1999 Accord Type-R - Saved from the scrapheap
Discussion
Awesome!
My ATR is always the car I would love to drive again but I have to say, given they seem to have all rusted so much now I doubt I'll ever own or drive one again. Such a shame.
I was 19 too and ep3 insurance was ludicrous, the ATR was something like 1400 which was a bargain.
I had a pre facelift nighthawk black 2000 model (most pre facelifts were pirates black), long arm K&N typhoon, decat & decat back dual exit big bore....was loud.
My ATR is always the car I would love to drive again but I have to say, given they seem to have all rusted so much now I doubt I'll ever own or drive one again. Such a shame.
I was 19 too and ep3 insurance was ludicrous, the ATR was something like 1400 which was a bargain.
I had a pre facelift nighthawk black 2000 model (most pre facelifts were pirates black), long arm K&N typhoon, decat & decat back dual exit big bore....was loud.
chrismc1977 said:
Good to see an ATR being used properly. I didn’t ever really fall for the 2 I’ve owned.
My biggest complaint vs my 2 DC2 Integras is the narrower VTEC rpm band.
Hits VTEC @ ~5800 but rev limited to 7900. The Integra has VTEC @ 5800 until 8500. Those ~600rpm make a huge difference- I found the ATR more tricky to keep on the boil- the need to rev to just shy of the limiter to keep it in VTEC got tiring!!
The extra kerbweight of the ATR made it feel noticeably more docile (sluggish) pre-VTEC as well. Just not as chuckable or light on its toes.
To liven it up further definitely investigate a 4.64fd & a better header.
The header looks big bore- but is actually twin-walled!
Oh & you’ll definitely want your crank pulley & overheating issues sorted before tracking it!
It is a pain to keep it in VTEC 2nd-3rd and 3rd-4th! In my ATR-engined Prelude I've got VTEC set at 5000rpm and it's a breeze to keep it lit as it's always above 5k as long as you change somewhere towards the limiter, but doesn't require such a perfect change.My biggest complaint vs my 2 DC2 Integras is the narrower VTEC rpm band.
Hits VTEC @ ~5800 but rev limited to 7900. The Integra has VTEC @ 5800 until 8500. Those ~600rpm make a huge difference- I found the ATR more tricky to keep on the boil- the need to rev to just shy of the limiter to keep it in VTEC got tiring!!
The extra kerbweight of the ATR made it feel noticeably more docile (sluggish) pre-VTEC as well. Just not as chuckable or light on its toes.
To liven it up further definitely investigate a 4.64fd & a better header.
The header looks big bore- but is actually twin-walled!
Oh & you’ll definitely want your crank pulley & overheating issues sorted before tracking it!
Although you can't really complain about having to rev it out as that's just the nature of Hondas
It definitely feels a lot more lively than my B18 Aerodeck but you can blame the 'deck gearbox for that, the ratios are horrid.
Final drive is something I'll consider if the box ever has to come out again!
I'd like to OBD1 convert it to enable mapping, then fit an exhaust manifold, port the inlet, 70mm throttle body and see what power we can get out of it.
I've got a nice thick alloy rad to go on, just need to order silicone hoses and might as well get a thermostat at the same time. Not sure what I'm going to do about the crank pulley if the crank is indeed worn!
Karlsruhe said:
Great read this, kudos for keeping it alive, looks really good now. I used to have a facelift black and read interior one. They certainly make a great all rounder, I remember that VTEC howl really well and the way it just carved up curves-a really satisfyingly car to drive.
Funnily enough like you I also used to have a VTI Aerodeck and fitted with a rear anti roll bar from a MG ZS made a huge difference to the way it handled, I also remember the comedy bus sized steering wheel too.
I've since moved onto a CL7 Euro R which is very similar to your Accord Type R but a little bit more refined.
Really hope you keep it as you are in tip top shape and gain many years of pleasure out of it as cars aren't going to be built like this anymore!
Thanks!Funnily enough like you I also used to have a VTI Aerodeck and fitted with a rear anti roll bar from a MG ZS made a huge difference to the way it handled, I also remember the comedy bus sized steering wheel too.
I've since moved onto a CL7 Euro R which is very similar to your Accord Type R but a little bit more refined.
Really hope you keep it as you are in tip top shape and gain many years of pleasure out of it as cars aren't going to be built like this anymore!
Yep the Aerodeck will be receiving some more love over summer, realistically it needs a few panels replacing and a respray to make it really nice. It's an absolute pudding to drive, desperately needs the rear ARB, some new RTA bushes and a set of coilovers. Eventually I'd love to go down the turbo route, as I'm sure you know the B18C4 responds extremely well and can easily make around 350bhp with no reliability issues.
CL7 Euro R is a lovely car, still modern looking now and the interior on the 7th gen is a nice place to be!
Loplop said:
Fond memories of your first one mate - (Liam) - need to come and have a look at the V Reg one.
Still need to scratch the itch when I get the chance.
Remember the White one running ~ 280 bhp a few years back?
Was a great time, when I picked it up and did 600 miles in a weekend Still need to scratch the itch when I get the chance.
Remember the White one running ~ 280 bhp a few years back?
That day with you and Brian in Wales was ace, except the cat incident...Yeah, definitely need a good drive out when all this malarkey is over - be good to see both the Jakes, Ste etc too!
If you're getting one I'd hurry, there aren't many left and people are asking double what I've ever paid for them!
Yeah, Rory bought that and put the engine and box in a 98 spec DC2! The shell lives on I think, it definitely got sold and put back together but that was a while ago now!
Jaaack said:
It is a pain to keep it in VTEC 2nd-3rd and 3rd-4th! In my ATR-engined Prelude I've got VTEC set at 5000rpm and it's a breeze to keep it lit as it's always above 5k as long as you change somewhere towards the limiter, but doesn't require such a perfect change.
Although you can't really complain about having to rev it out as that's just the nature of Hondas
It definitely feels a lot more lively than my B18 Aerodeck but you can blame the 'deck gearbox for that, the ratios are horrid.
Final drive is something I'll consider if the box ever has to come out again!
I'd like to OBD1 convert it to enable mapping, then fit an exhaust manifold, port the inlet, 70mm throttle body and see what power we can get out of it.
I've got a nice thick alloy rad to go on, just need to order silicone hoses and might as well get a thermostat at the same time. Not sure what I'm going to do about the crank pulley if the crank is indeed worn!
Look up performance autoworks.Although you can't really complain about having to rev it out as that's just the nature of Hondas
It definitely feels a lot more lively than my B18 Aerodeck but you can blame the 'deck gearbox for that, the ratios are horrid.
Final drive is something I'll consider if the box ever has to come out again!
I'd like to OBD1 convert it to enable mapping, then fit an exhaust manifold, port the inlet, 70mm throttle body and see what power we can get out of it.
I've got a nice thick alloy rad to go on, just need to order silicone hoses and might as well get a thermostat at the same time. Not sure what I'm going to do about the crank pulley if the crank is indeed worn!
Rich is a friend of mine & literally knows everything B & H series!
The one thing I forgot to mention in the main story was that last summer, it did the dreaded ATR gearbox thing of losing reverse. It was still going into 5th okay, but absolutely wouldn't go in reverse. I'd lent it to Chloe as her Clio shat itself so she was between cars and needed to get to work, I was out of action after an operation so she borrowed it for a week. Is there anything worse than a call off the person who's borrowing your pride and joy?! Luckily she hadn't bent it, but it had lost reverse. She still got some use out of it, but had to be very careful with where she parked so she could get back out.
When I was on my feet again I was at VTEC Direct for something unrelated and Ben mentioned a gearbox he had lying around and offered to supply and fit it for not much more than the gearbox alone is worth. So obviously that got done, same day I think actually, and the old box is in my garage and will probably be rebuilt one day.
When I was on my feet again I was at VTEC Direct for something unrelated and Ben mentioned a gearbox he had lying around and offered to supply and fit it for not much more than the gearbox alone is worth. So obviously that got done, same day I think actually, and the old box is in my garage and will probably be rebuilt one day.
Stoatman said:
Nice , always good to see them getting the love they deserve .
I have owned a red one and have also had an aerodeck VTI. I also live up the road form you seemingly , as I used to spend a lot of time at Vtec direct and know Ben.
I'm in Middlewich.
Cool, I'm in Winsford. What are you driving now?I have owned a red one and have also had an aerodeck VTI. I also live up the road form you seemingly , as I used to spend a lot of time at Vtec direct and know Ben.
I'm in Middlewich.
Tango222 said:
Nice write up. Do the accord type R run the same engine as an ep3? I was looking for an ep3 to transplant into a K12 Nissan Micra but if these have the same I might get a scrapper and use it for the conversion
No, the ATRs and Preludes run the H22; the CTR EP3 runs a K20d_a_n1979 said:
Megaflow said:
No they don’t use the EP3 engine. It is an old B series Honda engine that runs backwards, making it a challenge to fit to other applications, unless you can use the gearbox as well.
The ATRs run a H22Tango222 said:
Oh right it’s the 2.2 lump from the prelude ?
Yes, the old prelude engine.I used to have a Prelude Vti Motegi edition back in the day in my late teens. I loved the engine in that car. The H22A8 was a peach of an engine. Reasonably torquey low down and proper 'Vtec just kicked in yo' shove at 5200 rpm. And also sounded the nuts at switch over.
Good work on keeping the accord alive.
Good work on keeping the accord alive.
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