Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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Mr_Megalomaniac said:
This.
A few years back before buying I was doing all the research into reliability, etc.
Bottom of the list? Diesels.
3rd most reliable? Petrol Jags.
There's that gents.
And A few years back before buying I was doing all the research into reliability, etc.
Bottom of the list? Diesels.
3rd most reliable? Petrol Jags.
There's that gents.
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silentbrown said:
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silentbrown said:
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
This.
A few years back before buying I was doing all the research into reliability, etc.
Bottom of the list? Diesels.
3rd most reliable? Petrol Jags.
There's that gents.
And A few years back before buying I was doing all the research into reliability, etc.
Bottom of the list? Diesels.
3rd most reliable? Petrol Jags.
There's that gents.
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/exclusive-...
"10,000 Jaguar Land Rovers off the road due to huge parts shortage"
Just sold an Evoque with the 2.0 ingenium diesel.
At just under 80k miles,
absolutely nothing whatsoever went wrong with it in that time, and that was at standard 20k mile service intervals.
Probably helped by the fact that we live in the country, and it was our days out car so used mainly on longish runs. My wife did use it for work quite a lot as well, but that was also half hour country sprints, not sat in traffic.
But at the last service (local garage) the mechanic pointed out that the timing chain was starting to rattle. The quote to fix over the phone from another local garage was 2k, possibly running to 2.5k. The local Land Rover dealer was apparently unaware of the problem and would have to see the car before a diagnosis / quote.
Predicting future heartbreak and financial ruin, I sold it immediately.
But I do think that with the upgraded timing chain kit, the engine fully cleaned out, oil changed every 10k, only used for longish runs, it could be a nice car to own. Until the electronics start to fail.
At just under 80k miles,
absolutely nothing whatsoever went wrong with it in that time, and that was at standard 20k mile service intervals.
Probably helped by the fact that we live in the country, and it was our days out car so used mainly on longish runs. My wife did use it for work quite a lot as well, but that was also half hour country sprints, not sat in traffic.
But at the last service (local garage) the mechanic pointed out that the timing chain was starting to rattle. The quote to fix over the phone from another local garage was 2k, possibly running to 2.5k. The local Land Rover dealer was apparently unaware of the problem and would have to see the car before a diagnosis / quote.
Predicting future heartbreak and financial ruin, I sold it immediately.
But I do think that with the upgraded timing chain kit, the engine fully cleaned out, oil changed every 10k, only used for longish runs, it could be a nice car to own. Until the electronics start to fail.
Escy said:
Even with a positive ownership experience, the engine showing signs it needed a chain at 80k is outrageous when you think about it.
A chain should last the life of the engine...it appears however that all manufacturers have at one point or another failed at least once to engineer that to be the case so personally I'd rather get one with a belt (just not a wet belt). It's far easier and cheaper to be swapped and has a clearly defined service life....which is longer than most chains seem to last (125k for my current car, 100k for the previous for example)!Also from a performance aspect a belt is quieter and lighter.
G Thang said:
Oh yes, the positive experience turned into a massive negative at a stroke.
Pretty pissed off really as when the wife had finished with it as her nice car, I was going to keep it and run it into the ground as a workhorse / offroader. After several years, obviously.
Did you warn your buyer that the chain had issues & would need replacing? Pretty pissed off really as when the wife had finished with it as her nice car, I was going to keep it and run it into the ground as a workhorse / offroader. After several years, obviously.
Mr Pointy said:
Did you warn your buyer that the chain had issues & would need replacing?
Well I'm somewhat offended by that, because trying to sell something with a potential major fault at top dollar is far removed from what I would do. As I said already, I
sold immediately, and to do that it went to a dealer for a pitiful price. They were aware of the issues. They all are at this point, the offer price on these is incredibly low, and due to the internet, is exactly the same wherever you go. There was plenty of money in it to repair and sell on for a healthy profit. Personally, I was debating getting it done, as financially it could well have worked out better, but I didn't fancy the potential for further things to go wrong and decided to cut my losses.
A.J.M said:
Is the 20k oil changes not partially at fault here for the chain issues?
BMW have an engine that’s notorious for chain issues as well. Do they have such long service intervals.
Who knows. The upgraded (2019 on engine) kit has a much stronger chain and supposedly doesn't have the problem. Also the upgraded tensioners are a more durable plastic. Contrary to popular opinion, synthetic oil can actually last a very long time, but if it's full of plastic dust they can block the oil pick up. Diesel carbon probably doesn't help much either.BMW have an engine that’s notorious for chain issues as well. Do they have such long service intervals.
Court_S said:
Sounds like you’ve had a bit of luck their OP with nothing major being wrong.
Still reckon you’re a brave man hanging on to it….hopefully it’ll pay you back by working as it should.
Probably more stupid than brave but I feel a bit locked in now. Still reckon you’re a brave man hanging on to it….hopefully it’ll pay you back by working as it should.
Selling it wouldn't be easy, i think most people wouldn't want to by a car like this privately and also if the new owner saw this thread after they'd bought it they'd be horrified or feel ripped off?! I'd rather not sell privately.
If I put it through the an auction or used one of the various trade buyer services I'd get less back than I've put into it. Say I end up with 10-12k back, I can't think of a car I'd prefer over this anyway. It ticks all the boxes, good size, I think it looks decent, drives nice, good on fuel. My wife really likes it.
So it stays and fingers crossed I can reap the rewards of the work that's gone into it. New tyres, new battery, rebuilt engine, new timing chain, no DPF worries, serviced gearbox, new turbo. It should be good for years to come, that said the broken timing chain sprocket came out of nowhere so I'm not holding my breath. I'll just roll with it and see how it goes.
G Thang said:
went to a dealer for a pitiful price. They were aware of the issues. They all are at this point, the offer price on these is incredibly low, and due to the internet, is exactly the same wherever you go. There was plenty of money in it to repair and sell on for a healthy profit.
If you'd offered it to me I'd have bought it, pitiful prices are my favourite type. 
I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.
Escy said:
If you'd offered it to me I'd have bought it, pitiful prices are my favourite type.
I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.
I believe they come up on ebay pretty cheap. But like you say selling privately, without warranty, who's going to buy it off you, even with the chain done.I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.
Edited by G Thang on Saturday 28th October 12:43
G Thang said:
Escy said:
If you'd offered it to me I'd have bought it, pitiful prices are my favourite type.
I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.
I believe they come up on ebay pretty cheap. But like you say selling privately, without warranty, who's going to buy it off you, even with the chain done.I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.
I think he means who'd buy it off me once fixed which is a valid point.
That EOS was dry inside the boot when I bought it, no rust on the hydraulic pump that sits inside a sponge so looked like it'd always been dry. Now it's got a swimming pool in it. All it's done is be parked up for a month. This is why they are always cheap, they are trouble. To get my money back I'm going to pull the engine and gearbox, take a few choice bits off it and send it to the car park in the sky.
That EOS was dry inside the boot when I bought it, no rust on the hydraulic pump that sits inside a sponge so looked like it'd always been dry. Now it's got a swimming pool in it. All it's done is be parked up for a month. This is why they are always cheap, they are trouble. To get my money back I'm going to pull the engine and gearbox, take a few choice bits off it and send it to the car park in the sky.
A.J.M said:
Is the 20k oil changes not partially at fault here for the chain issues?
BMW have an engine that’s notorious for chain issues as well. Do they have such long service intervals.
It may be apocryphal but the Jag indie that looked after our F-Pace told me JLR had hired the same design guy that was responsible for that at BMW.BMW have an engine that’s notorious for chain issues as well. Do they have such long service intervals.
Mr Pointy said:
G Thang said:
Oh yes, the positive experience turned into a massive negative at a stroke.
Pretty pissed off really as when the wife had finished with it as her nice car, I was going to keep it and run it into the ground as a workhorse / offroader. After several years, obviously.
Did you warn your buyer that the chain had issues & would need replacing? Pretty pissed off really as when the wife had finished with it as her nice car, I was going to keep it and run it into the ground as a workhorse / offroader. After several years, obviously.
tty question but fairly typical of PH nowadays.In my experiance with modern cars when they are designed it all works pretty well. Then the bean counters get involved and shave a penny here and there and then they are not as good as they should be.
Timing chains rarely fail it is usually the automatic adjusters or the nylon guide that they thought they could reduce the spec of.
The first few models they go wrong, they modify but not quite as well as they ought to and they move on. Over my years as a mechanic the amount of warranty work because they used a cheaper part is huge, but when added up if they all make it out of warranty the savings are huge
Timing chains rarely fail it is usually the automatic adjusters or the nylon guide that they thought they could reduce the spec of.
The first few models they go wrong, they modify but not quite as well as they ought to and they move on. Over my years as a mechanic the amount of warranty work because they used a cheaper part is huge, but when added up if they all make it out of warranty the savings are huge
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