They say it cannot be done - 1000bhp Supercharged VXR8
Discussion
R8VXF said:
Seriously? Can you just f
k off with your negativity please. This is my build thread, my targets, my money, my car to do with what I please. If I don't hit my targets, then what a shame, it is only a target after all. the point of linking to that Camaro was to show that the block is capable of similar power levels like you all say it can't, as per the damn thread title. I personally believe it can, and my research is showing that it is possible. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say or have a specific answer, get the fk out of my thread.
In Wormus defence it does say using 109 race fuel so it's not really a good example. Of course it's possible to produce a 1000hp whipple build. But it would be absolutely horrible to drive and certainly not a daily driver. The advice you have been given is that you'd ruin a brilliant car doing it. Which I believe is very good advice.k off with your negativity please. This is my build thread, my targets, my money, my car to do with what I please. If I don't hit my targets, then what a shame, it is only a target after all. the point of linking to that Camaro was to show that the block is capable of similar power levels like you all say it can't, as per the damn thread title. I personally believe it can, and my research is showing that it is possible. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say or have a specific answer, get the fk out of my thread. If you want to build it then go for it and I wish you luck
Edited by Xpuffin on Thursday 18th February 18:35
Xpuffin said:
In Wormus defence it does say using 109 race fuel so it's not really a good example. Of course it's possible to produce a 1000hp whipple build. But it would be absolutely horrible to drive and certainly not a daily driver. The advice you have been given is that you'd ruin a brilliant car doing it. Which I believe is very good advice.
If you want to build it then go for it and I wish you luck
Sorry, but he can fIf you want to build it then go for it and I wish you luck
Edited by Xpuffin on Thursday 18th February 18:35
k off with his attitude.The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops. I thank you all for your advice, point repeatedly taken. Now please can everyone stop mentioning money, turbos and any other irrelevance to this build.
As I stated earlier I was pointing out the merits of the lsa block, and am working on some airflow and charge cooling changes that will help reach my goals. As we know cold air is good, hot air is bad. Improve the airflow over the components lingenfelter used and this will help keep the air temps down.
I am going into this eyes wide open, trust me on this. If at any point I think more power will be bad then I will stop. But not before.
R8VXF said:
Seriously? Can you just fk off with your negativity please. This is my build thread, my targets, my money, my car to do with what I please. If I don't hit my targets, then what a shame, it is only a target after all. the point of linking to that Camaro was to show that the block is capable of similar power levels like you all say it can't, as per the damn thread title. I personally believe it can, and my research is showing that it is possible. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say or have a specific answer, get the fk out of my thread.
No, it's the internet. I'm staying k off with your negativity please. This is my build thread, my targets, my money, my car to do with what I please. If I don't hit my targets, then what a shame, it is only a target after all. the point of linking to that Camaro was to show that the block is capable of similar power levels like you all say it can't, as per the damn thread title. I personally believe it can, and my research is showing that it is possible. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say or have a specific answer, get the fk out of my thread. 
R8VXF said:
As we all know, valve float is a terrible thing, so what are peoples favourite springs?
That's easy springs that are appropriate for their specific build. One size doesnt fit all.R8VXF said:
orry, but he can fk off with his attitude.
The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops.
Hmmmm a fuel and tuning expert then ? Very interesting statement there. It is bullsk off with his attitude.The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops.
t of course though....You've certainly a lot to learn before you start blowing your balls spending big money, otherwise you really will squander tens of thousands buying all the wrong things....Tens and Tens of thousands.
stevieturbo said:
R8VXF said:
As we all know, valve float is a terrible thing, so what are peoples favourite springs?
That's easy springs that are appropriate for their specific build. One size doesnt fit all.R8VXF said:
orry, but he can fk off with his attitude.
The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops.
Hmmmm a fuel and tuning expert then ? Very interesting statement there. It is bullsk off with his attitude.The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops.
t of course though....You've certainly a lot to learn before you start blowing your balls spending big money, otherwise you really will squander tens of thousands buying all the wrong things....Tens and Tens of thousands.
R8VXF said:
The fuel is good for 30-50 bhp tops. I thank you all for your advice, point repeatedly taken. Now please can everyone stop mentioning money, turbos and any other irrelevance to this build.
As I stated earlier I was pointing out the merits of the lsa block, and am working on some airflow and charge cooling changes that will help reach my goals. As we know cold air is good, hot air is bad. Improve the airflow over the components lingenfelter used and this will help keep the air temps down.
I am going into this eyes wide open, trust me on this. If at any point I think more power will be bad then I will stop. But not before.
Forgive me for deleting the part of your post that I find offensive.As I stated earlier I was pointing out the merits of the lsa block, and am working on some airflow and charge cooling changes that will help reach my goals. As we know cold air is good, hot air is bad. Improve the airflow over the components lingenfelter used and this will help keep the air temps down.
I am going into this eyes wide open, trust me on this. If at any point I think more power will be bad then I will stop. But not before.
Fuel wise I think you have missed the point.
It's probably worth more than the 30-50 hp you state but more importantly you'll be receiving the most benefit from a race fuel at peak torque.
I'm sure you are doing your research but you really do need to take everything you read with a very large pinch of salt.
I certainly have been duped out of 1000s buying product that simply does not even come close to doing what it says it will do.
R8VXF said:
I was actually basing that statement on an independent dyno test of that specific race fuel on a 600bhp machine giving a 25bhp gain over pump fuel and associated spark advance. So yeah, I know nothing.
Actually....no.Not even close to comparable Barney.
If you are considering 109 then perhaps E85 may help as it's got great cooling properties.
Edited by Xpuffin on Thursday 18th February 20:20
I love how people say stuff like "yeah i'll be difficult, but i'll work out how to do it" and yet not mention any actual facts, or use any actual maths or physics to work out the answer!
Do you think F1 engine designers sit around saying "wow, next years engine is gonna be right good init. We'll get some wicked pistons and a stick on a right massive blower, it'll be mint, make 1 million horsepower"?
Or perhaps do you think they sit down, and actually work out for example what BMEP they need to make, or calculate the BSAC / BFSC required, the volumetric efficiency, the boosting system power and efficiency, or a million other factors that you can work out in advance to steer your development?
If you want to ACTUALLY make a real 1000bhp, then you're going to have to choose the second option. I'd suggest starting here:
Do you think F1 engine designers sit around saying "wow, next years engine is gonna be right good init. We'll get some wicked pistons and a stick on a right massive blower, it'll be mint, make 1 million horsepower"?
Or perhaps do you think they sit down, and actually work out for example what BMEP they need to make, or calculate the BSAC / BFSC required, the volumetric efficiency, the boosting system power and efficiency, or a million other factors that you can work out in advance to steer your development?
If you want to ACTUALLY make a real 1000bhp, then you're going to have to choose the second option. I'd suggest starting here:
Cheers Max, I am just starting out on this, I hope I have shown that the block was capable of taking the power, next up is calculating airflow requirements as you so rightly point out. I have found heads that flow a higher rate than the ported LSA heads, which is always a good start, will double check they can flow enough through the correct calcs.
Jez, your edit makes your post a bit better, but rather than just saying I am wrong, explain why I am wrong. This is a learning exercise for me after all. I respect your knowledge and value your friendship and would like to learn the technical stuff from you but I believe no-one in this country has tried what I am trying so give me a break and help.
@everyone
STOP MENTIONING MONEY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY
Jez, your edit makes your post a bit better, but rather than just saying I am wrong, explain why I am wrong. This is a learning exercise for me after all. I respect your knowledge and value your friendship and would like to learn the technical stuff from you but I believe no-one in this country has tried what I am trying so give me a break and help.
@everyone
STOP MENTIONING MONEY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY
Lingenfelter sell a crate 900bhp LSA based engine on pump gas. http://www.lingenfelter.com/product/L130286509.htm...
Might need the 4l whipple, but this build is on. Can we get a "HELLYEAH!"
Might need the 4l whipple, but this build is on. Can we get a "HELLYEAH!"
Master Bean said:
Shouty Shouty Shouty. I was looking forward to an interesting read but all I've seen is I'm better/more intelligent than you so there. Very childish for ph. Oh well.
Agreed, what a waste of forum space, another Turbotoaster thread.As I noted earlier, it's better to actually do something then write about it, although I'm assuming the reason to post before doing is to try and gather the knowledge which he doesn't have.
The OP has no mechanical talent or understanding, no writing skills, no people skills, just a fat wallet and a pie-in-the-sky vision. Sorry to be blunt, but who wants to read about someone blundering around wasting money? I'd be tempted to stick to whatever it was I was good at, better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than take to the internet and prove it to all and sundry.
Max_Torque said:
I love how people say stuff like "yeah i'll be difficult, but i'll work out how to do it" and yet not mention any actual facts, or use any actual maths or physics to work out the answer!
Do you think F1 engine designers sit around saying "wow, next years engine is gonna be right good init. We'll get some wicked pistons and a stick on a right massive blower, it'll be mint, make 1 million horsepower"?
Or perhaps do you think they sit down, and actually work out for example what BMEP they need to make, or calculate the BSAC / BFSC required, the volumetric efficiency, the boosting system power and efficiency, or a million other factors that you can work out in advance to steer your development?
If you want to ACTUALLY make a real 1000bhp, then you're going to have to choose the second option. I'd suggest starting here:
Yes, but he has bought an air filter remember.Do you think F1 engine designers sit around saying "wow, next years engine is gonna be right good init. We'll get some wicked pistons and a stick on a right massive blower, it'll be mint, make 1 million horsepower"?
Or perhaps do you think they sit down, and actually work out for example what BMEP they need to make, or calculate the BSAC / BFSC required, the volumetric efficiency, the boosting system power and efficiency, or a million other factors that you can work out in advance to steer your development?
If you want to ACTUALLY make a real 1000bhp, then you're going to have to choose the second option. I'd suggest starting here:
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