Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[ferret50]

Oil/filter changes at 10k miles or once a year are essential regardless of manufacturers 'reconmendations'

Snag is, so many new vehicles are bought, or even brought, on some form of lease so that they suffer in the first few years before finding a caring owner.

Much like a puppy...

[Court_S]

Escy said:

Probably more stupid than brave but I feel a bit locked in now.
Selling it wouldn't be easy, i think most people wouldn't want to by a car like this privately and also if the new owner saw this thread after they'd bought it they'd be horrified or feel ripped off?! I'd rather not sell privately.

If I put it through the an auction or used one of the various trade buyer services I'd get less back than I've put into it. Say I end up with 10-12k back, I can't think of a car I'd prefer over this anyway. It ticks all the boxes, good size, I think it looks decent, drives nice, good on fuel. My wife really likes it.

So it stays and fingers crossed I can reap the rewards of the work that's gone into it. New tyres, new battery, rebuilt engine, new timing chain, no DPF worries, serviced gearbox, new turbo. It should be good for years to come, that said the broken timing chain sprocket came out of nowhere so I'm not holding my breath. I'll just roll with it and see how it goes.

Fair enough, I can see the logic in that.

Ginge crossed it behaves itself.

[M4cruiser]

ferret50 said:

Oil/filter changes at 10k miles or once a year are essential regardless of manufacturers 'reconmendations'

Snag is, so many new vehicles are bought, or even brought, on some form of lease so that they suffer in the first few years before finding a caring owner.

^ Yes, I'm experiencing this at the moment. Done another 10,000 miles since the last service (it's a shared lease car, i.e. not owned by me) and the car flags up "oil change service needed" on the dash (although it's got the number of days totally wrong, it'll sctually be there in 3 weeks) ... so I call the dealer, and they say it's just an "inspection" service, not an oil change! Wtf. Why would anyone not change the oil, given that it's in the workshop?

[ferret50]

I do accept that modern oil is 'supposed' to last longer than 20/50 did in the 1970's, but I change oil and filter in all of my vehicles once a year or at 10k miles, whichever comes first.

'er indoors current wheels are a 17 plate Vauxhall Viva, bought at three years old and 2400 miles, no indication of an oil/filter change in it's service book, now showing 22k miles with new oil/filter each April/May.

Spark plugs do seem to last longer than they used to as well, just as well given that they no longer cost 5 bob a plug!

[Mikebentley]

M4cruiser said:

ferret50 said:

Oil/filter changes at 10k miles or once a year are essential regardless of manufacturers 'reconmendations'

Snag is, so many new vehicles are bought, or even brought, on some form of lease so that they suffer in the first few years before finding a caring owner.

^ Yes, I'm experiencing this at the moment. Done another 10,000 miles since the last service (it's a shared lease car, i.e. not owned by me) and the car flags up "oil change service needed" on the dash (although it's got the number of days totally wrong, it'll sctually be there in 3 weeks) ... so I call the dealer, and they say it's just an "inspection" service, not an oil change! Wtf. Why would anyone not change the oil, given that it's in the workshop?

The good old inspection service where they just look at it and charge you a few hundred quid so they can make a nice video and rape you for some tyres and brakes.

[Austin_Metro]

Escy said:

If you'd offered it to me I'd have bought it, pitiful prices are my favourite type.

I've got all the tools sat doing nothing and now my Jaguar is the pinnacle of reliability I need something to keep me busy.

Top man! That’s the spirit … how many days has the F-pace been working for now?!

When I see an f-pace now I have a look at the back and if it’s a 2.0d I think of this thread …

[Heaveho]

ferret50 said:

I do accept that modern oil is 'supposed' to last longer than 20/50 did in the 1970's, but I change oil and filter in all of my vehicles once a year or at 10k miles, whichever comes first.

'er indoors current wheels are a 17 plate Vauxhall Viva, bought at three years old and 2400 miles, no indication of an oil/filter change in it's service book, now showing 22k miles with new oil/filter each April/May.

Spark plugs do seem to last longer than they used to as well, just as well given that they no longer cost 5 bob a plug!

I won't run anything beyond 5k miles on the same oil and filter. The oil has the hardest life of any component in an engine, and it's the life blood. My van is supposed to do 15k between services. Yeah, fk off Ford. It'll be me picking up the bill now it's out of warranty. It gets 3 times the amount of oil and filter changes they recommend, on a turbocharged engine I'm happy to conclude that I know best and they don't.

[What The Deuces]

Escy said:

Even with a positive ownership experience, the engine showing signs it needed a chain at 80k is outrageous when you think about it.

Given I had a 320d NXX that i did over 150k miles on with nothing but services and consumables (including driving half the length of France on a 30degree day with a failing water pump) and it was still as quiet as a mouse and pulled like a train then my view is that Jag failed badly with this engine. Very badly.

Glad you're up and running though

[DuncanM]

Heaveho said:

I won't run anything beyond 5k miles on the same oil and filter. The oil has the hardest life of any component in an engine, and it's the life blood. My van is supposed to do 15k between services. Yeah, fk off Ford. It'll be me picking up the bill now it's out of warranty. It gets 3 times the amount of oil and filter changes they recommend, on a turbocharged engine I'm happy to conclude that I know best and they don't.

Couldn't agree more, now that my GT86 is out of warranty, it will get 5k oil and filter changes, for the price of oil, and a few hours of your time, it's the best thing you can do to protect your engine.

[Sheepshanks]

DuncanM said:

Heaveho said:

I won't run anything beyond 5k miles on the same oil and filter. The oil has the hardest life of any component in an engine, and it's the life blood. My van is supposed to do 15k between services. Yeah, fk off Ford. It'll be me picking up the bill now it's out of warranty. It gets 3 times the amount of oil and filter changes they recommend, on a turbocharged engine I'm happy to conclude that I know best and they don't.

Couldn't agree more, now that my GT86 is out of warranty, it will get 5k oil and filter changes, for the price of oil, and a few hours of your time, it's the best thing you can do to protect your engine.

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

[DuncanM]

Sheepshanks said:

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

That's interesting, I do very few miles, so 5k will end up being around once a year. 5k oil changes aren't uncommon in the home diy maintenance community.

[OldSkoolRS]

DuncanM said:

Sheepshanks said:

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

That's interesting, I do very few miles, so 5k will end up being around once a year. 5k oil changes aren't uncommon in the home diy maintenance community.

Likewise and my Alfa Mito is particularly fussy about oil type and being changed regularly (otherwise they can suffer a blocked Twin Air strainer, leading to Twin Air failure/big expense). I'd planned to change it in April, so 1 year since the last dealer service, but probably less than 5k miles.

[Sheepshanks]

OldSkoolRS said:

DuncanM said:

Sheepshanks said:

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

That's interesting, I do very few miles, so 5k will end up being around once a year. 5k oil changes aren't uncommon in the home diy maintenance community.

Likewise and my Alfa Mito is particularly fussy about oil type and being changed regularly (otherwise they can suffer a blocked Twin Air strainer, leading to Twin Air failure/big expense). I'd planned to change it in April, so 1 year since the last dealer service, but probably less than 5k miles.

I do dthe same on wife's car. If most of the journeys are short the oil gets condensation in it which doesn't get boiled off and it turns acidic.

[OldSkoolRS]

Sheepshanks said:

I do dthe same on wife's car. If most of the journeys are short the oil gets condensation in it which doesn't get boiled off and it turns acidic.

The Alfa is a mix; she sometimes drives a very short distance if it's bad weather or carrying heavy items. I usually have a 45 mile trip on a Friday so it gets a decent run at least one a week, plus some others where it does at least get fully warmed up. Our other car only gets driven on longer journeys (petrol C Class) but it still doesn't do that many miles per year. I think both cars will end up getting an oil change at about 5k once a year, even if the official mileage is higher.

[Heaveho]

Sheepshanks said:

DuncanM said:

Heaveho said:

I won't run anything beyond 5k miles on the same oil and filter. The oil has the hardest life of any component in an engine, and it's the life blood. My van is supposed to do 15k between services. Yeah, fk off Ford. It'll be me picking up the bill now it's out of warranty. It gets 3 times the amount of oil and filter changes they recommend, on a turbocharged engine I'm happy to conclude that I know best and they don't.

Couldn't agree more, now that my GT86 is out of warranty, it will get 5k oil and filter changes, for the price of oil, and a few hours of your time, it's the best thing you can do to protect your engine.

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

Yeah, I've seen that.

I run one of the generally most reliable cars on the planet, at least when they're unmodified, that being a Mitsubishi Evo. I don't believe it's a coincidence that 4.5k mile service intervals and extraordinary reliability are common to that vehicle and tend to apply that logic to almost everything I own. The only vehicle out of the 5 we have that uses oil is my wife's car and is the only one that's been subjected to the 10k service intervals recommended by the manufacturer. Coincidence? Maybe, but that particular model is known to start consuming oil at higher mileage. It's a Lexus, and I imagine most owners just follow the schedule. I'll never know what effect 5k oil changes would have had on it, but I'll never place any faith in extended service intervals in future for how little it costs to do an oil change.

I was in the motor trade for a reasonable period of my life, and my views are admittedly pretty old school, but they've generally served me well.

Sorry OP, got a bit sidetracked, strayed way O/T.

Edited by Heaveho on Monday 30th October 19:40

[duncancallum]

Every time theres an update on this thread i nervously click in as I'm expecting tales of woe.

I'm genuinely impressed at the dedication of the OP

And how he's got it almost reliable

[Arnold Cunningham]

“Almost”

[Huff]

Sheepshanks said:

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

I'm not going to dispute that directly - but am also curious how that result presents!
Got any list of links I should read ..? ( & I'd be happy to take your 'top three' impressions to email, & rather do that than derail this most- excellent thread..)
ATB.

[Krikkit]

OldSkoolRS said:

Likewise and my Alfa Mito is particularly fussy about oil type and being changed regularly (otherwise they can suffer a blocked Twin Air strainer, leading to Twin Air failure/big expense). I'd planned to change it in April, so 1 year since the last dealer service, but probably less than 5k miles.

Well worth getting the twin air filter out on every oil change, I've just fixed a friend's car where the filter was never done, blocked up, and starved the multi air unit which led to two of the cylinders not running properly. Replacement multi air unit later and it's in rude health again.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Huff said:

Sheepshanks said:

If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.

I'm not going to dispute that directly - but am also curious how that result presents!
Got any list of links I should read ..? ( & I'd be happy to take your 'top three' impressions to email, & rather do that than derail this most- excellent thread..)
ATB.

I recall hearing this decades ago, before synthetics came about - so if there is any lab analysis that backs this up on modern oils, I'd be interested in reading it too.