Dacia Duster, 999cc of Throbbing Fun

Dacia Duster, 999cc of Throbbing Fun

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MC Bodge

21,933 posts

177 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Sonosp said:
The 1.5 lump is even faster and more torquey with a race chip like mine.


It feels sluggish and slow with it in stock mode now. MPG has taken a 20% boost too!
..or the trip computer is now over-reading due to the change in mapping?

Emeye

9,773 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Does anyone ever trust a trip computer on anything?

23.7

27,147 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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I've never understood how mapping for economy works.

It's the same engine, pumping losses, gearing, presumably not over fueling. So how do they get it to use less fuel whilst generating the same power output?

Edited by 23.7 on Thursday 23 September 11:54

andburg

7,385 posts

171 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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inject at a higher pressure for better atomisation
advance the timing of the injection so you get more work from it

various things they do but a simple box generally does the first, when acceleration is requested the box tells the ECU fuel rail pressure is low so it overcompensates.

at low revs you wont be running full fuel pressure, by increasing it you can boost low down pull. More fuel per injection but the increase in torque means you can be a gear higher to inject less times.

that's how i understand it anyway

MC Bodge

21,933 posts

177 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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andburg said:
inject at a higher pressure for better atomisation
advance the timing of the injection so you get more work from it

various things they do but a simple box generally does the first, when acceleration is requested the box tells the ECU fuel rail pressure is low so it overcompensates.

at low revs you wont be running full fuel pressure, by increasing it you can boost low down pull. More fuel per injection but the increase in torque means you can be a gear higher to inject less times.

that's how i understand it anyway
The trip computer doesn't know that more fuel is being injected per cycle.

andburg

7,385 posts

171 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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yeah, you cant trust the trip computer for economy calculations

but the above is how i believe cheap tuning boxes work

remaps don't need to fool the ecu but still have the same effect

Sonosp

92 posts

61 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Yep, thats basically how it works.

The flatspot in 3rd gear is totally gone now, gear shifting is smoother - First gear isnt horrible now.


ch37

10,642 posts

223 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Why would Dacia not pick this up during testing, if it's such an easy software fix? I assume there must be some trade-off, otherwise it would come straight out of the factory with that tune (for economy in particular).

blueST

4,415 posts

218 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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ch37 said:
Why would Dacia not pick this up during testing, if it's such an easy software fix? I assume there must be some trade-off, otherwise it would come straight out of the factory with that tune (for economy in particular).
It's highly likely any flat spot is to pass some quirk of the emissions testing process.

MC Bodge

21,933 posts

177 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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ch37 said:
Why would Dacia not pick this up during testing, if it's such an easy software fix? I assume there must be some trade-off, otherwise it would come straight out of the factory with that tune (for economy in particular).
Probably for some very specific emissions testing rules and possibly fuel quality variation?

Emeye

9,773 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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MC Bodge said:
Probably for some very specific emissions testing rules and possibly fuel quality variation?
My understanding was they had to map the engine to allow it to run on all sorts of stty fuel you could find in different countries.
Then dieselgate made things complicated.

croyde

23,192 posts

232 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Talking of shoity fuel, my first tank of E10 is showing noticeably worse mpg during similar to the last tank (E5) driving conditions.

I didn't think why until reading tha a lot of motorists are complaining of lower MPG.

Seeing as there is less petrol in it, I wouldn't complain if it was cheaper to buy.

Haltamer

2,460 posts

82 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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croyde said:
I didn't think why until reading tha a lot of motorists are complaining of lower MPG.

Seeing as there is less petrol in it, I wouldn't complain if it was cheaper to buy.
Lower calorific value - I think I may be correct in saying they slightly reduced fuel duties in Europe after switching over.

Perhaps E10 is more of a quiet fuel duty rise than an environmental change? I'll fetch the tinfoil.

muchacho

255 posts

136 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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politeperson said:
Looks like a bargain to me! Everything in the second hand car world is so expensive at the moment.

You need to give us a full report on the Somerset adventure.
She went like a dream. Is comfortable and more than kept up with traffic at 80-odd. In the negative column was only an absence of admiring glances. I suspect in time that I will take a bit of knowing approval but who cares when you can push your foot into the carpet and ride the (Garrett) wave. The fun runs out at 3.5k rpm but honestly which four cylinder diesel turbo can give more?

I only went to the Cotswolds today but if you told me that I had to set-out for the Hundu Kush tomorrow morning then I would have no qualms in taking the Duster.

Mikebentley

6,227 posts

142 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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We have another member of the alternative motoring choice fraternity.

Mikebentley

6,227 posts

142 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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It’s becoming a cult.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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Think we need a Dacia section in the forum

muchacho

255 posts

136 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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There isn’t one already?

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 23rd September 2021
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muchacho said:
There isn’t one already?
I dont think so, Dacia isn't even an option on the drop downs if you want to add a one to your garage, you'd think PH admin would realise that they produce the best selling car in Europe

muchacho

255 posts

136 months

Friday 24th September 2021
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47 mpg over 489 miles.