480 bhp and 1360 kg Saab 9000 Aero

480 bhp and 1360 kg Saab 9000 Aero

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xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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He's saying you will not have enough fuel based on the 630s for that power.
Who knows.

Either way it's pretty quick.

Nutty9000

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1,368 posts

101 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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xjay1337 said:
He's saying you will not have enough fuel based on the 630s for that power.
Who knows.

Either way it's pretty quick.
Given that then, the cams and bigger engine need 875s or even ID1000s to get the best out of them. Just a shame it struggles to put this much power down, let alone all that extra power.

Scobblelotcher

1,724 posts

113 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
xjay1337 said:
He's saying you will not have enough fuel based on the 630s for that power.
Who knows.

Either way it's pretty quick.
Given that then, the cams and bigger engine need 875s or even ID1000s to get the best out of them. Just a shame it struggles to put this much power down, let alone all that extra power.
Did Saab ever produce a AWD platform?

Is there anything else you can do to improve traction? It sounds like it’s already well beyond useable power.


anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Scobblelotcher said:
Did Saab ever produce a AWD platform?

Is there anything else you can do to improve traction? It sounds like it’s already well beyond useable power.
Not that early on but the engine will fit into a Calibra Turbo shell which came as a 4x4.

Nutty9000

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1,368 posts

101 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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wormus said:
Not that early on but the engine will fit into a Calibra Turbo shell which came as a 4x4.
Wonder if the drivetrain could be taken out of the Calibra and put into a 9k? I'm sure lots of welding/custom work would be needed.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
Wonder if the drivetrain could be taken out of the Calibra and put into a 9k? I'm sure lots of welding/custom work would be needed.
Possibly but not sure why you'd want to. Calibra was ace in the 80s

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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We're going round in circles here stating the same things over and over again.
I have seen just over 500 squeezed out of a GT3076, but that was flat out.
Your 2.4 litres is actually consuming the fuel and air the turbo is compressing, if it's demanding more than the injectors and turbo can supply then unless you fit larger ones thats it. That is why you see your boost pressure tailing off after a certain point as RPM increases - it simply can't keep up demand . Taking it to 3ltrs will only see a very similar power output....

Traction control in a high power fwd car is quite simple, as pointed out before fit a gear related boost controller then you can lower the boost in first and second, give it more or full boost in 3, 4 and 5 if it takes it.
There is no point waving your cock around saying you've got xyz bhp when you get beaten off the lights by a Micra.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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I've got one of these which works really well on my Monaro. Shame they've stopped making it but they do come up from time to time second hand. http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/racelogic-...

Also had it on my 300hp Fiat Coupe back in the late 90s.

Nutty9000

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1,368 posts

101 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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227bhp said:
We're going round in circles here stating the same things over and over again.
I have seen just over 500 squeezed out of a GT3076, but that was flat out.
Your 2.4 litres is actually consuming the fuel and air the turbo is compressing, if it's demanding more than the injectors and turbo can supply then unless you fit larger ones thats it. That is why you see your boost pressure tailing off after a certain point as RPM increases - it simply can't keep up demand . Taking it to 3ltrs will only see a very similar power output....

Traction control in a high power fwd car is quite simple, as pointed out before fit a gear related boost controller then you can lower the boost in first and second, give it more or full boost in 3, 4 and 5 if it takes it.
There is no point waving your cock around saying you've got xyz bhp when you get beaten off the lights by a Micra.
I don't think a gear-related boost controller is needed, it's mapped for 1 bar in 2nd gear then goes up to 1.7 bar in 3rd+.

madwrx

91 posts

207 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
Ok but let's say a b234 2.3 with a GT3071r and no other mods will make 450 bhp.

This 9k is bored to 2.4, has a bigger inlet and more aggressive Maptun 268 cams.

Am I assuming that the above mods yield no extra power?

Edited by Nutty9000 on Thursday 2nd November 22:35
my understanding is that the heads have a total amount of flow no matter what size you take the engine to. all the other mods will improve the torque output and usable power/torque band and lower boost threshold massivlely,, cams really just assist to open up the powerband and allow better top end flow compared to mild factory spec cams

the difference between ej20 and ej25 turbos on imprezas is that the 2litre will come on boost 1000 rpm later and lack maybe circa 100ftibs of torque on a decent size turbo - the 2.5 feels like a torque monster in comparison.. although peak bhp numbers will be very similar at the top end all assuming similar mods to each engine.

to really pull hard on that engine you,ll need something that flows a lot more air-maybe a gtx 3076(same turbine though but a much more efficient front billet compressor) - the next unit up the 35R will pull a LOT harder once its on boost but will lack maybe 80ft ibs at the lower end(the bit you drive most in)ie under 3500 to 3800 rpm but can easily crack 600 and the newest billet maybe heading past 650-serious numbers for a track car let alone a road car.

as i suggested earlier the gtx 3071 ver2 is rated at 550 or so but you dont nessarcarily have to run it that hard especially if you only want to sniff around 500 or so. it just flows a fair bit more air at any boost level compared to your current tubby-just gives a bit more scope for future tuning(if you even want that)

madwrx

91 posts

207 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Scobblelotcher said:
Slightly off topic but your knowledge and posts are great bud, you really know your stuff.

I had Imprezas and tuned them over the years (up to 380 so on the lower end) and have an idea on this stuff but nowhere near your depth of knowledge/experience.
certainly no expert but i,m on my 5th impreza and my 3rd forged engined car -so i,ve spent a lot of time playing with them- been lucky really that for the last few years that they,ve been a 3rd car behind our daily and my van-
modern cars are insanely fast but completely insulated and isolated-a couple of hours in mine and i,m smiling ear to ear lol(and a little deaf).
mines in at the moment, having a few bits done to various bits and bobs.

madwrx

91 posts

207 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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off topic but a 380 scoob is a pretty rapid car imo 0-100 circa 10 seconds.biggrin

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
I don't think a gear-related boost controller is needed, it's mapped for 1 bar in 2nd gear then goes up to 1.7 bar in 3rd+.
But what gears does it spin the wheels in? Also, does the ECU know what gear you are in?

MUN 802

47 posts

83 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Without sounding like a stalker.......any chance your called Simon and know a Chris Storrie/ Tom Daniels?

Mikeeb

409 posts

119 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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227bhp said:
But what gears does it spin the wheels in? Also, does the ECU know what gear you are in?
The ecu does a Calc between road speed and engine speed to work the gear out.

Nutty9000

Original Poster:

1,368 posts

101 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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MUN 802 said:
Without sounding like a stalker.......any chance your called Simon and know a Chris Storrie/ Tom Daniels?
That's me m8 small world! Who's this?

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Mikeeb said:
227bhp said:
But what gears does it spin the wheels in? Also, does the ECU know what gear you are in?
The ecu does a Calc between road speed and engine speed to work the gear out.
Ok thanks, It's probably linked to the ABS and using that.
So really all it should need is resetting to a lower boost threshold....

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
That's me m8 small world! Who's this?
Look out of your bedroom window, he'll be the one gurning from the bushes.

Mikeeb

409 posts

119 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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227bhp said:
But what gears does it spin the wheels in? Also, does the ECU know what gear you are in?
The ecu does a Calc between road speed and engine speed to work the gear out.

MUN 802

47 posts

83 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Nutty9000 said:
That's me m8 small world! Who's this?
Was showing the thread to Chris and said he knew the car. I'm Jake, know Chris and Tom from back home in Lytham.