MK2 fiesta fast road car.

MK2 fiesta fast road car.

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TheConverted

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155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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crofty1984 said:
TheConverted said:
The next tail of woe, building a car would be a lot easier if I new what I was doing!
Boo! Boring! Where's the adventure in that?
I get plenty of adventure. the garage is supposed to be my 'Zen' time!

lets just say its been emotional biglaugh

RS Grant

1,445 posts

234 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Great thread, love a build like this.. always fancied trying to do an original Ford Ka with a 2.0 zetec on bike carbs.. but since they have all either completely rusted away or are well on their way to rusting away that's unlikely to happen now!

(The disclaimer wasn't required by the way, the thread reads perfectly well. thumbup )

Bobberoo99

38,898 posts

99 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Agree with everyone else, reads absolutely fine, the car looks great and is exactly how i wanted to do a Mk2 Fiesta myself, never got around to doing it though, i see you must be fairly local to me, as i know Botley very well!!!

MexScort

54 posts

93 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Love the car, zetecs in old fords really do suit well in my opinion! Just with regards to the previous oil leaks, if you are using the standard zetec crankcase breather separator, then make sure you remove the internals of the PCV valve. This valve remains closed until inlet vacuum opens it, as it would do on a standard setup. I've seen a few conversions puke oil from crank seals simply because the crankcase breather was effectively closed all the time, and thus relying on just the cam cover breather! Apologies if you have already done this smile

RSTurboPaul

10,514 posts

259 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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This is awesome thumbup

I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf biggrin lol

Have you rustproofed it for Winter?

Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!

re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!

TheConverted

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2,229 posts

155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Bobberoo99 said:
Agree with everyone else, reads absolutely fine, the car looks great and is exactly how i wanted to do a Mk2 Fiesta myself, never got around to doing it though, i see you must be fairly local to me, as i know Botley very well!!!
I'm in sarisbury green, just about to move about near parkgate.

Thanks, I've been on PH long enough to know there's a few militant grammar starzi around.

TheConverted

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2,229 posts

155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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RS Grant said:
Great thread, love a build like this.. always fancied trying to do an original Ford Ka with a 2.0 zetec on bike carbs.. but since they have all either completely rusted away or are well on their way to rusting away that's unlikely to happen now!

(The disclaimer wasn't required by the way, the thread reads perfectly well. thumbup )
Now that would be a good sleeper. Mines about obvious as it's so old now.

Think the Ka is a very similar floorplan and even used some later derivatives of the Valencia crossflow my car had.

TheConverted

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2,229 posts

155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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MexScort said:
Love the car, zetecs in old fords really do suit well in my opinion! Just with regards to the previous oil leaks, if you are using the standard zetec crankcase breather separator, then make sure you remove the internals of the PCV valve. This valve remains closed until inlet vacuum opens it, as it would do on a standard setup. I've seen a few conversions puke oil from crank seals simply because the crankcase breather was effectively closed all the time, and thus relying on just the cam cover breather! Apologies if you have already done this smile
I have indeed gutted it, and had on the 1.8. both engines were/Re vent into an old catch can I had.

Interestingly after conversation with dunnell engines. He sells pcv blanks as the cam cover vent is plenty until you run boost or very high rpm. He seemed to think it was more a sign of problems.

I wish I'd made an adaptor for the comp tester now. As I'd no for sure.

TheConverted

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2,229 posts

155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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RSTurboPaul said:
This is awesome thumbup

I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf biggrin lol

Have you rustproofed it for Winter?

Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!

re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!
I haven't, however it doesn't really go out in the wet. She's about of garage queen in that respect. And it get washed asap if it does get salty. I'm about anal about it.


Ok so cost wise, I'm more than happy to list them as long as you all promise not to add them up and tell my wife, or me for that matter. nono

car £3300 (too much, but those arches make it)
1.8 engine £280 delivered
carbs £120 + £100ish to sort them out.
Manifold £220
Ecu and loom £299 -£197 = £102
replcement ECU and loom £349
ARB £80
Bushes and bolts £150
springs £55
XR2 carriers and calipers £200
wheels £300
Tyres Ns2rs £280ish ? a539s £240
NOS 2.0 engine £1995, cant rember the delivery cost.
Rs turbo clutch £80
DA engineering engine mount and alternator kit £140
exhaust manifold £250
exhaust £150 (honestly dont bother just get a custom one done)
random stuff you dont think of and fluids £500
fuel pump £70
fuel regulator £50
Xr2 gearbox £150 in delivery.

there will be stuff ive missed but that most of it.





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Edited by TheConverted on Monday 4th January 16:37

944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
Day one


Now
Hmm... I may be a little older than you, as I remember Alleycats for what they were: the cheapest nastiest alloy wheels and the first step up from Weller steel wheels.

MUCH prefer the Revolutions, which were a proper motorsport wheel, too.

TheConverted

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Monday 4th January 2021
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944 Man said:
TheConverted said:
Day one


Now
Hmm... I may be a little older than you, as I remember Alleycats for what they were: the cheapest nastiest alloy wheels and the first step up from Weller steel wheels.

MUCH prefer the Revolutions, which were a proper motorsport wheel, too.
Ha ha, there mostly all made in china now anyway.

the revs were nice but they gave me problems. And buying the knock off revs seemed abit off. As far as I'm aware 'allycats' no longer exist. I'm a little be limited on choice as the car has MK1 golf GTi arches welded in. So I need a lower offset.

Because I hate 'strectched' tyres I cant run any of the 7" wide wheels either. Well I could on the back but staggard wheels on an fwd car is just odd to me. in abit of a catch 22.


944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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I'm trying to remember what my Mk2 XR2 had: were they 6" or 51/2" x 13"s? 185/60/13 P6s, certainly. Then, I wondered about 7" Capri wheels which were sort of similar, but now Id probably be looking at copy RS wheels in a wider 13" fitting.

Mine was nippy enough with 100bhp, so it should be as lively as anything with a Zetec fitted.

TheConverted

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2,229 posts

155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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944 Man said:
I'm trying to remember what my Mk2 XR2 had: were they 6" or 51/2" x 13"s? 185/60/13 P6s, certainly. Then, I wondered about 7" Capri wheels which were sort of similar, but now Id probably be looking at copy RS wheels in a wider 13" fitting.

Mine was nippy enough with 100bhp, so it should be as lively as anything with a Zetec fitted.
thats the standard size for and XR2, im not sure on the offset but i think its quite high like most FWD cars they try to keep the center of the wheel inside the king pin. to control the torque steer. as Im running a 15 mm offset i cant actually run 185/60/13s as they rub and ill be honest they look like balloons in this day and age.

I did consider fitting a 1.6 CVH, but there starting to fetch real money. especially the more sort after ones without the lean burn heads

there are a few period wheels I was considering, however buying 30-40 year old wheels is pot luck at the best of times , Ive learned the hard way in the past.

maybe id my VW back ground but i like the BBS look of the rallye specials (allycats) as i mentioned i think om going to have them refurbed in all silver to tone them down abit.

as for being lively, i was all over the back of a C63 amg down one of my favorite twisty B roads the other day. i was surprised how little he was pulling away on the straights. in the corners I was having to back out of the throttle, and brake early. so actually had some on the table there. i do know the road well, id say he did too though.





944 Man

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133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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What does it weigh: about 880kg?

TheConverted

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Monday 4th January 2021
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944 Man said:
What does it weigh: about 880kg?
approx kerb weight is 750kg, as a pop. interestingly the alloy head and alloy mid sump on the Zetec make it around the same weight at the 949cc all iron valanica engine.

so its basically free horsepower hehe

944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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944 Man

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133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
I haven't, however it doesn't really go out in the wet. She's about of garage queen in that respect. And it get washed asap if it does get salty. I'm about anal about it.


Ok so cost wise, I'm more than happy to list them as long as you all promise not to add them up and tell my wife, or me for that matter. nono

car £3300 (too much, but those arches make it)
1.8 engine £280 delivered
carbs £120 + £100ish to sort them out.
Manifold £220
Ecu and loom £299 -£197 = £102
replcement ECU and loom £349
ARB £80
Bushes and bolts £150
springs £55
XR2 carriers and calipers £200
wheels £300
Tyres Ns2rs £280ish ? a539s £240
NOS 2.0 engine £1995, cant rember the delivery cost.
Rs turbo clutch £80
DA engineering engine mount and alternator kit £140
exhaust manifold £250
exhaust £150 (honestly dont bother just get a custom one done)
random stuff you dont think of and fluids £500
fuel pump £70
fuel regulator £50
Xr2 gearbox £150 in delivery.

there will be stuff ive missed but that most of it.
Wow! That is more than my still quite new XR2 cost.

RM10

88 posts

48 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Love it, great car which has been most definitely improved by doubling the displacement!

TheConverted

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155 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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This little nugget was posted in the owners club from 85
My car is an 86 but it will be close RRP £4276.16 including the optional rear window washer and demister.

My car has rear belts, which went a popular option. Start at the plus. Maybe that changed in 86 or they were added later.




944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Rear belts were made compulsory then.