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I-am-the-reverend said:
Escy said:
It's all manufacturers.
Not really.Go to any fly blown third world country and most cars are Japanese or Korean. There is a very good reason for that.
Joey Deacon said:
It is amazing how used you can get to rough old four cylinder diesels. It is only when you go back to a petrol car do you realise how noisy and agricultural they really are.
I guess the more premium brands have a lot more sound deadening in the car to hide this more.
I have to disagree a little on this.I guess the more premium brands have a lot more sound deadening in the car to hide this more.
Granted, there have been some real bone rattlers out there, but not all have been. Now I have only owned 4 diesel cars in my life, driven many vans, first car was a 1990 fiesta followed by a 97 fiesta, both bloody awful engines, no power but loads of noise and vibration. They were 1.9's I think, purchases of convenience.
The 3rd was a 2005 Tucson 2.0 CDTi, engine was fine but clearly an industrial spec diesel.
The daily I currently own is a 2010 Kia Ceed estate, 1.6 cdti and it is refined, quiet and punchy, very much like a petrol and not really a new car at all.
What The Deuces said:
Because the dollar, euro and sterling are strong and Jap/Korean cars are cheaper and simpler to fix due to being more agricultural?
I don't think so. Even countries like Thailand have a massive preference for Japanese. Just about every taxi is a Corolla. When I went to Santo Domingo last year, I saw perhaps three or four Mercedes or BMW. No VW stuff at all, odd when you think how many Beetles were sold worldwide. A lot seem to be imported as used cars. You do see a few big US pickups etc. I just don't think European cars can stand up to the neglect and battering.
I-am-the-reverend said:
Go to any fly blown third world country and most cars are Japanese or Korean. There is a very good reason for that.
Kia and Hyundai have a pretty terrible reputation for engine issues: https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-and-kia-will-lose-2-b...
Still happening recently with the mild hybrids.
I-am-the-reverend said:
Yes, the recent stuff is pretty grim. It's mainly the older Sonatas you see rumbling along.
I'd only consider Toyota or Honda myself although Mitsubishi and Suzuki have decent reputations.
You don't see the Taliban in JLR stuff - Toyota only & in places like Qatar the locals stick to Landcruisers even though they could buy literally anything they want.I'd only consider Toyota or Honda myself although Mitsubishi and Suzuki have decent reputations.
I replaced the copper washers on the Injectors this evening, just for piece of mind.
I also found the suspension knock I mentioned on the last page,which was just a control arm bolt that needed nipping up.
It's running and driving great. I'm really happy with it other then it just sounds a bit ropey. As I've just rebuilt it, I'm a bit sensitive to how it sounds. I still don't think it's right, then I hear a video of another and they sound similar It's hard to really tell with videos from phones. I need to hear another one in the flesh.
I found a decent video of another one. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYbt6oCE/
It's done 1200 miles so far, no change in the way it sounds, it's not getting louder. I feel like if it was going to burst it would have by now. I'm waiting on the results from the oil sample test, that's going to tell me if I'm in the clear or not.
I also found the suspension knock I mentioned on the last page,which was just a control arm bolt that needed nipping up.
It's running and driving great. I'm really happy with it other then it just sounds a bit ropey. As I've just rebuilt it, I'm a bit sensitive to how it sounds. I still don't think it's right, then I hear a video of another and they sound similar It's hard to really tell with videos from phones. I need to hear another one in the flesh.
I found a decent video of another one. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYbt6oCE/
It's done 1200 miles so far, no change in the way it sounds, it's not getting louder. I feel like if it was going to burst it would have by now. I'm waiting on the results from the oil sample test, that's going to tell me if I'm in the clear or not.
Mr Pointy said:
I-am-the-reverend said:
Yes, the recent stuff is pretty grim. It's mainly the older Sonatas you see rumbling along.
I'd only consider Toyota or Honda myself although Mitsubishi and Suzuki have decent reputations.
You don't see the Taliban in JLR stuff - Toyota only & in places like Qatar the locals stick to Landcruisers even though they could buy literally anything they want.I'd only consider Toyota or Honda myself although Mitsubishi and Suzuki have decent reputations.
I've had the results of the oil sample test back, thanks to Stick Legs / Peter for sorting that out for me.
It's all good, there's nothing to worry about. Although it's loud I know It's not chewing itself up so I can rest easy (famous last words!).
I drove it to Cornwall last night, my first proper usage of it since the first weekend it was up and running. It's nice to drive, I really like it. It's good on the motorway, with the remap it's got decent torque. I got 44mpg which I thought was pretty good going.
The Mini is sold and I've taken a deposit on the Cayenne. The plan at the start was the value of them would cover the cost of the Jag and that's worked out, about £500 short.
I'm committed now, I'm all in on the Jag. What could go wrong?!
Shall we do a sweepstake on how long before I need to make an emergency car purchase?
It's all good, there's nothing to worry about. Although it's loud I know It's not chewing itself up so I can rest easy (famous last words!).
I drove it to Cornwall last night, my first proper usage of it since the first weekend it was up and running. It's nice to drive, I really like it. It's good on the motorway, with the remap it's got decent torque. I got 44mpg which I thought was pretty good going.
The Mini is sold and I've taken a deposit on the Cayenne. The plan at the start was the value of them would cover the cost of the Jag and that's worked out, about £500 short.
I'm committed now, I'm all in on the Jag. What could go wrong?!
Shall we do a sweepstake on how long before I need to make an emergency car purchase?
Escy said:
I'm committed now, I'm all in on the Jag. What could go wrong?!
Shall we do a sweepstake on how long before I need to make an emergency car purchase?
Just get monthly oil samples done (and obviously don't drive it until the results come through) and you'll (probably) be fine Shall we do a sweepstake on how long before I need to make an emergency car purchase?
Looks like they've got a new approach to fixing these in Preston... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-652...
silentbrown said:
Looks like they've got a new approach to fixing these in Preston... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-652...
You bad man 
Good news on the oil sample.
My mindset has changed a little bit. I've always said I don't think it sounds right. They all sound ropey on video's so I was hoping it wasn't too bad compared to others. My brother has a mate that has a 67 plate with 30k miles on it. I went to listen to it, it sounded quiet, not loud at all. So now I'm more concerned than I was previously. Mine definately isn't right.
My engine just seems to be generally loud rather than a specific noise I can pick up. Although I have noticed it has a slight rattle sound when you back off the throttle. Typically I'd think timing chain. The chains were all new from the last owner but I don't know if he bought a complete kit with all the sprockets or a more basic one. Either way, the engine had failed after it'd been fitted so in retrospect I should have bought all new. The tensioners are oil fed.
The variable camshaft actuator is something else that I didn't replace which is something else fed by oil. I've had petrol Alfa Romeo's that have had a VVT actuator that clattered and made it sound like a diesel when these go bad. Like this video.
It's probably a wrong diagnosis, these rattles mainly happen on cold start and I've got no fault codes that would suggest the cam actuator isn't acting like it should but it could possibly be my issue. I did see Ford had an issue with the actuators on their modern V6 Ecoboost engines where you'd get a rattle on the over-run caused by oil pressure in the VVT actuators (that they solved with a software update) so these can make noise. I figure it's not as easy to pick out this noise on a diesel engine that is louder and clattery anyway.
I can change this actuator without needing to pull the engine back out or remove the gearbox, although I'm sure it'll be a total pain to do. I could also replace the upper chain and it's tensioner whilst I'm there. It'll probably be a fruitless endeavour, I've got 2 weeks before the Cayenne gets collected so figure it's worth a shot.
At least now I've had the oil results back I know there's nothing serious to worry about.
Here's a picture of the chains with the actuator (top right) that I will replace.
My engine just seems to be generally loud rather than a specific noise I can pick up. Although I have noticed it has a slight rattle sound when you back off the throttle. Typically I'd think timing chain. The chains were all new from the last owner but I don't know if he bought a complete kit with all the sprockets or a more basic one. Either way, the engine had failed after it'd been fitted so in retrospect I should have bought all new. The tensioners are oil fed.
The variable camshaft actuator is something else that I didn't replace which is something else fed by oil. I've had petrol Alfa Romeo's that have had a VVT actuator that clattered and made it sound like a diesel when these go bad. Like this video.
It's probably a wrong diagnosis, these rattles mainly happen on cold start and I've got no fault codes that would suggest the cam actuator isn't acting like it should but it could possibly be my issue. I did see Ford had an issue with the actuators on their modern V6 Ecoboost engines where you'd get a rattle on the over-run caused by oil pressure in the VVT actuators (that they solved with a software update) so these can make noise. I figure it's not as easy to pick out this noise on a diesel engine that is louder and clattery anyway.
I can change this actuator without needing to pull the engine back out or remove the gearbox, although I'm sure it'll be a total pain to do. I could also replace the upper chain and it's tensioner whilst I'm there. It'll probably be a fruitless endeavour, I've got 2 weeks before the Cayenne gets collected so figure it's worth a shot.
At least now I've had the oil results back I know there's nothing serious to worry about.
Here's a picture of the chains with the actuator (top right) that I will replace.
Edited by Escy on Sunday 9th April 11:22
Edited by Escy on Sunday 9th April 11:24
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