2021 McLaren GT
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Update!
I called McLaren Client Services in Woking as I'd not had any info from McLaren Assist or Geneva since Friday, the day after they took my car... I almost immediately got a call back from Geneva with an update. Something had got lost in translation with my contact details hence the comms issues which is understandable when you consider a Brit calling a French call centre about a UK car and the car being delivered to Switzerland.
The issue is a failed low pressure fuel pump inside the fuel tank. There is restricted availability of the part at the moment, so we're looking at a week before the car will be fixed. Book time for the job is 6 hours and they seem to think it will all be done on the day the part is delivered next week. Then just a case of getting the car back to the UK, hopefully in time for a planned week in Ireland at the end of August
I called McLaren Client Services in Woking as I'd not had any info from McLaren Assist or Geneva since Friday, the day after they took my car... I almost immediately got a call back from Geneva with an update. Something had got lost in translation with my contact details hence the comms issues which is understandable when you consider a Brit calling a French call centre about a UK car and the car being delivered to Switzerland.
The issue is a failed low pressure fuel pump inside the fuel tank. There is restricted availability of the part at the moment, so we're looking at a week before the car will be fixed. Book time for the job is 6 hours and they seem to think it will all be done on the day the part is delivered next week. Then just a case of getting the car back to the UK, hopefully in time for a planned week in Ireland at the end of August
Piginapoke said:
You’re more understanding than I would be.
I understand the broad sentiment there but at the same time, mechanical things break and that's life. Once it has happened, there's nothing I can do beyond what has been done and there's nothing to gain by getting worked up about it - for the time being at least.I can only imagine that the costs of doing that would be completely unreasonable and/or not meet the need. I happened to break down within a short drive of a hire car location but still at least two hours away from a McLaren dealer which was in a different country. I could just as easily have been in the absolute middle of nowhere at 3am . No low volume manufacturer is going to ensure one of their brand cars is in stock at enough 24/7 rental locations worldwide to get you into one of their cars in a pinch. What most people need in an emergency situation is pretty much just simple mobility - can you get to where you need to be with your passengers and your luggage.
Courtesy cars for planned-in service work is perhaps another matter but again I would expect the costs associated with any form of courtesy car would become a not insignificant part of the service bill and I would imagine most owners (myself included) can do without the car for a few days while it is serviced and would happily not pay for a McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini courtesy car.
Courtesy cars for planned-in service work is perhaps another matter but again I would expect the costs associated with any form of courtesy car would become a not insignificant part of the service bill and I would imagine most owners (myself included) can do without the car for a few days while it is serviced and would happily not pay for a McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini courtesy car.
I have the car back with me in the UK
After some delays getting the new fuel pump to Switzerland, the car was back together and ready to go on Monday. Unfortunately, McLaren Assist (aka "The AA") have been "very busy" and their estimated delivery date to get the car back to me on a covered transporter was 6-8 weeks. As you might expect, I hit the roof and called McLaren Client Services to see what could be done. After a bit of back and forth it became clear to me that the only way to improve on the timescales was to go and collect it myself which I put to McLaren and they agreed. They also agreed to cover the majority of my costs for collecting. Flights were booked - unfortunately I missed the boat on all direct flights that would have worked for me so I ended up flying via Frankfurt. My Star Alliance Gold status expired a few weeks back which is rotten timing too. Never mind... I made it to McLaren Geneva in good time. As I would imagine is commonplace, McLaren Geneva is not a one-make dealership - they are primarily Aston Martin and Rolls Royce but also retail McLaren and Koenigsegg cars. Their website suggested there might have been a Gemera there but sadly I couldn't find it if it was there at all. My car was driven out and handed over and with it freshly detailed etc and looking brand new I headed off toward France on the long, long drive home.
The first road I hit out of the dealership was a pretty incredible winding mountain road (https://goo.gl/maps/oeMzxYMkKAwEs4td7) which reminded me of exactly why I wanted a GT car that drives like this instead of something overweight and numb. In fact, most of the N roads from there up through to where I picked up the A39 near Poligny on the way toward Dijon were great - really nice flow to them and although I was respectful of the speed limits due to not having a co-driver I was still able to really enjoy the roads and the car. The issues I had experienced with the misfire etc were totally gone and a distant memory which was really, really welcome. By the time I'd got to Dijon, I'd covered about 100km of the 680km I needed to cover on Day 1 and was back in love with everything about the car. I had the longest unbroken motorway run of my ownership so far ahead of me and I wondered how I would be feeling at the end of it. I needn't have even given it a moment's thought - the GT really is BMW 5-series levels of ride comfort over long distances. The B&O sound system completely deals with the comparatively high levels of road noise as well so I arrived at my overnight hotel stop feeling much the same as I did at the start of my journey in Geneva. No mean feat considering I'd left for Manchester Airport at 3am and arrived at the hotel shortly after 10pm! Including the twisty mountain roads, I'd averaged just slightly over 35mpg over ~650km / 400 miles.
Day 2 was much the same - I left the hotel nice and early to try and get on an earlier crossing or deal with any queues in good time and thankfully the plan worked and I was allocated a slot on a train almost an hour ahead of schedule. The UK leg of the journey was comparatively dreadful - I am guessing that the train strikes made a significant impact on the traffic levels as once I'd got past the M25 the traffic up the M1 & M6 was pretty bad - I have never, ever queued for the tag lane on the M6 toll before but it took me almost 15 minutes to get through!! My time gains made at the tunnel were obliterated by this point and I got home just after 1pm after another ~350 mile drive.
Total combined mileage was a little over 750 miles with an average fuel consumption of about 32mpg (thanks entirely to the UK traffic being so bad - I expect it would have been somewhere around 35-36 otherwise).
I am super impressed. I doubt I will do so many miles in this fashion again in my ownership as I like to stop and see things on my long road trips but I know I could absolutely do it if I needed to. A 600+bhp, mid-engined carbon fibre-tubbed car has no right to be this capable both across distances like this and when you get it off the motorway onto the really twisty stuff. Yeah, it has broken down and caused me some temporary inconvenience but... what a machine!
P.S. I guess it goes with the territory when you buy a car in bright metallic orange but the amount of attention this car seems to get is far beyond what I expected. I had a car full of extremely excited Italians pull alongside me on the autoroute and the amount of arm waving, positive gestures etc etc was hilarious
Loads of people waved, gave me the thumbs up etc etc as I drove along which was ace as quite honestly I was expecting mostly jealousy and derision from other motorists.
After some delays getting the new fuel pump to Switzerland, the car was back together and ready to go on Monday. Unfortunately, McLaren Assist (aka "The AA") have been "very busy" and their estimated delivery date to get the car back to me on a covered transporter was 6-8 weeks. As you might expect, I hit the roof and called McLaren Client Services to see what could be done. After a bit of back and forth it became clear to me that the only way to improve on the timescales was to go and collect it myself which I put to McLaren and they agreed. They also agreed to cover the majority of my costs for collecting. Flights were booked - unfortunately I missed the boat on all direct flights that would have worked for me so I ended up flying via Frankfurt. My Star Alliance Gold status expired a few weeks back which is rotten timing too. Never mind... I made it to McLaren Geneva in good time. As I would imagine is commonplace, McLaren Geneva is not a one-make dealership - they are primarily Aston Martin and Rolls Royce but also retail McLaren and Koenigsegg cars. Their website suggested there might have been a Gemera there but sadly I couldn't find it if it was there at all. My car was driven out and handed over and with it freshly detailed etc and looking brand new I headed off toward France on the long, long drive home.
The first road I hit out of the dealership was a pretty incredible winding mountain road (https://goo.gl/maps/oeMzxYMkKAwEs4td7) which reminded me of exactly why I wanted a GT car that drives like this instead of something overweight and numb. In fact, most of the N roads from there up through to where I picked up the A39 near Poligny on the way toward Dijon were great - really nice flow to them and although I was respectful of the speed limits due to not having a co-driver I was still able to really enjoy the roads and the car. The issues I had experienced with the misfire etc were totally gone and a distant memory which was really, really welcome. By the time I'd got to Dijon, I'd covered about 100km of the 680km I needed to cover on Day 1 and was back in love with everything about the car. I had the longest unbroken motorway run of my ownership so far ahead of me and I wondered how I would be feeling at the end of it. I needn't have even given it a moment's thought - the GT really is BMW 5-series levels of ride comfort over long distances. The B&O sound system completely deals with the comparatively high levels of road noise as well so I arrived at my overnight hotel stop feeling much the same as I did at the start of my journey in Geneva. No mean feat considering I'd left for Manchester Airport at 3am and arrived at the hotel shortly after 10pm! Including the twisty mountain roads, I'd averaged just slightly over 35mpg over ~650km / 400 miles.
Day 2 was much the same - I left the hotel nice and early to try and get on an earlier crossing or deal with any queues in good time and thankfully the plan worked and I was allocated a slot on a train almost an hour ahead of schedule. The UK leg of the journey was comparatively dreadful - I am guessing that the train strikes made a significant impact on the traffic levels as once I'd got past the M25 the traffic up the M1 & M6 was pretty bad - I have never, ever queued for the tag lane on the M6 toll before but it took me almost 15 minutes to get through!! My time gains made at the tunnel were obliterated by this point and I got home just after 1pm after another ~350 mile drive.
Total combined mileage was a little over 750 miles with an average fuel consumption of about 32mpg (thanks entirely to the UK traffic being so bad - I expect it would have been somewhere around 35-36 otherwise).
I am super impressed. I doubt I will do so many miles in this fashion again in my ownership as I like to stop and see things on my long road trips but I know I could absolutely do it if I needed to. A 600+bhp, mid-engined carbon fibre-tubbed car has no right to be this capable both across distances like this and when you get it off the motorway onto the really twisty stuff. Yeah, it has broken down and caused me some temporary inconvenience but... what a machine!
P.S. I guess it goes with the territory when you buy a car in bright metallic orange but the amount of attention this car seems to get is far beyond what I expected. I had a car full of extremely excited Italians pull alongside me on the autoroute and the amount of arm waving, positive gestures etc etc was hilarious
Loads of people waved, gave me the thumbs up etc etc as I drove along which was ace as quite honestly I was expecting mostly jealousy and derision from other motorists.samoht said:
I have to say I'm disappointed. You bought a nearly-new "Gran Turismo" from McLaren for a lot of money, six months later the first time you try and use it for an actual "Grand Tour" it fails to proceed, leaving you finishing your trip in an Audi hire car. And then after all that they quote you a further two months to actually get your car back to you, extending the time you're without a car that you might be paying £x00 a month to have. So then you have to go and trek across Europe again just to get your car back.
I mean, if I buy a five or ten year old used car privately and it breaks down in Lyon, that's on me, I get that. (It was actually Grenoble for me). But given the value and newness of this car and how recently you bought it from a McLaren dealer, I do think that's a bit poor.
On the flipside, I really respect how you've made the best of the situation, rather than selling your story of woe to the Daily Mail you've got out there and got your car back, and enjoyed the trip too. Hope your next adventure goes more smoothly!
I do see where you're coming from but also, its a low pressure fuel pump - the same Bosch/Lucas/whatever pump that's probably in the fuel tanks of thousands of other cars. Just one of those things really.I mean, if I buy a five or ten year old used car privately and it breaks down in Lyon, that's on me, I get that. (It was actually Grenoble for me). But given the value and newness of this car and how recently you bought it from a McLaren dealer, I do think that's a bit poor.
On the flipside, I really respect how you've made the best of the situation, rather than selling your story of woe to the Daily Mail you've got out there and got your car back, and enjoyed the trip too. Hope your next adventure goes more smoothly!
I took the GT across to Ireland for a week-long road trip, starting with a friend's wedding and then heading south to Cork and then winding round to the Wild Atlantic Way. We took in both the Ring of Kerry and the Dingle peninsula, both stunning in their own right!
The GT once again showed its GT credentials in that whenever we arrived at a stop we weren't grumbling in discomfort and nor did we have to make unscheduled stops to stretch our legs or backs etc. On the other side, it performed really well on the twisty (and sometimes extremely bumpy) roads and when I wanted to just open the taps and enjoy some of the roads it never disappointed.
Between that and my visit this weekend to Salon Prive, I've now done just a little over 7,000 miles and that means the car is coming up on the 10k mile mark
I bought it to drive it though so this is good news I've got a top speed run day to do at Elvington in the near future - I managed 156mph at Supercar Fest on a much shorter runway but with a rolling start so we'll see what I manage to hit and report back.
I've also got a service booked in toward the end of October which is the "major" service, looking like a ~£1400 bill at the moment but we'll see if there's some negotiation there.
I absolutely bl
dy love this car and the experiences I have had in it so far Ireland feels like an eternity ago but I still look back and smile at the adventure we had over there. With 2022 almost over, 2023 is shaping up to be awesome, in car terms at least. I'm doing a big Europe trip with some club friends and that will be mega. Road trips in this car are just fantastic as there's so little obvious compromise. I'm also trying to make a trip to the Arctic Circle work in my personal calendar plus some other little personal bucket list items.
Since Ireland, I've taken my car to Salon Prive (one of the best motoring shows of the year, year in, year out), went up the runway at Elvington, visited the McLaren Technology Centre and generally attended as many interesting car meets and drives out as I could. The car gave me no trouble at all - just been feeding it fuel and I've had to top up the oil and screenwash here and there too. I think I've put 1L total of oil in the car over 9,000 miles or so.
Elvington was a great day of fun - 187.1 for the standing mile and 193mph over 2km. Not bad! Stock 720S/F8s were just cracking 200mph over the 2km and the sport series cars (570S and 600LT) were just slightly behind so all things considered it went pretty much exactly as expected and the GT sort of sits where you'd imagine it does.
Driving it in October conditions hasn't been overly kind to the cosmetic state of the car - if you follow my instagram you'll have seen the state it is in at the moment
It'll be washed soon...
Since Ireland, I've taken my car to Salon Prive (one of the best motoring shows of the year, year in, year out), went up the runway at Elvington, visited the McLaren Technology Centre and generally attended as many interesting car meets and drives out as I could. The car gave me no trouble at all - just been feeding it fuel and I've had to top up the oil and screenwash here and there too. I think I've put 1L total of oil in the car over 9,000 miles or so.
Elvington was a great day of fun - 187.1 for the standing mile and 193mph over 2km. Not bad! Stock 720S/F8s were just cracking 200mph over the 2km and the sport series cars (570S and 600LT) were just slightly behind so all things considered it went pretty much exactly as expected and the GT sort of sits where you'd imagine it does.
Driving it in October conditions hasn't been overly kind to the cosmetic state of the car - if you follow my instagram you'll have seen the state it is in at the moment
It'll be washed soon...
One year anniversary!
It has been a relatively quiet winter hence the massive lack of posting. Not much to report since October really. The car was serviced at the end of October at a cost of £1394. This is the "tock" service of the tick/tock rhythm, with the more minor service coming in at about half the cost. There's nothing particularly standing out to me as especially expensive from the itemised invoice given this is a main dealer service, more than 50% of the cost is labour. I did raise an eyebrow at the air filters costing significantly more than the engine oil but it is what it is I guess. They do give you a nice box of chocolates to soften the blow though
Took it down to the Collecting Cars Donington meet in November and that pretty much wrapped up 2022 for me
I've hardly used it since then in all honesty. It remained tucked away in the garage through to early Feb just waiting for the weather to clear up a bit and for the excuses to use it to come up again. The first run of the year was a run down to Millbrook where my car was used to sample audio for an upcoming video game, which was very interesting. I also took a day out from the madness to head to Caffeine and Machine.
They were very careful plus I have full-car PPF so I wasn't worried about any damage!
Year One Review
I've posted honestly throughout the thread and hope to always present a balanced and unbiased view of the good and bad of ownership, so there shouldn't be anything new here. Looking back through the thread and thinking back through the year, there have been some really good bits and some bad bits. Overall, knowing what I know now, would I buy this exact car again? Absolutely I would, although I would probably not go about it in the exact same way. The start was bumpy and there have been little bits here and there but all is forgiven when put in context of how much I enjoy ownership. In a world of Instagram where the perception is that everyone earns more than you, has huge car collections and the free time to use them all it is really easy to forget just how special it feels to own even just one car like this in a lifetime, especially in my mid 30s where I have the health and opportunities to enjoy it to the fullest. I smile to myself every time I see it, even if I'm just popping into the garage to grab something or walking back to it at a petrol station.
I've covered well in excess of 10,000 miles since picking it up - I've driven it to France and back from Switzerland, toured around Ireland, taken it up to 200mph, been to events, car shows etc around the country and thoroughly enjoyed it all.
What has that cost? Aside from the servicing I mentioned above, I've replaced the rear tyres twice and the fronts once. The first set of rears met their end after a DriveLimits day on ~5k miles, the second set surprised me as they "only" lasted 8k miles and I don't think I've really abused them other than enjoying some spirited driving. In any case, I was looking for an excuse to ditch the MC-rated Pirelli P Zeros in favour of a tyre that works better more of the time in the UK climate. As an aside, I chose Continental SportContact 7 over Michelin Pilot Sport 4S as from the reviews they seem to be the superior tyre. I was very impressed with Continental SportContact 5s in the past in every department except insane wear rate, so if the 7 is improved in this regard as the reviewers claim then I expect to be seriously impressed. My initial feedback given the cold winter conditions is that they are immediately more grippy at every temperature I've seen yet. They are also quieter, or at least make a different noise which I perceive to be quieter. Given the Pirelli tyre has huge foam blocks glued inside, this was a real surprise to me and was noticeable within 100 yards of the tyre fitter. I'll feed back on how they are as time goes on and I have more data. The fitted cost for the set of 4 Contis was £1006. The pair of MC-rated Pirelli rears was around £650 which is very slightly more expensive than the Continentals.
Fuel... I've not tracked this precisely as, frankly, I don't really want to know! I can easily hit 35mpg on a long run, 37-38mpg if I stick the cruise on at 70mph indicated and there's no traffic. Nobody buys a McLaren for fuel economy reasons but it really matters quite a lot when you want to travel long distances in one go. For perspective, the difference between 27 and 37 mpg is about 100 miles extra between fuel stops, which is often the difference between stopping or not stopping at all! On the flip side, it can also hit less than 10mpg no problem when pressing on. This variability is actually somewhat annoying because it means as soon as you peel off the beaten track onto more interesting roads the range you thought you had just evaporates and a search for a petrol station often results. I think a reasoned estimate of my fuel spend would be in the ballpark of £5000. I've also topped up the oil, a little over a litre total which probably comes to about £40. Other than that and screenwash my personal bills have been zero.
Insurance is one of the great mysteries of life and varies hugely from person to person and from car to car. This year, my renewal is £830.
I had the whole car PPFd which has definitely proven to be worth the money as it has some pock marks here and there which would probably have been colossal stone chips. The cost of that was about £2.5k which I think will pay for itself given my usage of the car!
Warranty claims? Yep. Three replacement panels, a fairly significant coolant leak, a drivers door strut, the front suspension "failed" according to the computer which was just a software update to fix, the front boot latch needed some adjustment so I could close it properly and it has an intermittent rattle from the rear which as I type this it is in McLaren for the 3rd (and hopefully last) time to be rectified.
Y1 total, circa £10k spent all-in excluding depreciation, or £1/mile.[NB: Depreciation is hard to judge and a guess at best - one for the end of the road when I look back and calculate TCO.] Honestly, I don't think I can put a value on how much I enjoy it so I don't feel like that is a particularly relevant number for me, just providing numbers for interested readers
Boring reality stuff out the way, what's it really like? Does it meet the requirements I set out to fulfil at the start?
Overall I think it is absolutely superb.
Speaking openly, it is probably better than I thought it would be in some ways and not quite as good in others. When I set out to buy a car, I wanted something that could cope with ~2 weeks of luggage for two, get me across continents comfortably and yet still be amazing fun when out for a drive in Wales or the Alps or wherever the road takes me. The 2 week luggage thing is the Achilles heel of most supercars, or at least it is when one of the two people wants to take a hairdryer, straighteners and who knows what else. The GT has a lot of luggage room - more than enough for a pair of cabin sized bags at the front and then even more storage at the rear. The rear space is a weird shape but also bigger than it looks, which means you can put way more back there than you think... However, it is mostly open to the cabin aside from a section right at the very back which is big enough to take one large or two smaller backpacks - so without adequate strapping it is probably going to hurt if you have to stop in a hurry. The practical reality is that a one week trip is totally fine (and would have been totally fine in a 720S...) but 2 weeks takes some planning and is maybe slightly more compromised than ideal but a compromise I am happy with. Certainly weighted against the alternative in something like a DB11, this is still the right call for my personal blend of wants but it isn't quite as good at accommodating luggage in the real world as I thought it would be.
From a performance perspective it remains about where I thought it would be - more than fast enough, excellent chassis, steering is telepathic and the feedback is really great. I think it fair to say that when at the upper reaches of the performance envelope you can start to feel the GT-ness of the setup vs 720S. Not a criticism, not a bad thing but it isn't quite as on its toes as the "sportier" cars feel when really "on it". All relative of course, you couldn't make a Bentley do the things that this car does in sportiness terms and nor do I think the 720S would be quite as good as the GT long distance. That's about what I thought it was after my first ever drive and I still hold that view today with a lot more experience behind the wheel.
When I first got mine, I'd almost never see another one anywhere. At most big meets I would be the only GT there and there are hardly any owners on the owners club groups etc. That's starting to change a little bit as the market starts to understand the GT a bit more. I've noticed a couple out and about and started to even see others at shows and things. I was in NYC last week and one with an identical spec to mine drove past which is something I never thought I would see.
I'm looking forward to 2023 with the GT - plans include attending an F1 race in Europe, another European long drive adventure, a few UK-based road trips and more besides!
It has been a relatively quiet winter hence the massive lack of posting. Not much to report since October really. The car was serviced at the end of October at a cost of £1394. This is the "tock" service of the tick/tock rhythm, with the more minor service coming in at about half the cost. There's nothing particularly standing out to me as especially expensive from the itemised invoice given this is a main dealer service, more than 50% of the cost is labour. I did raise an eyebrow at the air filters costing significantly more than the engine oil but it is what it is I guess. They do give you a nice box of chocolates to soften the blow though
Took it down to the Collecting Cars Donington meet in November and that pretty much wrapped up 2022 for me
I've hardly used it since then in all honesty. It remained tucked away in the garage through to early Feb just waiting for the weather to clear up a bit and for the excuses to use it to come up again. The first run of the year was a run down to Millbrook where my car was used to sample audio for an upcoming video game, which was very interesting. I also took a day out from the madness to head to Caffeine and Machine.
They were very careful plus I have full-car PPF so I wasn't worried about any damage!
Year One Review
I've posted honestly throughout the thread and hope to always present a balanced and unbiased view of the good and bad of ownership, so there shouldn't be anything new here. Looking back through the thread and thinking back through the year, there have been some really good bits and some bad bits. Overall, knowing what I know now, would I buy this exact car again? Absolutely I would, although I would probably not go about it in the exact same way. The start was bumpy and there have been little bits here and there but all is forgiven when put in context of how much I enjoy ownership. In a world of Instagram where the perception is that everyone earns more than you, has huge car collections and the free time to use them all it is really easy to forget just how special it feels to own even just one car like this in a lifetime, especially in my mid 30s where I have the health and opportunities to enjoy it to the fullest. I smile to myself every time I see it, even if I'm just popping into the garage to grab something or walking back to it at a petrol station.
I've covered well in excess of 10,000 miles since picking it up - I've driven it to France and back from Switzerland, toured around Ireland, taken it up to 200mph, been to events, car shows etc around the country and thoroughly enjoyed it all.
What has that cost? Aside from the servicing I mentioned above, I've replaced the rear tyres twice and the fronts once. The first set of rears met their end after a DriveLimits day on ~5k miles, the second set surprised me as they "only" lasted 8k miles and I don't think I've really abused them other than enjoying some spirited driving. In any case, I was looking for an excuse to ditch the MC-rated Pirelli P Zeros in favour of a tyre that works better more of the time in the UK climate. As an aside, I chose Continental SportContact 7 over Michelin Pilot Sport 4S as from the reviews they seem to be the superior tyre. I was very impressed with Continental SportContact 5s in the past in every department except insane wear rate, so if the 7 is improved in this regard as the reviewers claim then I expect to be seriously impressed. My initial feedback given the cold winter conditions is that they are immediately more grippy at every temperature I've seen yet. They are also quieter, or at least make a different noise which I perceive to be quieter. Given the Pirelli tyre has huge foam blocks glued inside, this was a real surprise to me and was noticeable within 100 yards of the tyre fitter. I'll feed back on how they are as time goes on and I have more data. The fitted cost for the set of 4 Contis was £1006. The pair of MC-rated Pirelli rears was around £650 which is very slightly more expensive than the Continentals.
Fuel... I've not tracked this precisely as, frankly, I don't really want to know! I can easily hit 35mpg on a long run, 37-38mpg if I stick the cruise on at 70mph indicated and there's no traffic. Nobody buys a McLaren for fuel economy reasons but it really matters quite a lot when you want to travel long distances in one go. For perspective, the difference between 27 and 37 mpg is about 100 miles extra between fuel stops, which is often the difference between stopping or not stopping at all! On the flip side, it can also hit less than 10mpg no problem when pressing on. This variability is actually somewhat annoying because it means as soon as you peel off the beaten track onto more interesting roads the range you thought you had just evaporates and a search for a petrol station often results. I think a reasoned estimate of my fuel spend would be in the ballpark of £5000. I've also topped up the oil, a little over a litre total which probably comes to about £40. Other than that and screenwash my personal bills have been zero.
Insurance is one of the great mysteries of life and varies hugely from person to person and from car to car. This year, my renewal is £830.
I had the whole car PPFd which has definitely proven to be worth the money as it has some pock marks here and there which would probably have been colossal stone chips. The cost of that was about £2.5k which I think will pay for itself given my usage of the car!
Warranty claims? Yep. Three replacement panels, a fairly significant coolant leak, a drivers door strut, the front suspension "failed" according to the computer which was just a software update to fix, the front boot latch needed some adjustment so I could close it properly and it has an intermittent rattle from the rear which as I type this it is in McLaren for the 3rd (and hopefully last) time to be rectified.
Y1 total, circa £10k spent all-in excluding depreciation, or £1/mile.[NB: Depreciation is hard to judge and a guess at best - one for the end of the road when I look back and calculate TCO.] Honestly, I don't think I can put a value on how much I enjoy it so I don't feel like that is a particularly relevant number for me, just providing numbers for interested readers
Boring reality stuff out the way, what's it really like? Does it meet the requirements I set out to fulfil at the start?
Overall I think it is absolutely superb.
Speaking openly, it is probably better than I thought it would be in some ways and not quite as good in others. When I set out to buy a car, I wanted something that could cope with ~2 weeks of luggage for two, get me across continents comfortably and yet still be amazing fun when out for a drive in Wales or the Alps or wherever the road takes me. The 2 week luggage thing is the Achilles heel of most supercars, or at least it is when one of the two people wants to take a hairdryer, straighteners and who knows what else. The GT has a lot of luggage room - more than enough for a pair of cabin sized bags at the front and then even more storage at the rear. The rear space is a weird shape but also bigger than it looks, which means you can put way more back there than you think... However, it is mostly open to the cabin aside from a section right at the very back which is big enough to take one large or two smaller backpacks - so without adequate strapping it is probably going to hurt if you have to stop in a hurry. The practical reality is that a one week trip is totally fine (and would have been totally fine in a 720S...) but 2 weeks takes some planning and is maybe slightly more compromised than ideal but a compromise I am happy with. Certainly weighted against the alternative in something like a DB11, this is still the right call for my personal blend of wants but it isn't quite as good at accommodating luggage in the real world as I thought it would be.
From a performance perspective it remains about where I thought it would be - more than fast enough, excellent chassis, steering is telepathic and the feedback is really great. I think it fair to say that when at the upper reaches of the performance envelope you can start to feel the GT-ness of the setup vs 720S. Not a criticism, not a bad thing but it isn't quite as on its toes as the "sportier" cars feel when really "on it". All relative of course, you couldn't make a Bentley do the things that this car does in sportiness terms and nor do I think the 720S would be quite as good as the GT long distance. That's about what I thought it was after my first ever drive and I still hold that view today with a lot more experience behind the wheel.
When I first got mine, I'd almost never see another one anywhere. At most big meets I would be the only GT there and there are hardly any owners on the owners club groups etc. That's starting to change a little bit as the market starts to understand the GT a bit more. I've noticed a couple out and about and started to even see others at shows and things. I was in NYC last week and one with an identical spec to mine drove past which is something I never thought I would see.
I'm looking forward to 2023 with the GT - plans include attending an F1 race in Europe, another European long drive adventure, a few UK-based road trips and more besides!
justin220 said:
Fantastic post. And your are completely right about Instagram and perception. I deleted it for that very reason.
I still think the GT is the best looking car McLaren make.
Thanks Justin!I still think the GT is the best looking car McLaren make.
I'm inclined to agree with you, from most angles. I'd have liked the front end to have a little more 650S/P1 in it - there is an almost imperceptible impression in the front bumper underneath the outer edges of the headlight extending down toward the splitter and I think they could have exaggerated that a little bit more. Still, nothing is perfect and I'm more than happy with the superb lines overall
GT car doing GT things!
Took it up to Skye - I have to say, the road up to Portree from Fort William is incredible. Mile after mile of generally perfect road surfaces and great sight lines for making overtakes when you come across the odd car (though hardly any of them around really). Came back down through the Cairngorms but this was somewhat spoiled by very foggy/wet weather hindering both progress and sightseeing opportunities!
Fog:
Took the A68 home and then detoured via the awesome Stanhope road, calling in at the Crown Inn for some lunch - a really great petrolhead pub which almost always has something interesting parked up outside. I've been here twice recently, so I'm nicking a "pro" shot taken from another trip:
Paid a visit to Holy Island and, as is the rules, I stopped for a pic in the middle
Put the drone up as I was part of a group...
Took it up to Skye - I have to say, the road up to Portree from Fort William is incredible. Mile after mile of generally perfect road surfaces and great sight lines for making overtakes when you come across the odd car (though hardly any of them around really). Came back down through the Cairngorms but this was somewhat spoiled by very foggy/wet weather hindering both progress and sightseeing opportunities!
Fog:
Took the A68 home and then detoured via the awesome Stanhope road, calling in at the Crown Inn for some lunch - a really great petrolhead pub which almost always has something interesting parked up outside. I've been here twice recently, so I'm nicking a "pro" shot taken from another trip:
Paid a visit to Holy Island and, as is the rules, I stopped for a pic in the middle
Put the drone up as I was part of a group...
Zippee said:
Just seen this thread and it's a great warts and all read. A couple of questions from me;
Did you decide to continue with the Mcl warranty or are you still within your 3 years manufacturers? If the latter will you continue with it as I believe theirs is pretty expensive? I'm in an AMG GTC at present and keep looking at the GT you have, though I'm still erring more to an open top. The GT is probably the best looking Mcl have made to my eyes
Do you have any pics of the custom luggage you had made? Would be good to see how all that fits in?
You mention new panels - is that the dreaded corrosion issue? TBH it's my main concern as I believe they won't warranty those after a certain term? Are the new panels sorted in terms of it not re-occurring?
Sorry I missed this post - I've been slacking on the Internet front for a while now...Did you decide to continue with the Mcl warranty or are you still within your 3 years manufacturers? If the latter will you continue with it as I believe theirs is pretty expensive? I'm in an AMG GTC at present and keep looking at the GT you have, though I'm still erring more to an open top. The GT is probably the best looking Mcl have made to my eyes
Do you have any pics of the custom luggage you had made? Would be good to see how all that fits in?
You mention new panels - is that the dreaded corrosion issue? TBH it's my main concern as I believe they won't warranty those after a certain term? Are the new panels sorted in terms of it not re-occurring?
Still in the 3 year warranty. I'd not run a car like this without a warranty myself - plenty of people self-insure which often proves financially worthwhile but I want the peace of mind.
Re the custom luggage, I never got around to placing the order for one reason or another (but no slight on their stuff, it is really really excellent) and then my mrs bought me some really nice leather bags anyway so that was the final nail in the coffin. If you want some custom luggage made, go see Colin - he'll gladly show you around the factory and show you samples etc etc.
New panels were corrosion related yes. Will it come back? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Seems to be luck of the draw. The applicable warranty is 5 years - some say it used to be 10, my understanding is that it was always 5 but McLaren used to generously interpret the terms of the 10 year element and fix cars, something they no longer do.
I've been neglecting this thread quite a bit... time for a few updates!
Since my last post, I've had a few more adventures Most are not particularly of note beyond my own personal enjoyment however the famous McLaren "unreliability" has been notably absent - something that does appear to be a very very common theme amongst those who use their cars. Garage queens take note!
First of the notable drives was my attempt at the Land's End to Lowestoft challenge made famous by Jeremy Clarkson in a Jaguar XJ. I must admit to cheating ever so slightly in that I didn't do it on the exact date of the solstice (which was a Wednesday) for calendaring reasons, instead opting to do it on the Saturday night instead. This adds an additional 80s or so onto the night but I was pretty confident that wouldn't make any difference to me... I headed to Cornwall on the Friday, spent Saturday chilling out at St Michaels Mount before a nice dinner at the First and Last Inn - all highly recommended even if the island is closed on a Saturday...
Heading into Land's End, the atmosphere was pretty buoyant. I wasn't alone doing the challenge and we all felt like it would be a tough but achievable challenge. Sunset was shaping up to be absolutely spectacular with some really nice fluffy clouds in the sky but sadly they all disappeared in the last few minutes, so no really really stunning sunset images for me. Maybe next time!
As we headed off into the night the reality of the challenge started to creep in. There's a few possible routes you can take: Up the M5 to the M4 and across, diagonally along the A303 or (bizarrely) up via Birmingham. They all have similar ETAs, with the A303 probably being the more fun route and the M5/M4 route being the most boring. Unfortunately for us, the A303 was closed so up the M5 we went. This slightly elongates the route but in essence you need to maintain an average speed of about 67mph to complete the ~450 mile drive. Had we not realised the A303 was closed we'd have blown it before we even started! Fuel was also a concern - while most McLarens are stupendously good on fuel for what they are, that is if and only if you can keep the speed/acceleration to a minimum. As soon as the speeds creep up the fuel economy absolutely plummets with a difference of as much as 15mpg between a sensible cruising speed and one just slightly above that. My tank range is ~300 miles so even with a tailwind and being extremely ginger with the throttle there was no way I was going to make it without stopping at least once.
We hit quite a bit of traffic on the A30 through some roadworks which cost us precious time very early on in the drive requiring some progress to be made which in turn meant we were consigned to needing an additional stop. The first stop came and was completed as planned, the second came after some calculations had us running out of fuel with a mile or so to go and thankfully we hit what turned out to be the very last open fuel station on our route! Time/distance calculations were being run pretty frequently vs our benchmark of the required average and honestly we needn't have been worried at any point once we were clear of the traffic. Driving the M25 at 3am was surprisingly busy but otherwise the roads were mostly ours and ours alone which does help maintain a steady average speed.
We made it comfortably!
A few of the drivers got split along the way for various reasons but one decided to go via the Birmingham route and was only about 5 mins behind us but still in plenty of time to make the sunrise. The only car that didn't make it was a Tesla who was being extremely ambitious in a lot of ways, mainly the absolutely ludicrous speed they'd need to maintain in order to get their required 60+ mins of charging en route. They passed us somewhere along the M5 at an admirable rate of knots but were nowhere to be seen at the finish line. I did spot them the following day with some damage which implied an argument with a badger/fox/baby deer might have added to their struggles but honestly I think their attempt was doomed from the start.
So in summary, the GT behaved beautifully and was a total joy to pilot cross-country. I was as fresh as you could reasonably expect following a 7 hour night drive at the end of a 20 hour day and if you'd asked me to drive back to Land's End I'd have gladly done so (although maybe with a few hours sleep first!).
Another adventure-filled post coming very soon!
Since my last post, I've had a few more adventures
Most are not particularly of note beyond my own personal enjoyment however the famous McLaren "unreliability" has been notably absent - something that does appear to be a very very common theme amongst those who use their cars. Garage queens take note! First of the notable drives was my attempt at the Land's End to Lowestoft challenge made famous by Jeremy Clarkson in a Jaguar XJ. I must admit to cheating ever so slightly in that I didn't do it on the exact date of the solstice (which was a Wednesday) for calendaring reasons, instead opting to do it on the Saturday night instead. This adds an additional 80s or so onto the night but I was pretty confident that wouldn't make any difference to me... I headed to Cornwall on the Friday, spent Saturday chilling out at St Michaels Mount before a nice dinner at the First and Last Inn - all highly recommended even if the island is closed on a Saturday...
Heading into Land's End, the atmosphere was pretty buoyant. I wasn't alone doing the challenge and we all felt like it would be a tough but achievable challenge. Sunset was shaping up to be absolutely spectacular with some really nice fluffy clouds in the sky but sadly they all disappeared in the last few minutes, so no really really stunning sunset images for me. Maybe next time!
As we headed off into the night the reality of the challenge started to creep in. There's a few possible routes you can take: Up the M5 to the M4 and across, diagonally along the A303 or (bizarrely) up via Birmingham. They all have similar ETAs, with the A303 probably being the more fun route and the M5/M4 route being the most boring. Unfortunately for us, the A303 was closed so up the M5 we went. This slightly elongates the route but in essence you need to maintain an average speed of about 67mph to complete the ~450 mile drive. Had we not realised the A303 was closed we'd have blown it before we even started! Fuel was also a concern - while most McLarens are stupendously good on fuel for what they are, that is if and only if you can keep the speed/acceleration to a minimum. As soon as the speeds creep up the fuel economy absolutely plummets with a difference of as much as 15mpg between a sensible cruising speed and one just slightly above that. My tank range is ~300 miles so even with a tailwind and being extremely ginger with the throttle there was no way I was going to make it without stopping at least once.
We hit quite a bit of traffic on the A30 through some roadworks which cost us precious time very early on in the drive requiring some progress to be made which in turn meant we were consigned to needing an additional stop. The first stop came and was completed as planned, the second came after some calculations had us running out of fuel with a mile or so to go and thankfully we hit what turned out to be the very last open fuel station on our route! Time/distance calculations were being run pretty frequently vs our benchmark of the required average and honestly we needn't have been worried at any point once we were clear of the traffic. Driving the M25 at 3am was surprisingly busy but otherwise the roads were mostly ours and ours alone which does help maintain a steady average speed.
We made it comfortably!
A few of the drivers got split along the way for various reasons but one decided to go via the Birmingham route and was only about 5 mins behind us but still in plenty of time to make the sunrise. The only car that didn't make it was a Tesla who was being extremely ambitious in a lot of ways, mainly the absolutely ludicrous speed they'd need to maintain in order to get their required 60+ mins of charging en route. They passed us somewhere along the M5 at an admirable rate of knots but were nowhere to be seen at the finish line. I did spot them the following day with some damage which implied an argument with a badger/fox/baby deer might have added to their struggles but honestly I think their attempt was doomed from the start.
So in summary, the GT behaved beautifully and was a total joy to pilot cross-country. I was as fresh as you could reasonably expect following a 7 hour night drive at the end of a 20 hour day and if you'd asked me to drive back to Land's End I'd have gladly done so (although maybe with a few hours sleep first!).
Another adventure-filled post coming very soon!
Ken Figenus said:
Thanks for posting all this fab info.
Went to see a GT in the flesh first time on the weekend in London and it was an absolutely stonkingly well resolved car. Test drive next... Do you know any discount codes perchance
What's a clever money year to get? As with all cars the more recent the better usually - but seems like carbon brakes might be a good move on this as its a 200 mph car with four pots on the front with steels?
The panel blistering really concerns me as there comes a point when they don't cover it and they haven't fixed it - its a real concern.
Off to YouTube till midnight now;)
Steel brakes here and absolutely no complaints regarding stopping power or thermal management even when really, really pressing on. Stops from over 200mph at the limit of the tyre just fine. For the road, steels are probably better than ceramics - no issues with needing new underwear should you need to stop in a hurry with stone cold/wet brakes on the motorway for example. Nightmare for dust though, wheel cleaning after a spirited drive was always a pain that you neatly avoid with ceramics.Went to see a GT in the flesh first time on the weekend in London and it was an absolutely stonkingly well resolved car. Test drive next... Do you know any discount codes perchance
What's a clever money year to get? As with all cars the more recent the better usually - but seems like carbon brakes might be a good move on this as its a 200 mph car with four pots on the front with steels?
The panel blistering really concerns me as there comes a point when they don't cover it and they haven't fixed it - its a real concern.
Off to YouTube till midnight now;)
My car just missed the cutoff where ceramics became standard - all MY22 cars onward have them regardless. I wouldn't have optioned them from new, I wouldn't (and didn't, clearly!) factor them into my purchase decision.
As far as I know, the MY22 on cars got a lot more options as standard. My 2021 car has every standard option fitted except the ceramics and the electrochromatic sunroof, plus the MSO carbon interior (which fixes the tragic aluminium steering wheel insert) and MSO Black Pack. For me, the Black Pack is a must as the chrome around the windows looks absolutely awful to my eyes. Yes, it comes with black wheels but these can be swapped out easily enough. I'd also make absolutely sure I had the sports exhaust which is quiet enough as it is. Obviously someone could have gone nuts with MSO but I've never seen a GT with something not on "the list" yet.
The specific paint warranty is 5 years, so the best you can hope for is to buy a car with anything sorted, get anything that comes up sorted under warranty within the 5 years and then save up a few quid just in case it creeps in. At least in the beginning it isn't all that visible - I've seen cars in the flesh with fairly significant corrosion of practically every single panel (this was a 600LT) and unless pointed out close up you'd not notice. The first cars are 2019 so it isn't going to be an issue buying one now, especially via a McDealer.
Regarding discount codes - the key word is "depreciation". My car was £199,980 from a quick back-of-an-envelope calculation and they're, *ahem*, quite a lot less than that now!
samoht said:
I think it would only be repeated big stops, as you would do on track, that would maybe expose a difference between steel and ceramic brakes.
The other option with the paint is to buy a newish car and if you're concerned about corrosion to sell it at the five year mark, after any issues that do appear have been fixed under the paint warranty. Obviously depends on your intended ownership time horizon, but say a 2021 car still gives you ~3 years to enjoy it before you have to worry/decide about that.
I can tell you first hand that I didn't notice anything that would be of note/concern after repeated, frequent very big stops from WAY beyond road speeds on multiple occasions. The steel brakes are perfectly up to the task at hand and probably preferable to ceramics for track work unless you have the financial firepower to spend on replacing cooked discs after every other track day...The other option with the paint is to buy a newish car and if you're concerned about corrosion to sell it at the five year mark, after any issues that do appear have been fixed under the paint warranty. Obviously depends on your intended ownership time horizon, but say a 2021 car still gives you ~3 years to enjoy it before you have to worry/decide about that.
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