1975 (1973) Lancia 2000 HF Coupe
Discussion
Well, why buy any classic car? I think that this car looks great, it contains interesting engineering, and it will once tinkered with be fun to drive. I am really more of a Grand Tourer person than a sports car person. I also like cars that are very rare.
I like the Beta a lot, but I cannot justify the funds or the storage space for two front wheel drive 1970s Lancias, one a mid sized cruisy GT, and the other a small GT with more buzzbox character. Although Betas are much better cars than the pub bores say they are, the Flavias/2000s are from a previous generation of Lancia and are a big step up in classiness.
For a more out and out rorty torty car I have a Fiat 124 Sport . That is more thrashy bashy RWD wahoo. If I did not have that car, the Beta would stay.
I like the Beta a lot, but I cannot justify the funds or the storage space for two front wheel drive 1970s Lancias, one a mid sized cruisy GT, and the other a small GT with more buzzbox character. Although Betas are much better cars than the pub bores say they are, the Flavias/2000s are from a previous generation of Lancia and are a big step up in classiness.
For a more out and out rorty torty car I have a Fiat 124 Sport . That is more thrashy bashy RWD wahoo. If I did not have that car, the Beta would stay.
Cheers. At present the cars has some issues, mainly with bodywork, but at least its mechanical issues are a known quantity thanks to a very through check by my mechanic. There will of course be other snags that arise - the car is almost half a century old - but it doesn't seem too bad. Parts support from club and suppliers seems pretty good.
Front end: some bits of brakes and suspension.
Very chunky subframe plus chunky rubber thing for the engine mounting visible. There are some tired bushes etc and signs that the car stood for a while in the last year or so. It seems to have been loved up to 2017 but a tad unloved since then. It's done about 1500 miles in the last three years.
LOADSA parcels arriving, mostly from Italy. Italian sellers of bits of old cars send stuff rapidly, sometimes overnight. German suppliers take weeks.
Very chunky subframe plus chunky rubber thing for the engine mounting visible. There are some tired bushes etc and signs that the car stood for a while in the last year or so. It seems to have been loved up to 2017 but a tad unloved since then. It's done about 1500 miles in the last three years.
LOADSA parcels arriving, mostly from Italy. Italian sellers of bits of old cars send stuff rapidly, sometimes overnight. German suppliers take weeks.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 21st March 15:24
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 21st March 15:30
A V6 Flavia would be an interesting sparring partner for a V6 Peugeot 504 Coupe. BUT... from memory the Busso, a fabulous thing, is quite a big engine, so fitting one in under that Pininfarina bonnet line might be a hassle, and the weight distribution might also need some thought. Prof Dr Ing Fessia had very clear ideas about weight distribution, and positioned the boxer engine according to those ideas.
FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
Breadvan72 said:
A V6 Flavia would be an interesting sparring partner for a V6 Peugeot 504 Coupe. BUT... from memory the Busso, a fabulous thing, is quite a big engine, so fitting one in under that Pininfarina bonnet line might be a hassle, and the weight distribution might also need some thought. Prof Dr Ing Fessia had very clear ideas about weight distribution, and positioned the boxer engine according to those ideas.
FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
A fair point; my later tribute to the Aurelia will have to exist only in my head. FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
Breadvan72 said:
A V6 Flavia would be an interesting sparring partner for a V6 Peugeot 504 Coupe. BUT... from memory the Busso, a fabulous thing, is quite a big engine, so fitting one in under that Pininfarina bonnet line might be a hassle, and the weight distribution might also need some thought. Prof Dr Ing Fessia had very clear ideas about weight distribution, and positioned the boxer engine according to those ideas.
FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
A fair point; my later tribute to the Aurelia will have to exist only in my head. FACTOID: The rare, LHD only, and slightly odd looking Lancia Kappa Coupe came with a Busso engine.
These articles are quite good -
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/25/1960-lancia-f...
https://driventowrite.com/2021/01/30/alec-issigoni...
Just to point out that it never had grey upholstery, that is an error in the sales invoice. It's original colour was Rosso scuro and that came with beige as the only cloth option. I don't know about the present state but I only retrimmed the door cards and my sister did the front seats, the rear seat and side panels were original. The fabric is very thin, West of England cloth and I used jaguar headlining material which was a near perfect match. The previous owner had redone the door trims in poo brown velour! Very classy. To be honest the whole car looked a bit tragic then but drove fantastically well. It has one quirk in that the chassis number exceeds the final number quoted by Lancia.........a few UK cars did apparently and according to pininfarina production stopped in 74 not 73 as Lancia normally quote. That rusty wheel OS rear arch had been repaired before I got the car, we only did a small repair to it but to be honest it always bugged me as it was never quite right, a proper repair now will be a good thing. When we did the partial rebuild we built in quite a few modifications to keep rust at bay, I'm pleased to see that it seems to have paid off, they are mostly small details but all things that help. I drenched it with waxoil and it stank of white spirit for weeks afterwards as well as dropping little waxy deposits on people's drives out of the sill drain holes.
Every time I see that badge on top of the bonnet it irritates me! It wasn't like that in my time, when I sold the car I let a lot of spares go with it including a good bonnet but as far as I recall that bonnet was off an HF so didn't have the holes for the badge. I broke at least two 2000HF so had loads of spares but I let the lot go.
Every time I see that badge on top of the bonnet it irritates me! It wasn't like that in my time, when I sold the car I let a lot of spares go with it including a good bonnet but as far as I recall that bonnet was off an HF so didn't have the holes for the badge. I broke at least two 2000HF so had loads of spares but I let the lot go.
Edited by DELTAHPE on Saturday 27th March 08:49
BV - are you still flying?
As electrification increases on the ground, I'm increasingly turning my gaze skywards.
Hopefully the day will come when I chuck in the ground transport & buy that B36TC or A36TC.
May be when I return to NZ - currently time mitigates.
I started flying when I was a school boy.
As electrification increases on the ground, I'm increasingly turning my gaze skywards.
Hopefully the day will come when I chuck in the ground transport & buy that B36TC or A36TC.
May be when I return to NZ - currently time mitigates.
I started flying when I was a school boy.
Hello DeltaHPE, I infer that you are the car's fourth owner, Many thanks for the helpful information. Your work on the car stood up well over time. The drivers' seat has just one small split in it. The current bonnet has paint cracks on it and needs a respray. I will get the badge off as soon as possible.
Penguinracer, I haven't flown as P1 for the last five years. I occasionally go for a trip in a Tiger Moth owned by a friend. I might get back into motor gliding, but am not sure I will have the time, and I spaff all my money on cars and bikes.
Penguinracer, I haven't flown as P1 for the last five years. I occasionally go for a trip in a Tiger Moth owned by a friend. I might get back into motor gliding, but am not sure I will have the time, and I spaff all my money on cars and bikes.
Breadvan72 said:
Hello DeltaHPE, I infer that you are the car's fourth owner, Many thanks for the helpful information. Your work on the car stood up well over time. The drivers' seat has just one small split in it. The current bonnet has paint cracks on it and needs a respray. I will get the badge off as soon as possible.
Penguinracer, I haven't flown as P1 for the last five years. I occasionally go for a trip in a Tiger Moth owned by a friend. I might get back into motor gliding, but am not sure I will have the time, and I spaff all my money on cars and bikes.
Yes, first owner was the Price Waterhouse guy, incidentally his Gamma coupé is still alive somewhere, who was nice enough to write back to me and get his secretary to dig out much of the history I was very pleased at the time! The second owner (whose name escapes me) was an enthusiastic LMC member who lived down South but bought all his Lancias from David Short motors in Cleethorpes. This is how the car ended up in David Shorts and was sold to the third owner who rather trashed it, I bought it kind of lashed up a bit from Shorts ran it for a while and then my late father got conned into doing the bodywork. As with anything I do my OCD and possible autism (?) Kicked in and it ended up a complete bare metal job. When it was done it looked beautiful a lot better than in recent years I think, the paint job was flat and polished and looked very very nice indeed. I used it a fair bit as a second car, fast, comfortable and elegant. Penguinracer, I haven't flown as P1 for the last five years. I occasionally go for a trip in a Tiger Moth owned by a friend. I might get back into motor gliding, but am not sure I will have the time, and I spaff all my money on cars and bikes.
Edited by DELTAHPE on Monday 29th March 00:28
I have your exchange of letters with the PWC bloke in the car's very informative file. He might still be around but if he is would probably be in his eighties.
The current paint is metallic. It is hard to tell if the car has been sprayed since you painted it in 1989. There are no records in the file from the car's ten years in Ireland but I may be able to contact the chap who had it then.
Apart from a rotted arch and the paint-cracked bonnet, there is failing filler with rust evident at the rear lower of each front wing. Elsewhere just minor blemishes. I will attend to all these ASAP. The car should be drivable by Easter if the steering idler repair kit arrives in time. New rear discs have arrived already.
The current paint is metallic. It is hard to tell if the car has been sprayed since you painted it in 1989. There are no records in the file from the car's ten years in Ireland but I may be able to contact the chap who had it then.
Apart from a rotted arch and the paint-cracked bonnet, there is failing filler with rust evident at the rear lower of each front wing. Elsewhere just minor blemishes. I will attend to all these ASAP. The car should be drivable by Easter if the steering idler repair kit arrives in time. New rear discs have arrived already.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th March 12:12
I painted it metallic as it shows off the curves better, Alan Murphy painted it again and I suspect it was done again after he sold it. There is filler on the front wings but it was over proper repairs. You will notice that we extended the inner arches and tacked then to the wings to eliminate the rust inducing rubber strip except at the top where there is also a rubber flap at the top of our construction, this was to allow me to occasionally peel it back and spray in wax. There bottom of the arch normally forms a sharp V with the sills but we squared this off so that all the road crap drains away rather than getting trapped. The sills were seam welded along the bottom seam. I remember far too much stuff!
Edited by DELTAHPE on Sunday 28th March 16:38
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