Unexpected family wagon - 2006 4.4V8 Vogue (going in blind!)

Unexpected family wagon - 2006 4.4V8 Vogue (going in blind!)

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bolidemichael

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14,033 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th January
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I visited the local tyre place yesterday and asked them to remove a wheel — we gave it an inspection and a good going over with an air hose but there was no remarkable reveal of hidden gravel. So we got it onto the ramp and nothing loose or evident.



The mud did get into a lot of places, however!





We also replace one of the two missing undertray 10mm bolts



Today, I decided to proceed with the booking at Land Rover. They called me at the end of the day to tell me that there was no smoking gun but that they’re going to carry on investigating. Current suspicions are a damaged/blowing manifold that would require a new gasket and nine hours labour. I think that I’ll pop into them tomorrow and let them know that I was off roading and knocked the underside, just to illuminate the possible cause and consequence. Pray for me.

5 In a Row

1,515 posts

229 months

Thursday 25th January
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Hopefully during part 1 of their thorough investigation they might've spotted that you'd been off road in it - the mud MIGHT be a little clue of that? biggrin

bolidemichael

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14,033 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th January
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I can confirm that this was indeed the case biglaugh

E90_M3Ross

35,184 posts

214 months

Thursday 25th January
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It'd be bad luck to get an issue like that, and coincidental, right after going off road. I guess going off road does put a lot of stress on certain components but it'll be interesting to see if they find the cause.

I hope it isn't a manifold issue. That sounds like it'll be expensive!

carinaman

21,421 posts

174 months

Friday 26th January
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bolidemichael said:
It happens! Hopefully the suction cup will do the trick.

Dropped off this morning and they’ll fit them immediately in order to free up space in the garage on a busy Saturday!

Extra cool points for the KTM Duke 890R.

That crud by the lower suspension arm looks like pebble dashing. The only time I've offroaded is at that place west of High Wycombe. I think I'd rather use someone elses LR for off road frolics.

bolidemichael

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14,033 posts

203 months

Tuesday 30th January
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After the investigation, I’ve collected the car. They’re too busy to address it further at present and they didn’t charge me for their time — a worrying sign as they probably feel pity for the incoming potential cost.

They think that the manifold may have ripped a stud connecting it to the engine block — if so, and it has ripped off then they’d refuse the job as it’d involve removing the head in order to access it with a helicoil and from there is a risk that the issues may cascade.

Anyway, that’s tomorrow’s problem. In the meantime, I gave them a dozen sausage rolls straight out of the oven at Gregg’s as a thank you.

RicksAlfas

13,440 posts

246 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Sounds a bit odd. Can you remember clonking the exhaust? It would have needed a hefty bash to break a stud and I would have thought it would be visible with a bit of poking about.

macron

10,013 posts

168 months

Wednesday 31st January
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bolidemichael said:
. In the meantime, I gave them a dozen sausage rolls straight out of the oven at Gregg’s as a thank you.
Hashtag legend.

E90_M3Ross

35,184 posts

214 months

Wednesday 31st January
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Just seems bizarre to me, what are the odds of such a problem arising immediately after off roading? Do you think you knocked the exhaust? Even then, seems bizarre. Does it make the noise when revving in idle

Have you decided what to do/where to go? What happens if you keep driving it?

Biglips

1,338 posts

157 months

Thursday 1st February
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I did this to my s211 on the way home from France. Hit a sleeping gendarme at pace that I didn’t see because of low sun in my eyes and a completely random place to put one.

Hit and damaged the engine manifold. Sounded like a NASCAR all the way home from the south of France. The initial novelty of the noise wore off very rapidly….

bolidemichael

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14,033 posts

203 months

Friday 2nd February
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Confirmed today by LR that the manifold is cracked. I’m going to have to take it to an engineering shop to see what can be done. Bugger.

mercedeslimos

1,665 posts

171 months

Friday 2nd February
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Surely the best scenario here is not just replace, but upgrade!

Custom stainless 4-2-1 manifolds, release a few ponies and a few decibels!

bolidemichael

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203 months

Saturday 3rd February
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RicksAlfas said:
Sounds a bit odd. Can you remember clonking the exhaust? It would have needed a hefty bash to break a stud and I would have thought it would be visible with a bit of poking about.
There was a clonk underneath over an obstacle, which was disappointing as we had traversed it two or three times before.

bolidemichael

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203 months

Saturday 3rd February
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Biglips said:
I did this to my s211 on the way home from France. Hit a sleeping gendarme at pace that I didn’t see because of low sun in my eyes and a completely random place to put one.

Hit and damaged the engine manifold. Sounded like a NASCAR all the way home from the south of France. The initial novelty of the noise wore off very rapidly….
That sounds morbidly amusing.

Stick Legs

5,133 posts

167 months

Saturday 3rd February
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Give these friendly people a ring.

They’ll almost certainly have a good used manifold.

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bolidemichael

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Saturday 3rd February
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Stick Legs said:


Give these friendly people a ring.

They’ll almost certainly have a good used manifold.

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If one is required, that’ll prove very handy. Thanks

E90_M3Ross

35,184 posts

214 months

Saturday 3rd February
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Surely that's a better situation than a snapped stud, no?

Krikkit

26,672 posts

183 months

Sunday 4th February
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The aptly named "Gentlemen of salvage" are very good for L322 bits in good fettle as well, had a bunch of bits from them this last year

bolidemichael

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14,033 posts

203 months

Monday 5th February
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It may have a snapped stud!

I’m going to ask them for a written confirmation of what the assessment is.

Today, I went to Naismith’s Engineering in Wimbledon Park and he politely declined the job.

He recommended Millennium LR specialists in Purley and they were happy to look at the car and give a free quote… but charge £149 (or so!) per hour yikes

He also recommended ‘another specialist in Leatherhead’ whom I googled and found Jag and Land Surrey. I spoke to the proprietor, Billy, a really nice guy who also told me to kindly foxtrot oscar, as he was so, so busy at the present time and as per LR Wimbledon, didn’t want a car tying up a ramp. However, at £85 per hour, that’s more appealing and worth revisiting.

He recommended I try Keith Gott in Alton… so I called them and they asked me to send photos… not easy, so I suggested a report from LR Wimbledon and they said that’s suffice… however, they’re at £120/hour.

Ho hum, we do love an adventure don’t we, whether a metaphorical or actual off road one…

jeremyc

23,779 posts

286 months

Monday 5th February
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Also worth a call to AJS Tyres in Kingswood.

They're no-nonsense Land Rover and Range Rover specialists, and owned by a PHer to boot.

Don't expect any computers, or printed receipts, but the work and experience is top notch in my experience.