Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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youngsyr said:
I suspect there's a lot of rose tinted glasses going on here.
There's a reason there are very few cars from the 80s around now and even fewer that haven't had a significant amount of time and effort put into restoring them.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of 10 year old plus cars on the road and some even come with 7 year warranties.
Probably due to the culture of going after the new shiny thing and not fixing what you have.. If those cars had been fixed/maintained even as their values dropped, they would be still going.. Nothing to do with the cars themselves.There's a reason there are very few cars from the 80s around now and even fewer that haven't had a significant amount of time and effort put into restoring them.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of 10 year old plus cars on the road and some even come with 7 year warranties.
Agree re the rose tinted glasses and 40 year old cars. in 1970 my first car at 17 was an 850 Mini.
I drove it all over the UK and Europe in the next 5 years, and thought it was great, even through the Alps.
Running out of brakes coming down alpine passes was almost amusing, if only because of the cartoon sound effects from the passenger seat.
Fast forward to 2002, me, now 49, agrees to buy and fettle a somewhat later BL Mini for a friend's son, for his 18th birthday.
Bought and fettled it, set off for mid-Wales from Cambridge at 3pm on a summer Friday afternoon.
Long story short, 4 hours later I got out of the car in a petrol station in Dudley, desperate to stretch my limbs, and promptly fell over, due to my left leg having gone to sleep after nose to tail traffic on the M6. So much for the comfortable little car of my youth.....
I drove it all over the UK and Europe in the next 5 years, and thought it was great, even through the Alps.
Running out of brakes coming down alpine passes was almost amusing, if only because of the cartoon sound effects from the passenger seat.
Fast forward to 2002, me, now 49, agrees to buy and fettle a somewhat later BL Mini for a friend's son, for his 18th birthday.
Bought and fettled it, set off for mid-Wales from Cambridge at 3pm on a summer Friday afternoon.
Long story short, 4 hours later I got out of the car in a petrol station in Dudley, desperate to stretch my limbs, and promptly fell over, due to my left leg having gone to sleep after nose to tail traffic on the M6. So much for the comfortable little car of my youth.....
Yeah, I find cars have shrunk too.
I first had a 1098cc clubman saloon in bright green. Loved it, swore I'd never get rid. Regularly used to drive places 4 or 5 up.
Fast forward 30 years and my mate has one now as a runabout - I tried it on the other day and I swear it's an awful lot smaller than my old one was!
I might have grown outwards a bit, but not that much!
I do think you get used to anything though. I put my V8 defender back together earlier in the year. After not having driven it for a year, it felt extremely odd driving it again. But in all cases, I don't mind a car that "requires driving" compared to transporting you around the places - a few minutes getting use to the clutch bite etc and you adapt to whatever it is.
I first had a 1098cc clubman saloon in bright green. Loved it, swore I'd never get rid. Regularly used to drive places 4 or 5 up.
Fast forward 30 years and my mate has one now as a runabout - I tried it on the other day and I swear it's an awful lot smaller than my old one was!
I might have grown outwards a bit, but not that much!
I do think you get used to anything though. I put my V8 defender back together earlier in the year. After not having driven it for a year, it felt extremely odd driving it again. But in all cases, I don't mind a car that "requires driving" compared to transporting you around the places - a few minutes getting use to the clutch bite etc and you adapt to whatever it is.
youngsyr said:
I suspect there's a lot of rose tinted glasses going on here.
There's a reason there are very few cars from the 80s around now and even fewer that haven't had a significant amount of time and effort put into restoring them.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of 10 year old plus cars on the road and some even come with 7 year warranties.
OK. There's a reason there are very few cars from the 80s around now and even fewer that haven't had a significant amount of time and effort put into restoring them.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of 10 year old plus cars on the road and some even come with 7 year warranties.
My Mrs had a 2007 A4 Convertible.
At eight years old it needed new front wings. It went through sensors, it leaked like a f
ked fridge. ReformedPistonhead said:
I feel the same about my sons MGB. When I was 17 my dad had one and I got to drive it once (uninsured obvs).
In my mind they are comfy and spacious.
Now 30 minutes in my sons one and I am crippled.
MGB? Luxury In my mind they are comfy and spacious.
Now 30 minutes in my sons one and I am crippled.
We've just picked up a Midget for my son, which very definitely puts modern cars into perspective. But then with a TF and an old V8 Land Rover in the stable, British cars with compromised driving positions are rather de rigeur around here.Due to having rather longer legs than are appropriate for my arm length, I've always struggled with legroom. Back in the day, my old 850 Mini effectively had an accelerator switch - I couldn't hold my foot at half-throttle for more than a very short time before cramp set in (well, that was my excuse, at least).
stevemcs said:
I managed to record an ingenium in an Evoque today if you want it for comparison
I've heard a nice sounding one in the flesh so I know mines not right but it wouldn't hurt to hear another one. Have seen a few videos online and there's a range, I have heard plenty of ropey ones. Someone on my YouTube commented about trying some Cera Tec additive. https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/gb/cera-tec-p000017....
I've never touched this sort of thing but I'm wondering if it's worth a go? It can't hurt (or can it?!)
Escy said:
stevemcs said:
I managed to record an ingenium in an Evoque today if you want it for comparison
I've heard a nice sounding one in the flesh so I know mines not right but it wouldn't hurt to hear another one. Have seen a few videos online and there's a range, I have heard plenty of ropey ones. Someone on my YouTube commented about trying some Cera Tec additive. https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/gb/cera-tec-p000017....
I've never touched this sort of thing but I'm wondering if it's worth a go? It can't hurt (or can it?!)
Went to a site meeting today and one of the guys was talking cars. He mentioned that his wifes 3yr old 2 litre diesel jag had failed. I said to him ' so, I guess Jaguar said to your wife that its the way she has driven it as to why it failed' . He looked at me in shock and said ' yes, that's what they said. They said she must have used it for the school run' He said that she replied ' well, my kids are all driving themselves and don't go to school anymore'
So, the JLR dealers are obviously looking to blame others on a 3yr old turbo going pop at 40k miles . I said to google the ingenium engine failures for any more information he may need to argue the case.
So, the JLR dealers are obviously looking to blame others on a 3yr old turbo going pop at 40k miles . I said to google the ingenium engine failures for any more information he may need to argue the case.
I'm using this bank holiday weekend to have a crack at making the Jaguar engine quieter. The plan is to pull the engine back out and replace the cam chains, VVT actuator on the exhaust cam and fix a few oil leaks.
This is the front crank seal, slight weep from it. I had one that came in the engine gasket kit I bought last time. I didn't fit it, just decided to leave the old one in place as it required a special tool and I was sick of spending out on special tools.
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Leak from someone on the back end, I'd assume crank seal or leak on the instant gasket used to seal the timing cover. Not a huge leak.
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I'd get a bit of oil at the bottom of the sump, it looks like it's coming from the where the driveshaft runs through the sump so I'm assuming diff output seal. Again, not a huge leak.
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The stuff I've bought to fit.
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I've got a complete timing chain kit with all the sprockets. I don't think there is anything wrong with the stuff on it, there is a slight rattle sound as you back off the throttle which could potentially be chain related. The previous owner bought timing chains when he re-built the engine, at that point I was being careful with money/tight so decided not to replace them again. The thing is I don't know exactly what he bought, it could have just been the chains and guides so I've decided to replace everything just so I know it's all done. The sprockets on it now could have potentially seen the engine seize up twice. Also the tensioners are oil fed so it makes sense to replace it all.
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Front and rear crank seals along with the special tool to fit the front one.
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The VVT actuator, just a total punt that it would be noisy if it went bad based on experience with other engines. I'm probably pissing in the wind but I figure it's worth a shot. I spoke to a specialist who told me they replaced them when re-building their engines.
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The fancy bolt to fit the actuator. The manual says to replace this bolt (it says to replace practically every bolt on the car) which I didn't do last time around.
This is the front crank seal, slight weep from it. I had one that came in the engine gasket kit I bought last time. I didn't fit it, just decided to leave the old one in place as it required a special tool and I was sick of spending out on special tools.
IMG_20230506_181638102Leak from someone on the back end, I'd assume crank seal or leak on the instant gasket used to seal the timing cover. Not a huge leak.
IMG_20230506_181656337I'd get a bit of oil at the bottom of the sump, it looks like it's coming from the where the driveshaft runs through the sump so I'm assuming diff output seal. Again, not a huge leak.
IMG_20230506_181647012The stuff I've bought to fit.
IMG_20230506_165123802I've got a complete timing chain kit with all the sprockets. I don't think there is anything wrong with the stuff on it, there is a slight rattle sound as you back off the throttle which could potentially be chain related. The previous owner bought timing chains when he re-built the engine, at that point I was being careful with money/tight so decided not to replace them again. The thing is I don't know exactly what he bought, it could have just been the chains and guides so I've decided to replace everything just so I know it's all done. The sprockets on it now could have potentially seen the engine seize up twice. Also the tensioners are oil fed so it makes sense to replace it all.
IMG_20230506_165144518Front and rear crank seals along with the special tool to fit the front one.
IMG_20230506_165138961The VVT actuator, just a total punt that it would be noisy if it went bad based on experience with other engines. I'm probably pissing in the wind but I figure it's worth a shot. I spoke to a specialist who told me they replaced them when re-building their engines.
IMG_20230506_165132885The fancy bolt to fit the actuator. The manual says to replace this bolt (it says to replace practically every bolt on the car) which I didn't do last time around.
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