The return of my E60 M5 - Wallet drained - now Supercharged!
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I'd still have had a big bill if I had have left it and not touched it, possibly larger as someone else's car ended up with an inspection hole in the block, and finding a block to use isn't easy.
Karma is a b
h as they say. He doesn't have a pot to piss in, but a ccj and bailiff visit will not please him I am sure.
Karma is a b
h as they say. He doesn't have a pot to piss in, but a ccj and bailiff visit will not please him I am sure. Oilchange said:
Exactly. A whole two pages on an expensive repair and no mention of the ultimate costs.
Distinct lack of perspective...
Distinct lack of perspective...
Escy said:
TheAngryDog said:
I'd still have had a big bill if I had have left it and not touched it, possibly larger as someone else's car ended up with an inspection hole in the block, and finding a block to use isn't easy.
It's not a guarantee you'll spin a bearing, for every engine that does that early, there are probably 50 that have made it to 200k miles with no issue. I assume the example you gave with the hole in the block is someone that's driven on with a knocking bottom end and eventually thrown the rod out the side of the block.
I'm glad you're sorted now. With regards to the money, I can imagine it's a sore subject in your house and you'd rather forget but it would be interesting to know.
Wrt to other failure, he was sat in traffic in a tunnel when it went boom. He had his bearings done by the same company as me.
Re the cost, it isn't sore, I just don't see what business it is of others to know. Want to buy my car? Sure I'll tell you as the invoice is in the folder, but I think it is rude to ask, especially without saying please.
If you must know to make your life complete:
Engine rebuild with gearbox £11140.01
Clutch and flywheel with associated clutch parts £1370.00
Escy said:
TheAngryDog said:
He had his bearings done by the same company as me.
I'm guessing you found that information out afterwards. It's a shame you can't name the place to warn others. The guy who did the work has basically closed. Just selling his wares of questionable origin on eBay now.
Ph1listine said:
TheAngryDog said:
Engine rebuild with gearbox £11140.01
Clutch and flywheel with associated clutch parts £1370.00
Is that the total cost including the first attempt at a fix and the rectification?Clutch and flywheel with associated clutch parts £1370.00
Ph1listine said:
TheAngryDog said:
Nope. Can add 2k to that adding costs for it being collected and sent places.
Hope you recover costs and appreciate your transparency, bunch of nosey buggers ain't we lolI don't have a problem with people knowing, what I do have a problem with is the way it was demanded. I note that oil change is now very silent on the discussion.
Oilchange said:
Yay!
Thanks, didn't mean to be rude, just thought it would complete the story.
Have to say, I've spent large sums on my car albeit not on a large failure like this, biggest I think was about 4,500. I guess the more cylinders the bigger the bill (mines a 4 pot).
This is the only car I have ever owned that has had engine failure, and tbh I don't think the engine actually failed. Thanks, didn't mean to be rude, just thought it would complete the story.
Have to say, I've spent large sums on my car albeit not on a large failure like this, biggest I think was about 4,500. I guess the more cylinders the bigger the bill (mines a 4 pot).
None of that damage to the oil pump looks "natural" to me.
PorkRind said:
jeremyc said:
Let's not try and guess who the alleged bad workman is - it'll only get the thread locked or deleted. 
I think in cases like this, that rule is absolute bs. But understand why it's enforced. Maybe put it up on a blogging site unrelated with oh and email ppl who are interested...Well done for persevering with it and I hope you manage to get some, if not all your money back.
A friend had this v10 m5 when it first came out, there was a waiting list for it and ended up selling it a few months later for more than he paid for it
. Frome bypass has never been such a blur ?? Edited by PorkRind on Sunday 23 June 16:42
Thanks, hopefully that is it for a while, though I do still need to replace the fuel pumps..
Oddly, I am sure I had posted a reply to this and it seems to have been deleted.....
Oilchange said:
Jesus, looks completely vandalized!
Totally. The car ran when I sent it to him, if a bit rattly and in limp mode above 2500rpm. That damage would have thrown on the engine oil light. I have video of it running from the day it happened and from him when he was diagnosing it. He really turned out to be a charlatan. My only grace from this is that I have a well sorted car that should have no issues. I do not own anyone elses problems, only my own
fido said:
TheAngryDog said:
I've now covered around 770 miles in it since I collected it. Drove faultlessly up to Southport yesterday. Chester tomorrow and then Llandudno in Tuesday. Then another oil change at 1200 miles and then I should be good to go!
Well done on sorting your car out. I’m up to 600 miles on my new S65 after a road trip to the Cotswolds. It goes quickly - i have to take it back for a service at 1000 miles - is the run in period different for the S85?The s85 standard run in was 1200 miles, same as the s62. I would have thought that the S65 would have been the same.
My builder didn't want the 5w30 in it long term, and as there was going to be bits of s
t in the oil from a new build it was best to do a change at around 600 miles, then another at 1200 miles. LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know I've already posted my best wishes but have another 
My best mate had one when new and they are such fantastic cars, I loved my CSL but the engine in these is literally something else, the F1 tech that went into it is unreal when you read the official BMW paper on it.
If you can afford to run it for a number of years I guarantee this will be one of the all time classics, never again will you see an engine like that in a saloon car.
Most kind, thank you! My best mate had one when new and they are such fantastic cars, I loved my CSL but the engine in these is literally something else, the F1 tech that went into it is unreal when you read the official BMW paper on it.
If you can afford to run it for a number of years I guarantee this will be one of the all time classics, never again will you see an engine like that in a saloon car.
. The V10 sounds glorious when on it. It is addictive. I am hopeful that I can afford to run it
Yeah it is the last of the breed. I respect and covet an F10, but the engine in one of those is not very special, which is disappointing.
fido said:
TheAngryDog said:
My builder didn't want the 5w30 in it long term, and as there was going to be bits of st in the oil from a new build it was best to do a change at around 600 miles, then another at 1200 miles.
Yep, warranty job. That makes sense - though I think mine has got 10W60 in it so have to keep <5.5k for the whole period.t in the oil from a new build it was best to do a change at around 600 miles, then another at 1200 miles. I've never been in an e9x M3 and that is despite a mate of mine owning one. I wonder how different they are to the M5?
Good luck with yours, I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
Covered 840 miles now since collecting the car. Been to Southport, Chester and now currently in Llandudno.
Yeah I am sure that we could sort something out.
Good luck with your bodywork issue, I hope the company come good for you.
bucksmanuk said:
that's good to hear Mike
a long and drawn out painful process, and not without some wallet damage either.
does this mean the Accord goes?
A pint to celebrate?
Thanks Nigel. The Accord went in May, so I don't need to worry about that now. a long and drawn out painful process, and not without some wallet damage either.
does this mean the Accord goes?
A pint to celebrate?
Yeah I am sure that we could sort something out.
J_C_S said:
I cannot believe your sang froid, I'd have freaked completely. With that level of composure you'll probably live forever. I just don't accept that modern cars should fail or that manufacturers should be able to walk away from design faults. It's not as if shell bearings are new technology.
I am absolutely raging inside, but at the same time it is what it is. I am just glad to have the car back at the moment. I agree, modern cars should not have this issue but they do and unfortunately it is just one of the issues of ownership. jahill said:
If you decide against suing him, I'd be inclined to show the evidence to the police. It sounds like he could be prosecuted for fraud, potentially along with theft.
He was reported by someone else and nothing came of it. Gallons Per Mile said:
Why not both? Sounds like he deserves anything he gets. I hate the way people think they can get away with doing what they want and it doesn't matter. It flipping does! I'm having similar problems, although bodywork related rather than mechanically related. It's not cost me quite so much money as OP, but it's just as frustrating. Hopefully, the company I'm dealing with are going to pull through. The owner seems like a decent person and says he wants to put things right. It might end up happily ever after yet!
People shouldn't be allowed to get away with it but they do. It is a sad fact. Look at all of the rogue traders out there who seem to get away with it. Good luck with your bodywork issue, I hope the company come good for you.
mattyc69 said:
Genuinely astonished looking at this!!!
I used to be a tractor mechanic and would regularly have to finish off what the farmer had started and even they had more mechanical sympathy!!!
Good on you gift sticking with it, I must admit my piss would also probably boil but life’s too short. I learnt a while ago some things are just not worth getting wound up over it does you no good in the end.
Love the car by the way definitely a asset that will started to appreciate soon and you now have a well sorted example.
Cheers. It really is unbelievable the sI used to be a tractor mechanic and would regularly have to finish off what the farmer had started and even they had more mechanical sympathy!!!
Good on you gift sticking with it, I must admit my piss would also probably boil but life’s too short. I learnt a while ago some things are just not worth getting wound up over it does you no good in the end.
Love the car by the way definitely a asset that will started to appreciate soon and you now have a well sorted example.
t that this guy caused me. I hope it does start to appreciate, but there is still plenty of work to do yet. Could do with a front end tidy up and a few bits here and there. I was going to pay my indy to change my springs but I might try and tackle it myself as I am currently on a spending ban 
M4CK 1 said:
The level of damage is unbelievable, I would go as far as malicious if it hadn't happened to somebody else at the same time 
Did you pay him for the work??
Unfortunately, as you say you'll be lucky to get any money back but if you do take him to the high court you might get his hammers taken off him and hopefully see him on TV "if you don't pay we'll take it away"
Scumbags like this will start there business under a sudo name and screw somebody else!!
Maybe you need to get camera, confront him and stick him up on YouTube Instagram, Facebook etc. so we all can know who this is 
It was malicious. I am the only person who have ended up with this kind of damage. The worst extra damage inflicted on another car was his tank was drained as well. Honestly the naming and shaming policy is rigged on here against the good guy as I should be able to say who screwed me over but alas.Did you pay him for the work??
Unfortunately, as you say you'll be lucky to get any money back but if you do take him to the high court you might get his hammers taken off him and hopefully see him on TV "if you don't pay we'll take it away"
Scumbags like this will start there business under a sudo name and screw somebody else!!
Maybe you need to get camera, confront him and stick him up on YouTube Instagram, Facebook etc. so we all can know who this
is Edited by M4CK 1 on Wednesday 26th June 17:37
Right now I just want to try and enjoy the car. I have another oil and filter change coming up in a week or so and I need to get the new fuel pumps at around £500 the pair. I still need to sort a wobble from the front end as well which is either tyres or brakes and neither are cheap.
scratch pervert said:
I sold my facelift E60 M5 for about 3 years ago and I've missed it ever since, even after owning cars worth more than double ... am I mad for considering buying another given the costs involved in maintaining them?
Not if you get the right people to work on them. Until this episode my car hadn't been any more expensive than my old E39's to maintain. ffhard said:
As I run my own garage I HATE it when I read stories like this. There are loads of us out there doing a good caring job and then there are a few c##ts like the first garage to touch this one spoiling life for the rest of us. I'm sure it doesn't apply to anyone on here but to so much of the public it just gives them an excuse to think we're all trying to rip them off. Take him to court by all means but I'm afraid it doesn't sound like as though your likely to get any money back and he'll just laugh off a CCJ. If you can get him declared bankrupt that might sting him a bit, that's all I can suggest that doesn't involve violence!
Anyway, rant over I hope you enjoy your car.
I think it is unfair to tar all garages with the same brush. I was just unlucky in this instance but it is what it is. Anyway, rant over I hope you enjoy your car.
Tankrizzo said:
I've seen quite a few failed engines and I've NEVER seen a pickup look like that before. That's clearly not occurred without manual intervention.
Preaching to the choir my man. It is absolutely abhorrent how that treated me, especially after not giving him any grief when it failed, other than him being hard to get hold of. It just wasn't necessary. mattyprice4004 said:
What a saga - but I have endless love for the E60 M5.
As a Southport chap, I fully approve of your visit.
If you visit again, Hickory’s Smokehouse, The Firepit or The Potting Shed are my favourite eats - sorry that you had to endure Spiga
Haha, it wasn't the best tbh. We also went to the Churrasco place on Lord Street which was better. As a Southport chap, I fully approve of your visit.
If you visit again, Hickory’s Smokehouse, The Firepit or The Potting Shed are my favourite eats - sorry that you had to endure Spiga
We decided to go to Hickory's in Rhos on Sea tonight rather than in Southport as it looked like we had less places to eat at in Llandudno than there. We also went to Swan chippy which wasn't bad.
Spiga looked good on trip advisor, but the reality was the opposite. Not to worry!
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