E28 - the long slog
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Parts order has just gone in for what should be the lion's share of the bits needed to finish off. A fair chunk of it is coming from Germany, and a bit of that is on back order with no due date. Which could be interesting.
For those interested, the order is:
41351874953 - wing
41351874954 - wing
41331874959 - front upper panel
41331922061 - front lower panel
51131873253 - kidneys
51131930825 - grille left
51131930826 - grille right
41351920871 - left rear repair panel
41341927436 - tail panel
51311822185 - windscreen seal
51311820622 - upper windscreen moulding
51311817451 - lower windscreen moulding
51311820661 - corner moulding left
51311820662 - corner moulding right
51311820485 - rear windscreen seal
51311820624 x2 - rear side trim
51311820269 x2 - rear top corner moulding
51311820660 - rear bottom right moulding
51311817452 - rear bottom moulding
51311820623 - rear upper moulding
51311820659 - rear bottom left moulding
51211919083 x4 - handle
51131874518 - bonnet vent right
51131871097 - left wing moulding
51131871098 - right wing moulding
51131871695 - left front door moulding
51131871696 - right front door moulding
51131871697 - left rear door moulding
51131871698 - right rear door moulding
51131909501 x2 - C pillar trim rubber seal
51141852899 x8 - C pillar grommet
51321872315 - front door pillar trim left
51321872316 - front door pillar trim right
51341872317 - rear door pillar trim left
51341872318 - rear door pillar trim right
51148132375 - bonnet roundell
63131373297 - left indicator
63131373298 - right indicator
63131367801 - left repeater
63131367802 - right repeater
51711874203 x2 - expanding nut for repeater
07119906734 x2 - screw for repeater
51711889473 - boot seal
63211366769 - left tail light
63211366770 - right tail light
63259128043 x10 - rear light nut
51141902279 x2 - bonnet grommet
51141872969 - bootlid badge
51141807495 x2 - badge grommet
51161856356 - rear view mirror
51481881593 - bonnet sound absorber left
51481881592 - bonnet sound absorber central
51481881594 - bonnet sound absorber right
51481904313 - kidney sound absorber left
51481904314 - kidney sound absorber right
51481905599 x4 - rivet for sound absorber
51481906207 x4 - push button for sound absorber
I'm sure I'll need various other odds-and-sods, but it's a start. It's also £3k, so it had better be most of it!
In other news, the speakers arrived last night
For those interested, the order is:
41351874953 - wing
41351874954 - wing
41331874959 - front upper panel
41331922061 - front lower panel
51131873253 - kidneys
51131930825 - grille left
51131930826 - grille right
41351920871 - left rear repair panel
41341927436 - tail panel
51311822185 - windscreen seal
51311820622 - upper windscreen moulding
51311817451 - lower windscreen moulding
51311820661 - corner moulding left
51311820662 - corner moulding right
51311820485 - rear windscreen seal
51311820624 x2 - rear side trim
51311820269 x2 - rear top corner moulding
51311820660 - rear bottom right moulding
51311817452 - rear bottom moulding
51311820623 - rear upper moulding
51311820659 - rear bottom left moulding
51211919083 x4 - handle
51131874518 - bonnet vent right
51131871097 - left wing moulding
51131871098 - right wing moulding
51131871695 - left front door moulding
51131871696 - right front door moulding
51131871697 - left rear door moulding
51131871698 - right rear door moulding
51131909501 x2 - C pillar trim rubber seal
51141852899 x8 - C pillar grommet
51321872315 - front door pillar trim left
51321872316 - front door pillar trim right
51341872317 - rear door pillar trim left
51341872318 - rear door pillar trim right
51148132375 - bonnet roundell
63131373297 - left indicator
63131373298 - right indicator
63131367801 - left repeater
63131367802 - right repeater
51711874203 x2 - expanding nut for repeater
07119906734 x2 - screw for repeater
51711889473 - boot seal
63211366769 - left tail light
63211366770 - right tail light
63259128043 x10 - rear light nut
51141902279 x2 - bonnet grommet
51141872969 - bootlid badge
51141807495 x2 - badge grommet
51161856356 - rear view mirror
51481881593 - bonnet sound absorber left
51481881592 - bonnet sound absorber central
51481881594 - bonnet sound absorber right
51481904313 - kidney sound absorber left
51481904314 - kidney sound absorber right
51481905599 x4 - rivet for sound absorber
51481906207 x4 - push button for sound absorber
I'm sure I'll need various other odds-and-sods, but it's a start. It's also £3k, so it had better be most of it!
In other news, the speakers arrived last night
Edited by Output Flange on Wednesday 21st August 16:16
olly22n said:
Lottery. I am still waiting for a ns rtab, they had the OS!
Ross mentioned that on the phone 
With some parts they wait until they have enough orders before commissioning a batch, with others they sometimes have to get a new supplier. Bit of a lottery, but I don't think any of them are show stoppers at this point.
Grubes - has your air con been converted to R134a?
Slow said:
Uhm what? Sounds like your about to cut someone up.
They're my "aide memoires" rather than BMW descriptions.But if they don't arrive soon enough, who knows...
This has basically turned into a full nut-and-bolt resto - not what I had necessarily intended, but if a job's worth doing...
A fair chunk cheaper than a decent one, and exactly to my spec. This should be quicker, lighter, hopefully more reliable and usable and everything will be new.
Not saying it'll be better than an M5 - it won't have the same equipment level or provenance, for example, but it should suit me nicely. Very much a build that doesn't have resale in mind, rightly or wrongly.
Not saying it'll be better than an M5 - it won't have the same equipment level or provenance, for example, but it should suit me nicely. Very much a build that doesn't have resale in mind, rightly or wrongly.
For completeness:
This was on special offer at ECP, so I got two:
And these should make longer journeys more entertaining:
The 6x4s go int he standard location (front footwells). The 6x9s will go in the upright under the back seat - I had a set there in my first E28 and it worked a treat. No need to have them on display, but make a useful contribution to the sound quality.
The nice people at Cobra have sent out some new side covers for the hinges on the seats, but instead of sending me new wheels for the backrest adjusters, I've received what look like the inserts for harness holes. Given how helpful they've been so far, I'm sure getting the right parts will be no bother.
Some of this will come in handy (it's a pack of 7 sheets):
but the remainder is for the Berlingo, to kill some of the vibrations through the side panels.
This was on special offer at ECP, so I got two:
And these should make longer journeys more entertaining:
The 6x4s go int he standard location (front footwells). The 6x9s will go in the upright under the back seat - I had a set there in my first E28 and it worked a treat. No need to have them on display, but make a useful contribution to the sound quality.
The nice people at Cobra have sent out some new side covers for the hinges on the seats, but instead of sending me new wheels for the backrest adjusters, I've received what look like the inserts for harness holes. Given how helpful they've been so far, I'm sure getting the right parts will be no bother.
Some of this will come in handy (it's a pack of 7 sheets):
but the remainder is for the Berlingo, to kill some of the vibrations through the side panels.
A little bit of work, until lack of 6mm spanner stopped play.
The throttle bodies are coming off to go to be soda blasted. What a pleasant job that is.
First up the cam cover has to come off, then the fuel rail, then the injectors out, then the breather hose, then the exhaust cam position sensor, then the bolts that hold the throttle bodies on.
But because I don't have a 6mm spanner (the adjustable is too big) I can't get the cam sensor out to get the last nut off. Annoying, but hey-ho.
Here's where I've got to:
I hope I can remember how it goes back together...
Still, I've also got a bag of injectors now, so they can be sent off to be ultrasonically cleaned and given new o-rings:
Mmmm, injectors.
The cam cover will go with the inlet plenum to be repainted as well.
The rest will be finished over the weekend.
The throttle bodies are coming off to go to be soda blasted. What a pleasant job that is.
First up the cam cover has to come off, then the fuel rail, then the injectors out, then the breather hose, then the exhaust cam position sensor, then the bolts that hold the throttle bodies on.
But because I don't have a 6mm spanner (the adjustable is too big) I can't get the cam sensor out to get the last nut off. Annoying, but hey-ho.
Here's where I've got to:
I hope I can remember how it goes back together...
Still, I've also got a bag of injectors now, so they can be sent off to be ultrasonically cleaned and given new o-rings:
Mmmm, injectors.
The cam cover will go with the inlet plenum to be repainted as well.
The rest will be finished over the weekend.
richtea78 said:
When you say the rest, you mean rest of the engine right? Not rest of the car?
Lol. No, just pulling the engine apart. Get the TBs off, swap the sump over for the M50 version currently sitting on the 2.8, fit the new water pump/thermostat/plugs/oil filter, fit the alternator and hopefully the PAS pump (if it arrives), degrease the block. I think I mentioned before, I can't get a slot at the bodyshop until Oct, but then I'm waiting fo the new body panels to come from Germany anyway.
Aiming to get it rolling again over the weekend, too.
I've also got to have a clear out as the garage is getting too full to work in. If anyone needs a 2.8 M52 just let me know
And thanks, Chris. There's a well-stocked beer fridge just out of sight that helps with most jobs.
Throttle bodies are off. You can see there are many year's worth of crud on them:
In other news, I've found the Haynes manual for the E28 to be a bit crap, and the Bentley manual doesn't cover S50 swaps.
So, to help me with the reassembly, I've bought this handy life-size guide:
I rather like it! It has been over a year since I last drove an E28, so it's nice to be back behind the wheel. It's also nice to have a benchmark.
In other news, I've found the Haynes manual for the E28 to be a bit crap, and the Bentley manual doesn't cover S50 swaps.
So, to help me with the reassembly, I've bought this handy life-size guide:
I rather like it! It has been over a year since I last drove an E28, so it's nice to be back behind the wheel. It's also nice to have a benchmark.
Ridiculously small update considering the amount of time it has taken:
The S50 sump and oil pickup is off, as is the bracket to hold it.
The M50 pickup is on, and the sump pan will go back on tomorrow.
One of the bolts that holds the S50 pickup pipe on is an utter, utter b
d to get to. Lots of swearing, hitting and threats of grinding and it eventually gave in. By contrast, fitting the M50 pipe takes all of 8 seconds.
The S50 sump and pickup is now on the M52, which means the M52 is ready for eBay. Which is a good thing, as I'm fast running out of room in the garage.
O/T - spent half an hour on the M5 earlier. Fixed the loose driver's armrest, changed one tail light for a nicer version (with a better seal - water is getting into the boot) and fitted a new leather gear gaitor to replace the worn stripey one.
Less O/T - the M5 has the battery in the boot, cooking E28s have it right at the front of the engine bay. I had been thinking about copying the M5 setup, but it bugs me that the battery is on the same side as the driver and fuel tank. I still might move it to the boot, but go with something custom to put it on the passenger side. More pondering required, I think. The consideration is that the spare wheel well is on the passenger side, so there needs to be enough room to get that in and out.
The S50 sump and oil pickup is off, as is the bracket to hold it.
The M50 pickup is on, and the sump pan will go back on tomorrow.
One of the bolts that holds the S50 pickup pipe on is an utter, utter b
d to get to. Lots of swearing, hitting and threats of grinding and it eventually gave in. By contrast, fitting the M50 pipe takes all of 8 seconds.The S50 sump and pickup is now on the M52, which means the M52 is ready for eBay. Which is a good thing, as I'm fast running out of room in the garage.
O/T - spent half an hour on the M5 earlier. Fixed the loose driver's armrest, changed one tail light for a nicer version (with a better seal - water is getting into the boot) and fitted a new leather gear gaitor to replace the worn stripey one.
Less O/T - the M5 has the battery in the boot, cooking E28s have it right at the front of the engine bay. I had been thinking about copying the M5 setup, but it bugs me that the battery is on the same side as the driver and fuel tank. I still might move it to the boot, but go with something custom to put it on the passenger side. More pondering required, I think. The consideration is that the spare wheel well is on the passenger side, so there needs to be enough room to get that in and out.
It saw daylight today for the first time in many, many months. The rear axle is back on, as is enough of the front to get it rolling. One of the rear subframe pins is utterly fecked, but also refused to come out, which means that one side of the rear subframe is held on by a nut that is lightly cross-threaded and a pair of mole grips. Ghetto.
Anywho, into the sunshine:
The point of wheeling it outside was to try to get some of the grime off the engine bay, so that when it goes to be painted it's a bit less work for them. This is how it was:
And after a squirt with the pressure washer:
Not perfect, but better.
I'm hoping to know this week what date the bodyshop can take it in.
While it was out, it seemed rude not to get a pic or two of the M5 next to the lightweight special. So I did.
Should be quite good once they're both on the road
Oh, and how about some crazy camber?
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Dub boys.
Anywho, into the sunshine:
The point of wheeling it outside was to try to get some of the grime off the engine bay, so that when it goes to be painted it's a bit less work for them. This is how it was:
And after a squirt with the pressure washer:
Not perfect, but better.
I'm hoping to know this week what date the bodyshop can take it in.
While it was out, it seemed rude not to get a pic or two of the M5 next to the lightweight special. So I did.
Should be quite good once they're both on the road
Oh, and how about some crazy camber?
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Dub boys.
This arrived today:
Not all that exciting, but it's something at least.
Still waiting to get a date from the bodyshop. In all honesty, if they don't come back to me by the end of the week, I think it'll go somewhere else - which would be a shame as they're good guys, but I really want to get cracking on.
There's a rather exciting delivery coming on Friday morning - more of that to follow.
But in the meantime, while this project is stalled for a few weeks, I've got a bit of time for the M5. I'm picking the C pillar trims up from a local bodyshop on Friday. For some reason, a previous owner painted them black, so I've had them redone in Dolphin Grey.
I'll also be removing the interior this week, as on Saturday morning I'm dropping it off at Bespoke Leathering to be repaired and restored. Both RHS bolsters on the front seats have broken frames:
plus there's a hole in the passenger outer bolster which needs sorting. The back of the driver's seat rocks under acceleration and braking too, so that needs looking at. After that, it should just be a case of them working their magic on the 27 year old leather, and getting some marks out of the door cards and door armrests. Expected to take about a week.
This'll also give me a chance to investigate why the NSR electric window doesn't work, and to get some grease on the window runners - they're a bit slow to go up and down.
Not all that exciting, but it's something at least.
Still waiting to get a date from the bodyshop. In all honesty, if they don't come back to me by the end of the week, I think it'll go somewhere else - which would be a shame as they're good guys, but I really want to get cracking on.
There's a rather exciting delivery coming on Friday morning - more of that to follow.
But in the meantime, while this project is stalled for a few weeks, I've got a bit of time for the M5. I'm picking the C pillar trims up from a local bodyshop on Friday. For some reason, a previous owner painted them black, so I've had them redone in Dolphin Grey.
I'll also be removing the interior this week, as on Saturday morning I'm dropping it off at Bespoke Leathering to be repaired and restored. Both RHS bolsters on the front seats have broken frames:
plus there's a hole in the passenger outer bolster which needs sorting. The back of the driver's seat rocks under acceleration and braking too, so that needs looking at. After that, it should just be a case of them working their magic on the 27 year old leather, and getting some marks out of the door cards and door armrests. Expected to take about a week.
This'll also give me a chance to investigate why the NSR electric window doesn't work, and to get some grease on the window runners - they're a bit slow to go up and down.
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