My Car *56k Warning*

[emicen]

Zoki said:

Might not be to everyone's tastes but I like it. On the brakes issue, no point at them moment since engine is pretty much standard, but eventually some ST hubs and big brakes will go on. The tires I ordered with the wheels were Toyo T1R's but the order got messed up and I recieved Fullruns instead, thier not that bad in the dry, but shockingly bad in the wet though Now I've got some Toyo's on the front.

Edited by Zoki on Tuesday 17th March 22:05

For the hassle of fitting this part and that part over, why not just buy an ST170?

How many extra bhp does having obscured headlights give?

[Zoki]

emicen said:

Zoki said:

Might not be to everyone's tastes but I like it. On the brakes issue, no point at them moment since engine is pretty much standard, but eventually some ST hubs and big brakes will go on. The tires I ordered with the wheels were Toyo T1R's but the order got messed up and I recieved Fullruns instead, thier not that bad in the dry, but shockingly bad in the wet though Now I've got some Toyo's on the front.

Edited by Zoki on Tuesday 17th March 22:05

For the hassle of fitting this part and that part over, why not just buy an ST170?

How many extra bhp does having obscured headlights give?

Maybe because ST170 cost a lot more and was too expensive to insure if I could even get insurance on it. All that for 30bhp more?

The headlights are not obscured and shine light just fine, but the "headlight eyebrow's" do not per say give you horsepower but do help improve drag which amounts to around an extra 8 bhp, I have RR print outs to prove it.

[Fidgits]

Zoki said:

Maybe because ST170 cost a lot more and was too expensive to insure if I could even get insurance on it. All that for 30bhp more?

The headlights are not obscured and shine light just fine, but the "headlight eyebrow's" do not per say give you horsepower but do help improve drag which amounts to around an extra 8 bhp, I have RR print outs to prove it.

please tell me that was said with sarcasm and absolutley no seriousness*

* because adding a layer of plastic onto the front of the car will INCREASE drag, not decrease it. And as for adding 8bhp that is so laughable it has to be a joke, as reduction of CD cannot be measured on a Rolling Road, and if they could, there is no way such a small change could equate to anywhere near that equivalent of power increase...

[Zoki]

Fidgits said:

please tell me that was said with sarcasm and absolutley no seriousness*

* because adding a layer of plastic onto the front of the car will INCREASE drag, not decrease it. And as for adding 8bhp that is so laughable it has to be a joke, as reduction of CD cannot be measured on a Rolling Road, and if they could, there is no way such a small change could equate to anywhere near that equivalent of power increase...

No I'm being utterly serious... 8 bhp

Edited by Zoki on Thursday 19th March 01:32

[emicen]

Zoki said:

emicen said:

Zoki said:

Might not be to everyone's tastes but I like it. On the brakes issue, no point at them moment since engine is pretty much standard, but eventually some ST hubs and big brakes will go on. The tires I ordered with the wheels were Toyo T1R's but the order got messed up and I recieved Fullruns instead, thier not that bad in the dry, but shockingly bad in the wet though Now I've got some Toyo's on the front.

Edited by Zoki on Tuesday 17th March 22:05

For the hassle of fitting this part and that part over, why not just buy an ST170?

How many extra bhp does having obscured headlights give?

Maybe because ST170 cost a lot more and was too expensive to insure if I could even get insurance on it. All that for 30bhp more?

The headlights are not obscured and shine light just fine, but the "headlight eyebrow's" do not per say give you horsepower but do help improve drag which amounts to around an extra 8 bhp, I have RR print outs to prove it.

30hp, 6sp box with better ratios, better suspension and ARB set up, better brakes, nicer interior.

I have nothing particular against the cooking Focus, but the ST170 is a far better car.

[Zoki]

emicen said:

30hp, 6sp box with better ratios, better suspension and ARB set up, better brakes, nicer interior.

I have nothing particular against the cooking Focus, but the ST170 is a far better car.

I'm sure the MTX-75 is better hence why the RS uses it, albeit a bit strengthened. Seeing as I have/am going to upgrade the Suspension, ARB's, brakes and I would have done anyway with the ST170 I don't see the point.

I'm not saying the ST isn't a better car, it is, but for me not worth the extra initial cash to buy it, then the extra cash to insure it, its only a couple hundred off a RS on insurance. In my eye's its not worth the extra money, plus imagine how much an ST with Mods costs to insure.

[Killer2005]

Fidgits said:

Zoki said:

Maybe because ST170 cost a lot more and was too expensive to insure if I could even get insurance on it. All that for 30bhp more?

The headlights are not obscured and shine light just fine, but the "headlight eyebrow's" do not per say give you horsepower but do help improve drag which amounts to around an extra 8 bhp, I have RR print outs to prove it.

please tell me that was said with sarcasm and absolutley no seriousness*

* because adding a layer of plastic onto the front of the car will INCREASE drag, not decrease it. And as for adding 8bhp that is so laughable it has to be a joke, as reduction of CD cannot be measured on a Rolling Road, and if they could, there is no way such a small change could equate to anywhere near that equivalent of power increase...

May I be the first........

eyebrows=bhp

[DaveL86]

KingJeff 4th said:

Fidgits said:

2nd location better than the first

Yeah its darker so you can't see it


Sorry OP, just dont like it.... bit 'chav chariot' for my liking.

I have to agree.

My first thoughts were "Damn I'd be pissed if someone stole my badge!" lol.

Secondly I have a HATE for smoked rear lights, I don't care how well they were done they will be in no way be as bright as the original factory setup and therefore are dangerous in my eyes.

[Defcon5]

If you are put off by insurance on an ST, what do you think it will be like when you strap a turbo to the front of your current one?

[petrolhead888]

just like to say, have driven many cars in my time and owned quite a few and used to have a focus 1.6/1.8 and even had a 2.0 zetec ESP 3dr and can honestly say no one can say there are just a typical family hatch, as in my opinion are up there with the legendary 205 gti for front drive handling, they really are so well set up as standard and so adjustable mid corner!!and i have driven a st170 and unless you really thrash them to within an inch of there life they dont feel any quicker than a 2.0! so he has a good point, the car may not be to my taste in mods but its a lot better than some chavvy bodykits etc!
just my thoughts after having loved every minute of driving various focuses in my time!!!!and incase you wonder about my car now...its a well set up lotus elise with R888`s

[Mr Dave]

Lose the front splitter and get a nice set of ford alloys on it and it would look really really well, would get rid of the chav look, I like the look the headlight tape gives but I think the car would look less chav without it.

Oh and dont mess about sticking a turbo on it or anything daft, spend the money on doing that and trade up to something different, it would be a waste of money really. Will cost a fortune with insurance and will never be as reliable as a factory turbo'd car.

At the end of the day for the price of the turbo being fitted and insuring it then, you could probably change it for a Fiat Coupe Turbo and insure it and get a few more bhp out of that.

[977]

You could always rip out the engine and whack it in a westfield, those brakes would be plenty big enough then.

[Scho]

taking the bait=BHP

[i remember]

Popular topgear quote = bhp

[AB]

I like the wheels, they really suit it.

However, IMO, you Focus guys just don't know when to stop. Its almost like a race to see who can bolt something else on and get the pictures up in the 'forecourt' with not much regard to what it actually looks like.

Headlight brows look rubbish, as does that cheap looking front valance. I also think the rear looks a little unfinished given the front?

I understand what you are saying about the ST170 though, there really is very little difference between that and the 2.0 in terms of performance and also agree that the Focus is a fantastic base in terms of handling.

[rsstman]

focus 2/0 130bhp, focus st170 170 bhp so thats a 40bhp difference not 30, and i am sure you would definately feel that.

personally i would put on some ford rs diamond cut wheels which are very nice as those look horrid and then change the pea shooter exhaust and meagre looking brakes and eyebrows.

but then i suppose the exhaust would be best left to be suited to the forced induction system.

they do handle well straight out of the box though.

[Zoki]

Firstly like I said before, looks are not to everyone's taste's but the beauty as they say is the eye of the beholder.

Secondly over the years I have built up some NCB's, so right now insuring even a modded 2.0 is cheaper then a ST and a turbo'd 2.0 is very similar to a ST.

Thirdly I like the way the it drives, after I fitted the coilovers the cornering is fantastic, as I'm sure a couple of from the N. London meet would testify to. I'm sure the handling will improve even more after I fit some ARB's, Bushes and maybe a strut brace.

When I went to the RR my car had 137bhp with no mods. Whereas when I went at least most the ST170's did poorly, even modded ones had hardly any gains, also I believe the difference is further decreased by figures at the wheels because as I remember mine got 108/109 at the wheels whereas most ST170's got around 137-140. Having driven both cars, I like the ST more as a all round car, but the sacrifice on cost to buy and run is too great for very little gain.

Lastly the back is not finished, I've not done anything to it at all really, other then the lights. I still not 100% what I am going to do with the car, mostly likely either try to finish what I started off or if I can get a Subaru Legacy 3.0 Spec B probably turn the Focus into a track car or something, who knows!