My E36 328 Track Toy Build
Discussion
Well, based on my previous experience of fitting 4pot brembos to my fiat ad changing to DOT5.1 there was no noticeable change to pedal travel.
I will play it by ear, see how it is after the change on standard servo but if an upgrade is needed it will probably be the M3.
Calipers have been ordered now
Ry
I will play it by ear, see how it is after the change on standard servo but if an upgrade is needed it will probably be the M3.
Calipers have been ordered now
Ry
right, all priced up and in the processing of ordering the items. This upgrade path really is quite a cost effective option, i just hope it performs as well as i'm hoping!
Brackets - £120
Porsche 996.351.425/6 calipers - £347
Pagid RS29 Pads & Brembo Race Fluid - £263
BMW E46 M3 325x28mm Disc's - £200
All in £930 which is very reasonable for a big brake upgrade IMO.
I have heard the M3 disc's tend to overheat but keeping in mind the weight difference between the cars i'm hoping it will be able to cope.
Brackets - £120
Porsche 996.351.425/6 calipers - £347
Pagid RS29 Pads & Brembo Race Fluid - £263
BMW E46 M3 325x28mm Disc's - £200
All in £930 which is very reasonable for a big brake upgrade IMO.
I have heard the M3 disc's tend to overheat but keeping in mind the weight difference between the cars i'm hoping it will be able to cope.
Came home from work to find my calipers had been delivered, i hope you'll agree, they look awesome!
Should be able to provide plenty of stopping power! Disc's and pads should be delivered later this week.
I will be dropping these off at the machine shop tomorrow to have 12mm shaved off of the mounting face to mate the caliper with the 325mm disc rather than trying to squeeze 345mm discs on and worrying about the wheels not fitting.
I have a bit of a question regarding brake bias, if you fit larger front calipers this must move the break bias backward, is that correct? if so, i assume i could compensate if nessesary with one of the willwood adjustable valves?
Should be able to provide plenty of stopping power! Disc's and pads should be delivered later this week.
I will be dropping these off at the machine shop tomorrow to have 12mm shaved off of the mounting face to mate the caliper with the 325mm disc rather than trying to squeeze 345mm discs on and worrying about the wheels not fitting.
I have a bit of a question regarding brake bias, if you fit larger front calipers this must move the break bias backward, is that correct? if so, i assume i could compensate if nessesary with one of the willwood adjustable valves?
The calipers are at the machine shop to get 12mm shaved from the mounting face in preperation for fitting. Hope to have them back tomorrow but i was warned the guy had been out sick when i dropped them in.
I've had a few other goodies arrive
Still waiting on the mounting brackets and for some pictures of the work on the rollcage, still hoping to collect the car this weekend if the cage is done.
Ry
I've had a few other goodies arrive
Still waiting on the mounting brackets and for some pictures of the work on the rollcage, still hoping to collect the car this weekend if the cage is done.
Ry
Finally something interesting!
I got the calipers back from the machine shop, i was charged a rather eye watering £134.40 to have 12mm removed from the mounting faces, i will be looking for another machine shop next time as myself and others believe the price was way over the top for a small job.
Note: The pads in the calipers are not the RS29's, and there will be no pad wear sensor fitted.
And! i finally have photos of the cage i was promised!
I've been told i can collect the car on sunday and i'm so excited! i cant wait to crack on with painting the cage and tidying everything up
More pics to follow when i collect the car
I got the calipers back from the machine shop, i was charged a rather eye watering £134.40 to have 12mm removed from the mounting faces, i will be looking for another machine shop next time as myself and others believe the price was way over the top for a small job.
Note: The pads in the calipers are not the RS29's, and there will be no pad wear sensor fitted.
And! i finally have photos of the cage i was promised!
I've been told i can collect the car on sunday and i'm so excited! i cant wait to crack on with painting the cage and tidying everything up
More pics to follow when i collect the car
Picked the car up this morning and i'm very happy with the cage, it looks fantastic.
I have started to paint it but i can see its going to be a very long boring job as i'm having to apply it a thin coat at the time to get a reasonable finish, the rear of the car is nearly done i think
The only thing i'm really disappointed about is the sunroof, its been welded in from the top and had some filler thrown over it, it looks awful and is going to cost me alot to get sorted as now the whole roof needs respraying as for some reason it was nesseccary to sand paper alot of the roof for no reason over then to remove some bird poo.
the only other thing i'm annoyed about is that it appears a crowbar was used to get my driver seat subframe back into the car as it is now damaged along with central tunnel in the car.
I dont know why i wasnt just asked how i got the subframe in without damaging it or left for me to refit.
Ry
I have started to paint it but i can see its going to be a very long boring job as i'm having to apply it a thin coat at the time to get a reasonable finish, the rear of the car is nearly done i think
The only thing i'm really disappointed about is the sunroof, its been welded in from the top and had some filler thrown over it, it looks awful and is going to cost me alot to get sorted as now the whole roof needs respraying as for some reason it was nesseccary to sand paper alot of the roof for no reason over then to remove some bird poo.
the only other thing i'm annoyed about is that it appears a crowbar was used to get my driver seat subframe back into the car as it is now damaged along with central tunnel in the car.
I dont know why i wasnt just asked how i got the subframe in without damaging it or left for me to refit.
Ry
Bloody hell mate! You've been royally screwed at the machine shop! Did they not give you a price first?! Are you planning to rebuild the calipers while they're off, or take a change that they're ok?
Nightmare on the sunroof too - can't believe anyone would do it that way. Sounds like you're having no luck at all so far.
I'm at the cage-stage with my M3, so was going to ask how much it set you back but on second thoughts...
Nightmare on the sunroof too - can't believe anyone would do it that way. Sounds like you're having no luck at all so far.
I'm at the cage-stage with my M3, so was going to ask how much it set you back but on second thoughts...
The machine shop i took it to have been good in the past when i've had them skim heads, pressure test, and helicoiled a caliper before.
They wouldnt give me a price as they said it depended on time but i wasnt expecting to get screwed for that much!
Cage was £950 basic, +£50 for the harness bars and +£50 for having an X in the rear rather than just a single cross bar.
I think i'm going to have a go with a rattle can on the roof before forking out more cash, i cant really make it any worse can i?!
Calipers, all pistons are free moving and the seals look in good order, at the moment i feel it would be a waste of time/money to rebuild them. Being a track car, its not going to hurt having it off the road while the work is done when needed.
They wouldnt give me a price as they said it depended on time but i wasnt expecting to get screwed for that much!
Cage was £950 basic, +£50 for the harness bars and +£50 for having an X in the rear rather than just a single cross bar.
I think i'm going to have a go with a rattle can on the roof before forking out more cash, i cant really make it any worse can i?!
Calipers, all pistons are free moving and the seals look in good order, at the moment i feel it would be a waste of time/money to rebuild them. Being a track car, its not going to hurt having it off the road while the work is done when needed.
Windymiller said:
Fair point on the brakes. Not too bad a price on the cage — was that based on supplying the car stripped of sound deadening, trim and glass?
Suppled the car stripped and i had removed the sound deadening but glass was still in place, electric windows were still operational.once all of the messy painting is done i'll set about fitting my poly window kit
bulldog5046 said:
Came home from work to find my calipers had been delivered, i hope you'll agree, they look awesome!
Should be able to provide plenty of stopping power! Disc's and pads should be delivered later this week.
I will be dropping these off at the machine shop tomorrow to have 12mm shaved off of the mounting face to mate the caliper with the 325mm disc rather than trying to squeeze 345mm discs on and worrying about the wheels not fitting.
I have a bit of a question regarding brake bias, if you fit larger front calipers this must move the break bias backward, is that correct? if so, i assume i could compensate if nessesary with one of the willwood adjustable valves?
Have you fitted these?Should be able to provide plenty of stopping power! Disc's and pads should be delivered later this week.
I will be dropping these off at the machine shop tomorrow to have 12mm shaved off of the mounting face to mate the caliper with the 325mm disc rather than trying to squeeze 345mm discs on and worrying about the wheels not fitting.
I have a bit of a question regarding brake bias, if you fit larger front calipers this must move the break bias backward, is that correct? if so, i assume i could compensate if nessesary with one of the willwood adjustable valves?
Do they fit well?
bulldog5046 said:
I have a bit of a question regarding brake bias, if you fit larger front calipers this must move the break bias backward, is that correct? if so, i assume i could compensate if nessesary with one of the willwood adjustable valves?
We have an AP Racing "formula" set up on our E36, fronts only. They have awesome stopping power and we still run the standard 325 rear calipers. The car feels really nicely balanced under braking in the dry although the rear does get a little squirmy in the wet. Nothing horrendous but adjustable brake bias is on the list of things to do at some point.crossie said:
Have you fitted these?
Do they fit well?
Unfortunately i'm still waiting on the brackets, i was hoping they would arrive this week but i've still not seen them Do they fit well?
andygtt said:
i like the porsche conversion... did you use the E46 discs, were did you get them and how much... would like to fit these to my M3.. wonder if the CSL ones may fit in std M3 wheels?
Yes, i'm using E46 M3 Discs (325x28mm).You can use the CSL 345mm discs and it even saves you having to machine the calipers which is nice, but you need atleast 18" rims to clear the calipers..
benny.c said:
We have an AP Racing "formula" set up on our E36, fronts only. They have awesome stopping power and we still run the standard 325 rear calipers. The car feels really nicely balanced under braking in the dry although the rear does get a little squirmy in the wet. Nothing horrendous but adjustable brake bias is on the list of things to do at some point.
Thanks Benny!These are probably a little bigger then your AP setup but its good to year yours wasnt too affected by the change, hopefully it will be okay!
Been meaning to post these photos for a few day, better late than never hey?
On Tuesday the all of the stickers arrived! there are soo many i dont even know where i'm going to start!
And i've been working on the roof aswell to try and make it look better.
As you can see i'm clearly no bodywork expert, infact far from it, i'm utterly useless but atleast it looks better than a bodge of filler until i can afford some dosh to get it put right.
I think the panel hasnt been welded in the right place as it looks like it will be left with a big indent at the back as the sunroof panel seem to be lower than the roof line
On Tuesday the all of the stickers arrived! there are soo many i dont even know where i'm going to start!
And i've been working on the roof aswell to try and make it look better.
As you can see i'm clearly no bodywork expert, infact far from it, i'm utterly useless but atleast it looks better than a bodge of filler until i can afford some dosh to get it put right.
I think the panel hasnt been welded in the right place as it looks like it will be left with a big indent at the back as the sunroof panel seem to be lower than the roof line
This weekend i finished painting the cage (or atleast decided i've had enough of applying coats!!), trimmed the dash to refit and started tidying up the floor as its a state.
Took a pic of the dash back in with the new steering wheel and horn wired in.
A friend of mine who works in a bodyshop has also offered to sort out the filler work out on the sunroof so it should atleast look half decent once he's done with it! shoudl be happening next weekend as bad weather has prevented us doing anything this weekend.
Took a pic of the dash back in with the new steering wheel and horn wired in.
A friend of mine who works in a bodyshop has also offered to sort out the filler work out on the sunroof so it should atleast look half decent once he's done with it! shoudl be happening next weekend as bad weather has prevented us doing anything this weekend.
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