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rantrantrant said:
Overrun, while your on your high horse you better go tell your mates down at the MOT station to stop passing people with stretched tyres if that post means anything. Also some warnings are a little exaggerated
Eg:
"Fragile. Do not drop." -- Posted on a Boeing 757
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.Eg:
"Fragile. Do not drop." -- Posted on a Boeing 757
RXED said:
Although thats only one case, fair enough. Im suprised no tyre manufactures or independant companies have run tests or shown anything to the public.
How do you know it's the only case?Why would tyre manufacturers waste money on testing their tyres on rims they don't fit on?
OnTheOverrun said:
RXED said:
Although thats only one case, fair enough. Im suprised no tyre manufactures or independant companies have run tests or shown anything to the public.
How do you know it's the only case?Why would tyre manufacturers waste money on testing their tyres on rims they don't fit on?
i understand what your saying about tyre manufacturers, i didnt think of it like that. But why have no independant companies or VOSA tested this out? Or even a magazine, Golf+, PVW??
rantrantrant said:
Overrun, while your on your high horse you better go tell your mates down at the MOT station to stop passing people with stretched tyres if that post means anything. Also some warnings are a little exaggerated
Eg:
"Fragile. Do not drop." -- Posted on a Boeing 757
MOT testers do fail cars for any incorrect rim and tyre size combination as you can see in this link. Even having a spare tyre on an old land rover where the rim is too narrow for the width of tyre is a fail:Eg:
"Fragile. Do not drop." -- Posted on a Boeing 757
http://forum.landrovernet.com/archive/index.php/t-...
Which is why most stretched tyre fashion victims bolt some different rims on for the MOT. . . . .
RXED said:
OnTheOverrun said:
RXED said:
Although thats only one case, fair enough. Im suprised no tyre manufactures or independant companies have run tests or shown anything to the public.
How do you know it's the only case?Why would tyre manufacturers waste money on testing their tyres on rims they don't fit on?
i understand what your saying about tyre manufacturers, i didnt think of it like that. But why have no independant companies or VOSA tested this out? Or even a magazine, Golf+, PVW??
Do you also expect people to test petrol cars running on diesel or fit mud-terrian tyres to Ferrari's to see what happens. The tyre manufacturers have already said which combinations are safe and which aren't.
I dont know of any life threatening issues related to putting petrol in a diesel, nor have I ever heard of fitting off road tyres to ferrari's.
But being as the internet in littered with people in the 'Modding' scene fighting about what is safe and what is not, and the high volume of vehicles driving around with stretched tyres, I think it is of genuine interest for at least a magazine involved with the scene to run some official tests. And IF there are a high volume of accidents related to tyre stretching, then why would VOSA or someone like that not also run tests?
But being as the internet in littered with people in the 'Modding' scene fighting about what is safe and what is not, and the high volume of vehicles driving around with stretched tyres, I think it is of genuine interest for at least a magazine involved with the scene to run some official tests. And IF there are a high volume of accidents related to tyre stretching, then why would VOSA or someone like that not also run tests?
Damn "modders" trying to stretch tyres on a 4x4...
http://image03.webshots.com/3/1/87/68/9718768GYYXF...
Don't even bother this guy aint gonna budge, it's like trying to speak french to your dog and then realising...wait he doesn't speak french!
http://image03.webshots.com/3/1/87/68/9718768GYYXF...
Don't even bother this guy aint gonna budge, it's like trying to speak french to your dog and then realising...wait he doesn't speak french!
RXED said:
'To my mind from what i know of tyres and how they work it seems like a bad idea as in theory by stretching tyres there is no flex left in the sidewall. Meaning under heavy cornering it will be pulling at the rim directly unlike with correctly fitted tyres which have the sidewall flex to alleviate that problem to a large extent.'
Excuse my ignorance, but would this not also be the case on very low profile tyres? like those fitted to sports cars? A smaller side wall creating less sidewall movement and less tyre flex?
Whoops previous post was in error. Anyway to retype. Good point. The thought occured to me whilst typing my last comments but needed grub so didnt really think about it. Will give it a bit of thought and get back to you.Excuse my ignorance, but would this not also be the case on very low profile tyres? like those fitted to sports cars? A smaller side wall creating less sidewall movement and less tyre flex?
Edited by RXED on Monday 7th September 21:23
Greendubber said:
tossbag said:
bigburd said:
Driving home from a fantastic day at Dunton, I passed Northampton (ED38 kicking out time) and there was loads and loads of them running wrong sized tyres - many of the wheels were extending far beyond the wheel arches and they all looked completely stooooopid IMHO. Where do you stand with regards to MOT? Do you put normal wheels tyres on to circumnavigate the system or do you submit with these wheels/tyres on?
None of that matters, Greendub sold a few tyres at a place he will not comment on, surrounded by stretched tyre experts that he is bored of talking about even though he hasn't talked about them.No personal offense was meant
rantrantrant said:
Damn "modders" trying to stretch tyres on a 4x4...
http://image03.webshots.com/3/1/87/68/9718768GYYXF...
Don't even bother this guy aint gonna budge, it's like trying to speak french to your dog and then realising...wait he doesn't speak french!
It's just like speaking to greendubber - lots of opinions and constantly asking others to back-up their position but will never any evidence themself. . . . .http://image03.webshots.com/3/1/87/68/9718768GYYXF...
Don't even bother this guy aint gonna budge, it's like trying to speak french to your dog and then realising...wait he doesn't speak french!
Nah, can't be greendubber. I'm sure he's read the site T's & C's. . . . . .
Still, nice of you to pop up out of nowhere as soon as greendubber stops posting and you happen to be an engineer as well! You'd hardly credit it would you?
PS - your link is as broken as your argument.
Edited by OnTheOverrun on Tuesday 8th September 00:07
Having been sat in bed all day poorly (3 out of 8 symptoms of swine flu - AM I GOING TO DIE?) I have read through this thread as well as MANY others.
There is the usual divide of people who love aesthetically modified cars and those that don't see the point.
Being honest, Marco-Sparco's Golf must be described as good as he has clearly done a professional job of applying his chosen modifications but as with many other cars the process of making it unique has made it look like any other modified Golf, particularly the de-badged grill (as seen on most Irmscher Vauxhalls). What makes it stand out is the apparent quality of work.
BUT....
Whilst I will gratefully be proven wrong, I find it hard to believe that this car is properly insured. If Marco-Sparco had a high value accident (ran into a bus stop killing 25 people for example) his insurance company would be all over his car with a microscope.
Whilst the safety aspect of stretched tyres is debatable the legal side is not. Marco-Sparco's insurance company would laugh their socks off whilst tearing up the seven figure pay out cheques.
Marco-Sparco, please, please prove otherwise and post up your cover note (with personal details covered of course) showing all of your stated modifications, including incorrectly sized tryes.
The amount of modified low insurance group cars that are sold as being cheap to insure astounds me. It is simply a case of forgetting to mention the rather obvious excuses for the insurers not to pay.
As I said above, each to their own on the modifications but why would someone spend their hard earned cash on making their insurance invalid and therefore risk losing their pride and joy, having rather large debts to settle and potentially meeting Mr Big at Her Majesty's Pleasure??
I eagerly wait...
There is the usual divide of people who love aesthetically modified cars and those that don't see the point.
Being honest, Marco-Sparco's Golf must be described as good as he has clearly done a professional job of applying his chosen modifications but as with many other cars the process of making it unique has made it look like any other modified Golf, particularly the de-badged grill (as seen on most Irmscher Vauxhalls). What makes it stand out is the apparent quality of work.
BUT....
Whilst I will gratefully be proven wrong, I find it hard to believe that this car is properly insured. If Marco-Sparco had a high value accident (ran into a bus stop killing 25 people for example) his insurance company would be all over his car with a microscope.
Whilst the safety aspect of stretched tyres is debatable the legal side is not. Marco-Sparco's insurance company would laugh their socks off whilst tearing up the seven figure pay out cheques.
Marco-Sparco, please, please prove otherwise and post up your cover note (with personal details covered of course) showing all of your stated modifications, including incorrectly sized tryes.
The amount of modified low insurance group cars that are sold as being cheap to insure astounds me. It is simply a case of forgetting to mention the rather obvious excuses for the insurers not to pay.
As I said above, each to their own on the modifications but why would someone spend their hard earned cash on making their insurance invalid and therefore risk losing their pride and joy, having rather large debts to settle and potentially meeting Mr Big at Her Majesty's Pleasure??
I eagerly wait...
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