when driving. As other have noted, Waze is pretty good at logging the worst ones so in an ideal world councils could use that data...
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
Tigerj said:
Not defending them at all. But I know of one council which gets more complaints about any road closures to fix potholes than about potholes themselves.
This plays into some of the reason why patching is done.
Whilse the local council fks about re-patching the already re-patched bits of rice crispies and treacle, the good folks at the Nurburgrung have completely re-surfaced the whole Aremberg to Adaneaur 'Foxholes' section. Properly.This plays into some of the reason why patching is done.
Digga said:
Whilse the local council fks about re-patching the already re-patched bits of rice crispies and treacle, the good folks at the Nurburgrung have completely re-surfaced the whole Aremberg to Adaneaur 'Foxholes' section. Properly.
I haven't dug for exact figures but a quick look suggests 225,000 tourist laps/a year recently. 30-35 Euros per lap. Going with the lower that is 6.75M Euros, £5.79M or around £340,000/mile. My local authority is funded to the tune of around £8,900/mile of carriageway. A mile of average width single carriageway (6m width) costs around £336,000 assuming planing off the top 40mm and relaying in HRA (hot rolled asphalt) and allowing for traffic management, resetting ironworks etc. That's assuming work done in house and many contractors would be a lot more - there is some regional variation in costs.
These are very rough figures, but it shows the difference.
PaulD86 said:
I haven't dug for exact figures but a quick look suggests 225,000 tourist laps/a year recently. 30-35 Euros per lap. Going with the lower that is 6.75M Euros, £5.79M or around £340,000/mile. My local authority is funded to the tune of around £8,900/mile of carriageway.
A mile of average width single carriageway (6m width) costs around £336,000 assuming planing off the top 40mm and relaying in HRA (hot rolled asphalt) and allowing for traffic management, resetting ironworks etc. That's assuming work done in house and many contractors would be a lot more - there is some regional variation in costs.
These are very rough figures, but it shows the difference.
TF money pays for a whole lot more than just blacktop. There's the barriers, track marshalls, the new camera surveillance system, etc. etc. etc.A mile of average width single carriageway (6m width) costs around £336,000 assuming planing off the top 40mm and relaying in HRA (hot rolled asphalt) and allowing for traffic management, resetting ironworks etc. That's assuming work done in house and many contractors would be a lot more - there is some regional variation in costs.
These are very rough figures, but it shows the difference.
Swervin_Mervin said:
A lot of it is simply down to the awful weather. Prolonged wet periods, especially this year, are causing havoc. I've been through several areas of the country where, in rural areas in particular, the fields/surrounding land is so waterlogged that it's just washing around the edges of the roads. This then starts to wash away the sub-surface materials and lead to failures. The only places I've been where this isn't so prevalent are those with roadside drainage ditches, but they tend to be in the historically wetter areas of the country.
We're incredibly lucky it's been a mild winter. If we'd had heavy freezes following prolonged wet weather the roads in their current state would become toast.I think we're storing up big problems that are only just beginning to show.
Digga said:
PaulD86 said:
I haven't dug for exact figures but a quick look suggests 225,000 tourist laps/a year recently. 30-35 Euros per lap. Going with the lower that is 6.75M Euros, £5.79M or around £340,000/mile. My local authority is funded to the tune of around £8,900/mile of carriageway.
A mile of average width single carriageway (6m width) costs around £336,000 assuming planing off the top 40mm and relaying in HRA (hot rolled asphalt) and allowing for traffic management, resetting ironworks etc. That's assuming work done in house and many contractors would be a lot more - there is some regional variation in costs.
These are very rough figures, but it shows the difference.
TF money pays for a whole lot more than just blacktop. There's the barriers, track marshalls, the new camera surveillance system, etc. etc. etc.A mile of average width single carriageway (6m width) costs around £336,000 assuming planing off the top 40mm and relaying in HRA (hot rolled asphalt) and allowing for traffic management, resetting ironworks etc. That's assuming work done in house and many contractors would be a lot more - there is some regional variation in costs.
These are very rough figures, but it shows the difference.
chemistry said:
I must say that the roads are falling apart at an exponential rate; not just country roads but even the M4 has some massive potholes. (…)
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
Swervin_Mervin said:
A lot of it is simply down to the awful weather. Prolonged wet periods, especially this year, are causing havoc.
I think there are more factors which help to desintegrate tarmac:- cars are getting heavier
- more trucks, lorries and vans driving the roads
- EV...
- road materials need to be produced with less energy and less CO2
- bigger tyres and high power and chauffeurs are not getting better
dinkel said:
chemistry said:
I must say that the roads are falling apart at an exponential rate; not just country roads but even the M4 has some massive potholes. (…)
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
More I really hope folks are managing to make successful claims for wheel/tyre against the relevant councils, to encourage them to fix these hazards!!!
Swervin_Mervin said:
A lot of it is simply down to the awful weather. Prolonged wet periods, especially this year, are causing havoc.
I think there are more factors which help to desintegrate tarmac:- cars are getting heavier
- more trucks, lorries and vans driving the roads
- EV...
- road materials need to be produced with less energy and less CO2
- bigger tyres and high power and chauffeurs are not getting better
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