Team Peach Melba Alps Hoon '09 - Views ?
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Last year we headed down to Route Napolean, Turini, Verdun, Ventoux, Millau, Tarn etc in the South of France.
Next year we're off to tackle the Alps, starting at the Nurburgring for the WSB round and then heading down to Austria over the Grossglockner and on from there as outlined below. We could tackle it in reverse and end our trip at the ring for the WSB round as well although I'd have to miss BSB at Cadwell and I have only missed it once in 20yrs
Appreciate anyones thoughts and feedback . . ..
Day 1 Iwade to Nurburgring Ben Lovejoy's twisty cross country route to the ring.
Day 2 WSB Nurburgring For the mad bike race fan's amongst us, a day's racing at the Nurburgring watching the World Superbikes.
Day 3 Nurburgring to Salzburg Boring autobahn to Salzburg - at least some of it will be unrestricted probably ;-) D
Day 4 Salzburg to Merano Dienten Sattel past Zell am See to the Grossglockner. Stopping at the Edelweisspitze & Pasterze glacier for photos. Then onto the Staller Sattel, onto a short section of autostrada. Then the Jaufenpass from Vipiteno to San Leonardo onto Merano for the night.
Day 5 Merano to Lacarno Merano to Stelvio (option for early morning go at Stelvio). Off the back of Stelvio on a little pass to the top end of Ofenpass, leading straight into the Fluelapass up to Davos. Then the fantastic road from Davos to Tiefencastel. Onto the Rofla Gorge through to Splurgen where we start onto the St.Bernadino Pass to Messocco. Jump back on the Autostrada and a run down to Lacorno on the shore of Lake Maggiore
Day 6 Lacarno to Martigny Autostrada run up to the original St Gothardo pass (cobblestones !) into Andermatt. Then the Furkapass into the Grimselpass into the Sustenpass into the Furkapass again(need to stop for photos of glacier). Then a short section of motorway in Martigny for the night
Day 7 Martigny to Briancon We leave Martigny heading for the Grande St Bernard past Aosta onto the Petit St Bernard. Leaving the St Bernard's we head on to the Col D'Iseran past Val D'Isere (lunch?). Then the N6 leading to St Michel for the Col du Galibier into the Col du Lauturet to Briancon for the night
Day 8 Briancon to Barcelonnette Briancon straight into the Col de l'Izoard heading onto the Col de Vars arriving at the foot of the Col de la Bonette. Finishing the Bonette we head through the Gorge du Cians and then through the Gorge du Daluis. We then head over the Col de la Cayelle into Barcelonnette for the night.
Day 9 Barcelonnette to Flumet Leave Barcelonnette towards the Lac de Serre Poncon on the D900 & D3 heading for the Route Napolean at Gap. Coming off the N85 drive the D526 through Mens to La Mure and onto the Col D'Ornon (this is where Billy took off last year and a fave with me for some reason). Over the road at the bottom and straight up Alpe D'Huez, we've done it before, but we liked it ;-) Col du Glandon follows into the Col de la Madelaine, finishing on the highly recommended Gorge de Larly all the way into Flumet for our stop over.
Day 10 Flumet to Reims We're on our way to Blighty now . .. Col des Aravis to start with the best view of Mont Blanc. Onto the motorway until the Col de la Faucille just past Geneva. Once over this we're on the autoroute until Reims. I've planned in the end of Hoon photos at the old Reims F1 circuit for those who've not been before . . .
Day 11 Reims to Calais Boring autoroute going home . . .
Total milaage 2567 (not including UK mileage)
Next year we're off to tackle the Alps, starting at the Nurburgring for the WSB round and then heading down to Austria over the Grossglockner and on from there as outlined below. We could tackle it in reverse and end our trip at the ring for the WSB round as well although I'd have to miss BSB at Cadwell and I have only missed it once in 20yrs
Appreciate anyones thoughts and feedback . . ..
Day 1 Iwade to Nurburgring Ben Lovejoy's twisty cross country route to the ring.
Day 2 WSB Nurburgring For the mad bike race fan's amongst us, a day's racing at the Nurburgring watching the World Superbikes.
Day 3 Nurburgring to Salzburg Boring autobahn to Salzburg - at least some of it will be unrestricted probably ;-) D
Day 4 Salzburg to Merano Dienten Sattel past Zell am See to the Grossglockner. Stopping at the Edelweisspitze & Pasterze glacier for photos. Then onto the Staller Sattel, onto a short section of autostrada. Then the Jaufenpass from Vipiteno to San Leonardo onto Merano for the night.
Day 5 Merano to Lacarno Merano to Stelvio (option for early morning go at Stelvio). Off the back of Stelvio on a little pass to the top end of Ofenpass, leading straight into the Fluelapass up to Davos. Then the fantastic road from Davos to Tiefencastel. Onto the Rofla Gorge through to Splurgen where we start onto the St.Bernadino Pass to Messocco. Jump back on the Autostrada and a run down to Lacorno on the shore of Lake Maggiore
Day 6 Lacarno to Martigny Autostrada run up to the original St Gothardo pass (cobblestones !) into Andermatt. Then the Furkapass into the Grimselpass into the Sustenpass into the Furkapass again(need to stop for photos of glacier). Then a short section of motorway in Martigny for the night
Day 7 Martigny to Briancon We leave Martigny heading for the Grande St Bernard past Aosta onto the Petit St Bernard. Leaving the St Bernard's we head on to the Col D'Iseran past Val D'Isere (lunch?). Then the N6 leading to St Michel for the Col du Galibier into the Col du Lauturet to Briancon for the night
Day 8 Briancon to Barcelonnette Briancon straight into the Col de l'Izoard heading onto the Col de Vars arriving at the foot of the Col de la Bonette. Finishing the Bonette we head through the Gorge du Cians and then through the Gorge du Daluis. We then head over the Col de la Cayelle into Barcelonnette for the night.
Day 9 Barcelonnette to Flumet Leave Barcelonnette towards the Lac de Serre Poncon on the D900 & D3 heading for the Route Napolean at Gap. Coming off the N85 drive the D526 through Mens to La Mure and onto the Col D'Ornon (this is where Billy took off last year and a fave with me for some reason). Over the road at the bottom and straight up Alpe D'Huez, we've done it before, but we liked it ;-) Col du Glandon follows into the Col de la Madelaine, finishing on the highly recommended Gorge de Larly all the way into Flumet for our stop over.
Day 10 Flumet to Reims We're on our way to Blighty now . .. Col des Aravis to start with the best view of Mont Blanc. Onto the motorway until the Col de la Faucille just past Geneva. Once over this we're on the autoroute until Reims. I've planned in the end of Hoon photos at the old Reims F1 circuit for those who've not been before . . .
Day 11 Reims to Calais Boring autoroute going home . . .
Total milaage 2567 (not including UK mileage)
That's a good shout and it's one pass I'd ended up leaving out to give us a good shot of getting onto Stelvio relatively early without adding too many miles onto the trip, but a run up and down the Timmelsjoch the following morning on the way to Stelvio . . . Will re-route and have a look 
Edited by Johno on Tuesday 16th December 19:37
Hello mate . .. It was an outstanding trip last time . . The best day was Turini, Vence, Verdon, Ventoux in a day. Awesome, altough Billy bailed before Ventoux and missed a cracking drive up there . .
Ventoux fun, you can just see me occasionally will eventually convert my video although the mic didn't work on mine
Coming with us then ?
Ventoux fun, you can just see me occasionally will eventually convert my video although the mic didn't work on mine
Coming with us then ?
Edited by Johno on Tuesday 16th December 21:52
dcb said:
Johno said:
Day 3 Nurburgring to Salzburg Boring autobahn to Salzburg - at least some of it will be unrestricted probably ;-) D
Almost all of it unlimited.I'd recommend Nurburg, Koblenz, Frankfurt, Wurzburg,
Nurnberg, Munich, Rosenheim, Salzburg.
The A3 from before Frankfurt to Nurnburg is mostly
unlimited and partially three lanes.
The A9 from Nurnberg to Munich is unlimited and three
lanes - it's a racetrack. Expect to get flashed if you
drop below 120 mph ;->
Munich ring road is unlimited ;->
The A52 Munich Rosenheim road is also three lanes, mostly
unlimited, but carries a lot of Austrian traffic, so
you are unlikely to get over 120 mph much.
In fact now heading all the way down to Bischofshofen at the start of the Dieten Sattel to get back some mileage for the next day to get up the Timmelsjoch to Obergurgl as previously suggested.
Autoroute has the average mph for the trip as 78.96 without stopping for fuel and a bite to eat
over the 460.6 miles.Edited by Johno on Wednesday 17th December 13:07
Our daily 'driving day' is 243 miles. When we did the sth France tour we were nearer 300 a day and it is too much as you don't get a chance to stop for photos, lunch etc . .
Tried to average no more than 5.5hrs driving at Autoroute average speeds. Also tried to build routes where we could drop a pass or col in favour of major roads to get to our over night destination if weather/tiredness/boredom/desperate need for beer overcame the driving need.
Overall average is driven by the trip out to the ring at 330, Ring to Bischofshofen at 460 and Flumet to Reims at 350.
The 2 biggest days are Obergurgl to Lacarno and Lacarno to Martigny at 260 both days, and they've caused me headaches to try and keep them at no more than that !
Tried to average no more than 5.5hrs driving at Autoroute average speeds. Also tried to build routes where we could drop a pass or col in favour of major roads to get to our over night destination if weather/tiredness/boredom/desperate need for beer overcame the driving need.
Overall average is driven by the trip out to the ring at 330, Ring to Bischofshofen at 460 and Flumet to Reims at 350.
The 2 biggest days are Obergurgl to Lacarno and Lacarno to Martigny at 260 both days, and they've caused me headaches to try and keep them at no more than that !
Longers
The route I've picked of Ben Lovejys site takes us even further south than the one you suggest with us going along N66, N68, B410 ultimately coming through Kelberg . .
This route . .
More enjoyable outbound route:
At Brussels take the ringway and follow directions for E411 Namur.
At the Daussoulx motorway junction (region of Namur) follow the E42 motorway to Liege for 10 miles, leaving at exit 8 Huy-Couthuin.
In Huy take the N66 to Hamoir.
Follow N66 till you arrive at Trois-Ponts.
In Trois-Ponts, go right onto N68 towards Vielsalm.
At Vielsalm, go left taking the N676 to St Vith.
Before you arrive at St-Vith, get on the E42 at junction 14 towards Bitburg.
Leave at Exit 4 Prum and from here on take the B410 via Gerolstein to Kelberg and Nurburgring.
The route I've picked of Ben Lovejys site takes us even further south than the one you suggest with us going along N66, N68, B410 ultimately coming through Kelberg . .
This route . .
More enjoyable outbound route:
At Brussels take the ringway and follow directions for E411 Namur.
At the Daussoulx motorway junction (region of Namur) follow the E42 motorway to Liege for 10 miles, leaving at exit 8 Huy-Couthuin.
In Huy take the N66 to Hamoir.
Follow N66 till you arrive at Trois-Ponts.
In Trois-Ponts, go right onto N68 towards Vielsalm.
At Vielsalm, go left taking the N676 to St Vith.
Before you arrive at St-Vith, get on the E42 at junction 14 towards Bitburg.
Leave at Exit 4 Prum and from here on take the B410 via Gerolstein to Kelberg and Nurburgring.
Longers said:
Johno said:
Last year we headed down to Route Napolean, Turini, Verdun, Ventoux, Millau, Tarn etc in the South of France.
Johno, I'm looking to do a similar trip next year - how long did that route take you / which way did you go etc etc.....?Longers
Hi Tim . . . The route to the Ring is from http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/ . . .. There's a couple of others on there as well.
If you drop me an PM then I'll send you the .ITN file that you can load in to your Tomtom with the waypoints etc already planned.
If you drop me an PM then I'll send you the .ITN file that you can load in to your Tomtom with the waypoints etc already planned.
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