Purchased/Looking after a 2012 Insignia - WCPGW
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I would highly suggest you have the oil pickup o-ring replaced in that, if you can't do it yourself.
It may be fine, but for the price and short amount of pain of having it done, you may save a lot of grief.
I would have preferred the 1.8, personally.
I wouldn't buy a car with the 2.0 CDTI myself, my partner's Astra had the seal start to go and I changed it (took me 2 days) but it was too late. The top end had started rattling and tapping, and then by the time I did the next oil change it started knocking from the bottom end, too.
That's aside from the DMF, EGR and DPF issues that can quite easily occur if you're not careful.
The suggestion of the 1.8 being slow annoys me.
138bhp in a car the size/weight of the Insignia is absolutely adequate.
It may be fine, but for the price and short amount of pain of having it done, you may save a lot of grief.
I would have preferred the 1.8, personally.
I wouldn't buy a car with the 2.0 CDTI myself, my partner's Astra had the seal start to go and I changed it (took me 2 days) but it was too late. The top end had started rattling and tapping, and then by the time I did the next oil change it started knocking from the bottom end, too.
That's aside from the DMF, EGR and DPF issues that can quite easily occur if you're not careful.
The suggestion of the 1.8 being slow annoys me.
138bhp in a car the size/weight of the Insignia is absolutely adequate.
As for the badge on the grill - I read a while ago that they were made originally for Opel. The Vauxhall badge was glued on afterwards and because it's so close to the radiator/engine thre glue melts quite quickly.
It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
Torquey said:
As for the badge on the grill - I read a while ago that they were made originally for Opel. The Vauxhall badge was glued on afterwards and because it's so close to the radiator/engine thre glue melts quite quickly.
It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
Take that badge off now before it falls off!! You can either stick it back on when it’s sold. Or eBay it, there’s probably a demand... thirty quid I reckon. Some of your 500 back. It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
Joking, but only slightly ;-D
Thinking about the falling-off badges, do you think Vauxhall benchmarked the Ford Mondeo and decided they needed a clown-car-quirk to match Ford’s gaffer-tape-thirsty brittle bumpers?
Torquey said:
As for the badge on the grill - I read a while ago that they were made originally for Opel. The Vauxhall badge was glued on afterwards and because it's so close to the radiator/engine thre glue melts quite quickly.
It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
If you look at the two pictured earlier in the thread you can see the Opel Blitz exposedIt's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
CarltonF said:
Torquey said:
As for the badge on the grill - I read a while ago that they were made originally for Opel. The Vauxhall badge was glued on afterwards and because it's so close to the radiator/engine thre glue melts quite quickly.
It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
Take that badge off now before it falls off!! You can either stick it back on when it’s sold. Or eBay it, there’s probably a demand... thirty quid I reckon. Some of your 500 back. It's amazing the amount of insignias without a front badge once you start looking!
Joking, but only slightly ;-D
- I agree with take it off before it falls off but my preference is to glue the bloody thing on so it doesn't fall off CarltonF said:
Thinking about the falling-off badges, do you think Vauxhall benchmarked the Ford Mondeo and decided they needed a clown-car-quirk to match Ford’s gaffer-tape-thirsty brittle bumpers?
I saw a Mondeo the other day with out any gaffa tape on the bumper 
OllieJolly said:
I would highly suggest you have the oil pickup o-ring replaced in that, if you can't do it yourself.
It may be fine, but for the price and short amount of pain of having it done, you may save a lot of grief.
Interesting - ZX10R NIN mentions clogged up oil pick up pipe belowIt may be fine, but for the price and short amount of pain of having it done, you may save a lot of grief.
ZX10R NIN said:
They're good cars they can suffer with the oil pick up pipe (long service intervals are the cause) clogging up so make sure you give it an oil flush when you buy one & cut the services to every 10k & flush every third service.
looks like the first oil change I give it will be a sump off change OllieJolly said:
I would have preferred the 1.8, personally. I wouldn't buy a car with the 2.0 CDTI myself, my partner's Astra had the seal start to go and I changed it (took me 2 days) but it was too late. The top end had started rattling and tapping, and then by the time I did the next oil change it started knocking from the bottom end, too.
That's aside from the DMF, EGR and DPF issues that can quite easily occur if you're not careful.
I would have preferred a petrol too - but lower VED and higher mpgees meant it was a "battle" I was going to lose - I will however win the "war" as the added complexity of a diesel and bork potential will win eventuallyThat's aside from the DMF, EGR and DPF issues that can quite easily occur if you're not careful.
OllieJolly said:
The suggestion of the 1.8 being slow annoys me. 138bhp in a car the size/weight of the Insignia is absolutely adequate.
Years ago (1989) I had a 1986 Carlton 1.8Li I took that from 80K miles to over 200K with just basic maintenance it had 115 bhp and you had to use the gears but it covered ground quite nicely on my 100 mile a day commute - it was never going to be a performance car but it wasn't glacial eitherIt stared me off on my 31 year journey with Senators and Carltons and I've never had a bad one (well not a bad one just a bit of a b'stard child in the case of the current one)
B'stard Child said:
Years ago (1989) I had a 1986 Carlton 1.8Li I took that from 80K miles to over 200K with just basic maintenance it had 115 bhp and you had to use the gears but it covered ground quite nicely on my 100 mile a day commute - it was never going to be a performance car but it wasn't glacial either
It stared me off on my 31 year journey with Senators and Carltons and I've never had a bad one (well not a bad one just a bit of a b'stard child in the case of the current one)
Exactly. My partner replaced her 2.0 CDTI (165bhp ish) with a 1.4 NA (99bhp), you know, the one many say is "dangerously underpowered".It stared me off on my 31 year journey with Senators and Carltons and I've never had a bad one (well not a bad one just a bit of a b'stard child in the case of the current one)
It's absolutely fine, even on the motorway. I'm sure with 4/5 adults plus luggage it'd be very sluggish even using the lower gears, but if that's the common scenario then that's not the cars fault and the turbo variants would be more suitable.
Even ignoring that, there are plenty of slower accelerating vehicles on the road.
Enjoy getting the sump off though, fingers crossed you get lucky with your gearbox and don't have to split it to remove the sump!
OllieJolly said:
Enjoy getting the sump off though, fingers crossed you get lucky with your gearbox and don't have to split it to remove the sump!
Jesus titty christ - what sort of half arsed designer thought that was an essential element of good design - I said Vauxhall haven't built a decent car since 1994 and it looks like I'm right to avoid them!!!!B'stard Child said:
Jesus titty christ - what sort of half arsed designer thought that was an essential element of good design - I said Vauxhall haven't built a decent car since 1994 and it looks like I'm right to avoid them!!!!
I wouldn't go that far, I do like the Insignia overall, it's just that particular problem that I take issue with.It was easier on the Astra as the gearbox had cutouts, but I did it over a very rainy weekend in December so I got absolutely saturated.
To give you another anecdote, my partner's brother bought an '11 plate Insignia with the 2.0 CDTI, and it had obviously been abused as a taxi, it smoked like hell, the coolant bottle was black (oil cooler failure, that's another common one) and the engine sounded awful.
I was convinced it was going to die within weeks, but that was 2019 and it lasted for at least another year. Scrapped now though, not certain what killed it in the end.
I have driven 2x of the Estates, one '12 and one facelifted '15, both manual 2.0 CDTIs and they were lovely, but I think if I did have one I'd have to have the auto, and then if I did have to do the sump removal it would, in theory, be easier.
No. Stop it. I don't want one, it's too much hassle.
OllieJolly said:
No. Stop it. I don't want one, it's too much hassle.
My internet research led me to this Belarus teardown of a A20DTH (CDTI) with subtitleshttps://youtu.be/VrZRwrENPn4
It's a bloody Italian engine
First issue with the Insipid
Not so much a FTP but a “funny” noise
Only happens when you come off the gas a low rpm - its a cross between a whoosh and a vroom
On the slam panel there is a lump with two small hoses and an electrical connection - it vibrates like heck when you come off the gas at low rpm - looks an easy change so that's one good thing
A quick google for "insignia CDTI funny noise from the engine bay got me this
https://youtu.be/BFilQ1dgIQw
That's the badger
So it seems it's a turbo wastegate solenoid and it's quite common for these engine to have it "flutter"
Not so much a FTP but a “funny” noise
Only happens when you come off the gas a low rpm - its a cross between a whoosh and a vroom
On the slam panel there is a lump with two small hoses and an electrical connection - it vibrates like heck when you come off the gas at low rpm - looks an easy change so that's one good thing
A quick google for "insignia CDTI funny noise from the engine bay got me this
https://youtu.be/BFilQ1dgIQw
That's the badger
So it seems it's a turbo wastegate solenoid and it's quite common for these engine to have it "flutter"
B'stard Child said:
Rather than start a new thread I'm going to add to this one - Back with me for "preventative maintenance"
It can stay here (unless Mods object) because it's not mine so doesn't really fit in Readers cars
Sump oil seal, service and the turbo "funny noise" valve
Can't be hard surely
The noise might be wastegate flutter, which if it turns out to be that you may find the car has been mapped.It can stay here (unless Mods object) because it's not mine so doesn't really fit in Readers cars
Sump oil seal, service and the turbo "funny noise" valve
Can't be hard surely
ACCYSTAN said:
Looked long and hard locally for a decent Insignia, gave up after many wasted trips.
My mate had a similar experience recently and ended up going for an Astra estate instead.
A good 10 year plus Insignia is a rarity.
As a long time Opel Fruit (older cars) and with it being a dag dag I’d rather set fire to it but it wasn’t my choice - the best I can do is give it a fighting chance - call it pity if you want my niece really is a car killerMy mate had a similar experience recently and ended up going for an Astra estate instead.
A good 10 year plus Insignia is a rarity.
Start with an easy job - success breeds success
This thing is buzzing it’s tits off
Removed
And swapped - quick test drive and new one is quiet as a mouse - the dag dag engine ain’t mid you
Get back and with the engine hot get it in the air and remove the whole fecking undertray - surely a hatch would have helped service times Vauxhall you muppets
Oil out now looking at the sump removal process to fit a 5p part with a £12.5 mark up - deep joy
This thing is buzzing it’s tits off
Removed
And swapped - quick test drive and new one is quiet as a mouse - the dag dag engine ain’t mid you
Get back and with the engine hot get it in the air and remove the whole fecking undertray - surely a hatch would have helped service times Vauxhall you muppets
Oil out now looking at the sump removal process to fit a 5p part with a £12.5 mark up - deep joy
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