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TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Sunday 5th March 2023
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All done for today. I didn't do the wheels today, I'll give them a proper going over another day. Today was about the paint work.

Quick wash, clay, rinse and dry, quick hand polish, IPA wipe down and then 2 coats of Gtechniq C2.







Also gave the exhausts a clean up - didn't have a proper metal polish so I'm fairly happy with how they've turned out - before


After




TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Sunday 5th March 2023
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bolidemichael said:
You missed a bit
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TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Sunday 5th March 2023
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roadie said:
Is that also a Silverstone E90!?

Both look very clean!
Yes, Silverstone II.

Edit - ah did you mean the car behind mine? No, it's basic silver.

Edited by TyrannosauRoss Lex on Sunday 5th March 19:14

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Monday 6th March 2023
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Krikkit said:
Lovely work.

I'd get the oil changed in the DCT - I know it's "sealed for life", but that's a bodge to save on servicing costs imho. With another change it'll be flawless for the rest of its days with you. That and the diff oil.
I've already messaged my indy about the gearbox, if they can do it, they will be asked to do so. I also contacted a gearbox specialist near me who said they could also do it no problems.

The diff oil will likely be done when its next service is up (November, although I'll probably do it a month or so earlier).

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Monday 6th March 2023
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One thing I am impressed by is how comfortable the seats are, they really are lovely. The interior quality doesn't feel as good as the Lexus, but I wouldn't expect it to. The sun visor leather (if that's what it is) feels very rough compared to that of the Lexus.

However, it does have a stonking V8 with loads of charm biggrin

I'm looking forward to getting the minor bits done next week, and then the big bits next month!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Monday 6th March 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
zek said:
RS Grant said:
Yep, similar averages here... from memory my old E92 manual was ~16mpg average and my current F80 manual is sitting around ~26mpg.

The newer car is better in every measurable way. However it doesn't sound even 50% as good as the older V8 car, which I really miss and have weighed up a step back a few times to be honest.
Not really. The E9x has proper Steering feel (hydraulic steering), more driving feedback, higher quality interior materials, more comfortable and softer seats, is smaller (5cm narrower), has no turbo lag, less road noise, better ride quality. The F8x is a better daily and excels in other areas but not all IMO.
I personally much prefer the M4 in comparison the M3 as a daily. However I do really miss the induction noise and the lovely ride quality that the M3 has though.

As a weekend car I think I would go for the M3 over the M4. Regarding the steering the M4 does have a great turn in, but I also liked the steering in the M3 though. However I remember quite a few reviews slating the steering a bit in the M3 for some reason.
I haven't been in an M4 so cannot say. I do, however, think the M3 is perfectly adequate for daily driver performance. If the M4 has a more harsh ride I wouldn't like that.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Tuesday 7th March 2023
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One of my colleagues at work, who drives a Toyota Auris said "what's the point in getting something so fast if you can't go over 70?"

"Well you can't go over 70 because you have a Toyota Auris" hehe

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Tuesday 7th March 2023
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donkmeister said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
One of my colleagues at work, who drives a Toyota Auris said "what's the point in getting something so fast if you can't go over 70?"

"Well you can't go over 70 because you have a Toyota Auris" hehe
"All the better for not being stuck behind people who drive an Auris" hehe
May have gotten to 110 earlier, but it's just so easy to get there, despite what Auris man says. I think the performance level is just right..... Quick enough to have fun but not stupidly fast you can't ever use it.

Induction noise under full throttle is rather special, too.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Tuesday 7th March 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Induction noise under full throttle is rather special, too.
The E9x M3 is easily the best car I've had for induction noise Ross. It always puts you on cloud 9 I reckon! thumbup

I once saw 165 on the digital speedo readout in mine...in Mexico of course!! winkbiggrin
When my dad had his he managed 167 with me as a passenger which was quite funny.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Tuesday 7th March 2023
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MrCD said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
roadie said:
What tyres are you thinking of replacing the Cups with?
Pilot Sport 4, or if they aren't available then 4S.
I'd recommend the Continental Sport Contact 7 instead. I've replaced rears with them, from 4s. The SC7 faired better in all recent tyre tests in all/most categories and price wise for me were circa 150 less per tyre over the 4s and so far so good. Tyre wall looks nice too.
Thanks for the tip!

As an aside the Cup 2 tyres - it's 4 degrees here today, and it's been drizzling most of the day. I'm still alive biggrin they really aren't bad and seem to be fine, I didn't push hard but for daily use they're not a concern. The fronts have loads of tread left but the rears are on 3mm or so, so they're being done this coming Monday.

Edited by TyrannosauRoss Lex on Tuesday 7th March 17:09

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Wednesday 8th March 2023
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Earlier today a colleague of mine, who has an E90 320d "M Sport" said the only difference between the M3 and the 320d was the engine. When I said the suspension is different he said "no, mine has the M Sport suspension"....he actually thinks it's the same laugh Ignoring the fact the M3 has a totally different axle (wider width, for starters), different brakes, gearbox, several body panels etc etc laugh

The indy have got back to me and they will do a full service of the gearbox, too. As per the redish motorsport website they generally seem to be solid gearboxes, although there are a few areas from which they can leak. When one considers the cost of a basic fluid and filter change vs the cost of doing that plus replacing the parts that can cause them to leak (and then having to do the job all over again) it seems daft to not just do the whole thing - so it's getting that done. It'll be a seriously big bill to start me off but will give me good peace of mind for the engine and gearbox. I plan to keep this car for a long time so seems prudent to do so.

cerb4.5lee said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
cerb4.5lee said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Induction noise under full throttle is rather special, too.
The E9x M3 is easily the best car I've had for induction noise Ross. It always puts you on cloud 9 I reckon! thumbup

I once saw 165 on the digital speedo readout in mine...in Mexico of course!! winkbiggrin
When my dad had his he managed 167 with me as a passenger which was quite funny.
Nice one! beer

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It is great to read about how much you're enjoying yours too. smile
I am very much enjoying it. Personally the newer ones don't do it for me, sure, they're noticeably faster but the E9x generation is more than adequate, makes a glorious noise and (allegedly) rides better too.

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Wednesday 8th March 2023
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Krikkit said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
The indy have got back to me and they will do a full service of the gearbox, too. As per the redish motorsport website they generally seem to be solid gearboxes, although there are a few areas from which they can leak. When one considers the cost of a basic fluid and filter change vs the cost of doing that plus replacing the parts that can cause them to leak (and then having to do the job all over again) it seems daft to not just do the whole thing - so it's getting that done. It'll be a seriously big bill to start me off but will give me good peace of mind for the engine and gearbox. I plan to keep this car for a long time so seems prudent to do so.
Doesn't seem too silly a price considering the parts alone will be nearing £400, plus the oil at £30-odd a litre.
Including VAT the gearbox parts alone amount to over £700! Oil is £23.50/L plus VAT, and it takes 7L. The parts cost alone for the engine mounts plus con rod bearing work is over £1k.

The total bill will be just over £3k but, once done, I will have peace of mind the major jobs have all been done (actuators already done by previous owner).

Edited by TyrannosauRoss Lex on Wednesday 8th March 17:30

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Court_S said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Earlier today a colleague of mine, who has an E90 320d "M Sport" said the only difference between the M3 and the 320d was the engine. When I said the suspension is different he said "no, mine has the M Sport suspension"....he actually thinks it's the same laugh Ignoring the fact the M3 has a totally different axle (wider width, for starters), different brakes, gearbox, several body panels etc etc laugh
I used to have a similar debate with a colleague about our company cars; mine was a diesel vRS and his an A3 S Line. Both were manual cars with 184PS, MQB chassis etc but didn’t share any components! laugh He still didn’t agree even when I pointed out the VW / Audi logos on my discs! hehe
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TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Thursday 9th March 2023
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Jhonno said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Krikkit said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
The indy have got back to me and they will do a full service of the gearbox, too. As per the redish motorsport website they generally seem to be solid gearboxes, although there are a few areas from which they can leak. When one considers the cost of a basic fluid and filter change vs the cost of doing that plus replacing the parts that can cause them to leak (and then having to do the job all over again) it seems daft to not just do the whole thing - so it's getting that done. It'll be a seriously big bill to start me off but will give me good peace of mind for the engine and gearbox. I plan to keep this car for a long time so seems prudent to do so.
Doesn't seem too silly a price considering the parts alone will be nearing £400, plus the oil at £30-odd a litre.
Including VAT the gearbox parts alone amount to over £700! Oil is £23.50/L plus VAT, and it takes 7L. The parts cost alone for the engine mounts plus con rod bearing work is over £1k.

The total bill will be just over £3k but, once done, I will have peace of mind the major jobs have all been done (actuators already done by previous owner).

Edited by TyrannosauRoss Lex on Wednesday 8th March 17:30
The advantage is, once these bits are addressed, they seem generally solid engines!
Yes the engines seem pretty solid aside that issue. In the grand scheme of things the rod bearings are around £1800 or so, which is a big bill but not as bad as I thought it'd be after reading the horror stories about "big bills" online.

I also need to change my username......

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Leon R said:
Might also consider throttle actuators. You can get them rebuilt with a lifetime warranty.
Not sure if it was mentioned but they were replaced by the previous owner.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Thursday 9th March 2023
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iqbalr said:
The best engine I have ever driven. I had the convertible variant. 10 miles per gallon was not great but the engine was just so sonorous and it was a joy to drive.
I think it is one of the all time great engines. The noise and theatre, it is absolutely wonderful. I have been in numerous faster cars, the only one which has an engine that may be as characterful is the F Type R coupe. It is much faster than the M3, but also sounds fantastic. It is more "typical" V8 turned up to 11, and not as sophisticated a noise as the M3.

Many other cars (eg the layer 4.4 V8 M6) are also much faster but dreary in comparison. The M3 saloon is still a plenty fast car, but not so quick it's just stupidly so and not usable.

I absolutely love the car and am looking forward to getting the work done to it.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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BenS94 said:
Great choice, Ross. Love the saloon, always had more of a hold on me over the coupe.

So, the username.... will that have to change? wink
It will. Just not sure what to change it to, yet! E90_M3Ross seems a little predictable!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

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Friday 10th March 2023
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cornershop said:
Nicely done Sir

I nearly bought one back in 2021 but insurance was crazy for me for some reason, more than the outgoing v12 vantage.

I ending up buying your cars grandfather - 4 door too - that car is all about the engine and intake noise. I imagine yours is similar?
Yep, the engine and intake noise do rather dominate the experience!

E90_M3Ross

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Friday 10th March 2023
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So I was at work today, parked in the car park, and some old duffer (maybe 75+) was trying to park next to it, my colleague grabbed me and said "I think they've just hit your car!". I went out and sure enough, there are some marks to the rear bumper.

I knocked on their car window, and said they'd hit my car and they said "If it wasn't parked like that I wouldn't have hit it" to which I replied "but it's in a parking space, and it is parked like that, and you've reversed into a stationary object and caused some damage. We need to exchange insurance details".

She got out, looked at the damage and said "your going to make a claim for that?!" to which I said "yes, because it's damage that you have caused".

Took her details, I have 2 witnesses, and have already filed a claim on my insurance who said they'll contact me and her soon. No changes will happen to my premium because the vehicle was parked and I wasn't even in it.

Have emailed photos to my trusted bodyshop. Yes, it's minor, but I don't see why I shouldn't have it put right.




E90_M3Ross

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Friday 10th March 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
I bet you were annoyed to say the least Ross. I'm sorry to see that, and I hope that it gets sorted for you as quickly/easy as possible.

I'm loving your forum name change by the way! thumbup
Yes I'm pretty miffed to be honest, the marks will get sorted but her attitude absolutely stunk, that has annoyed me more. You could tell her car had been through similar numerous times! Check out this image.....!